Wind And Solar Are Bailing Out Texas Amid Record Heat

[excalibur]

The whole argument centered around what caused massive power outages in Texas.
He's claiming it's because everyone's gas lines were freezing up.
The reason for the outages was the reliance on wind and solar power which froze during a cold snap.
The primary purpose for a drip line is to keep water from building up in a steam line heating system.
He's trying to distract from the root cause of the power outage.
What you see on your gas furnace isn't designed to get rid of large amounts of moisture. It's just a trap to keep from fouling the gas valve. You have to shut off your gas supply valve at the meter sometimes and unscrew the cap on the bottom to see if there's any crap or debris in the line. But doing so can let moisture in....so it's best to have a guy from the gas company do it properly, or have a certified service tech do it.

The feds basically forced NG lines to use green power to run the compressors that keep the lines moving the NG. The green energy failed and they had no or insufficient backup generators to keep running the compressors.

They used to use the NG to run the compressors but the feds insisted on reducing so-called greenhouse gases. Thus the situation in Texas last year.

 

[toobfreak]

Wind And Solar Are Bailing Out Texas Amid Record Heat​

Great! That is what they are good for! Now let me know when you
can completely power the entire state on nothing BUT
wind and solar plus double the capacity of
the grid to allow millions of EV
cars charging!

 

[NickM]

Ok, sounds good.

Just to your house. You know, on a trial based.

 

[mudwhistle]

Great! That is what they are good for! Now let me know when you
can completely power the entire state on nothing BUT
wind and solar plus double the capacity of
the grid to allow millions of EV
cars charging!

This is socialism....shared suffering.
They don't want anything that works......they just want to screw us while making themselves rich.

 

[San Souci]

Two things:

1. These power events are serving to drive home the fact that our power grid is not anywhere near up to the task of taking on the enormous overhead of 300 million added EV cars needing charged when it is already taxed just meeting basic energy needs.
2. Biden in his own backhanded way in starting this war with Russia has only served to defeat his own climate agenda as now nations all around the globe are realizing how energy vulnerable they really are and that they need to go A LONG way farther in shoring up their basic gas and oil supplies to keep the lights on first before they can seriously think about going any farther with windmills and solar panels as an "ideal" alternative.

Solar and Wind are going nowhere. Best bet is Nuclear and Hydroelectric power. Solution? Build more Reactors and Dams. For the long term. Now? More coal and oil. PS--There is no "Climate Change".

 

[Delldude]

Did you not read the article?

Which one?

 

[Delldude]

Did you fall down and hit your head?

There are several articles linked within this thread, Ace.

 

[Couchpotato]

There are several articles linked within this thread, Ace.

And yet I only linked one. I wonder which one I was referring to... Champ

 

[Delldude]

And yet I only linked one. I wonder which one I was referring to... Champ

Yes....so what is your point?

 

[Couchpotato]

Yes....so what is your point?

I was just wondering because the article clearly states that there were a multitude of cascading reasons for the electrical grid failure in Texas, and that the lines that did freeze were a result of those cascading reasons not the primary reason the grid failed.

 

[Delldude]

I was just wondering because the article clearly states that there were a multitude of cascading reasons for the electrical grid failure in Texas, and that the lines that did freeze were a result of those cascading reasons not the primary reason the grid failed.

I never said the freeze issue was the sole reason.

 

[Couchpotato]

I never said the freeze issue was the sole reason.

Ok I guess that wasnt you having a 4 page argument about how the lines froze and that was the reason for the grid failure. My bad.

 

[Delldude]

Ok I guess that wasnt you having a 4 page argument about how the lines froze and that was the reason for the grid failure. My bad.

Turned into an off topic venture.

Ok...your bad.

 

[flacaltenn]

And that ^^ is before they add 300M EV's to the grid to be charged.

Mostly at NIGHT when "NEWS FLASH" -- the sun aint shining.

 

[flacaltenn]

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the earth receives more than 10k times our requirements in solar energy each and every day.
1/2 of the earth is always facing the sun

Man, your blinders must be pinholes.

Your problem is BEYOND blinders. It's ignorance of generating and distributing some commodity called electricity. You might start with the issue of GETTING electricity "from the other 1/2 of the earth" or EVEN transport ON GRID for more than 1000 miles.

These platitudes just SCREAM -- I haven't done the numbers or taken the time to think. Because SOLAR depends on LATTITUDE as much or more than it depends on weather. Which puts about 1/2 of the earths surface (NOT EVEN INCLUDING THE 70% COVERED BY WATER) into the semi-useful to COMPLETELY USELESS category.

And the bigger lie is taking "energy rating" of any solar panel and ASSUMING it runs at PEAK all day long. The ACTUAL yearly production of a GREAT solar panel in a GREAT LOCATION is about 30% of what power rating you paid for. (including deratings sun angle, weather, and useful hours of the day). THe media and propagandists never TOUCH these nuances.

So many problems here that cant be fixed. Like fucking up the world's supply of RARE EARTHS to make a battery centric grid and RAPING and POISONING the planet with all the toxic battery waste just so YOU can feel good about tossing a hissy fit about "alternatives" that aren't REALLY alternatives. They are merely supplements.

SERIOUSLY? A lead acid battery? Maybe for a cabin off grid. Aint anywhere NEAR a grid scale solution. Have you gotten the message that they only last (for grid scale operations) between 12 and 15 years? You'd need the batteries of over a 1000 Tesla mid-range cars to power 10,000 homes for 20 minutes. Much MORE if there is a single supermarket or other commercial bldg present.

 

[toobfreak]

Best bet is Nuclear and Hydroelectric power. Solution? Build more Reactors and Dams.

The problem with hydroelectric is that all the best places seem to be drying up! And the problem with damns is that they generally often cause side-issues like blocking migrating salmon. I'm not a power plant expert but understand enough about fission and the past accidents like Chernobyl and Three Mile Island to think that at this point, we can learn from our mistakes and build fail-safe reactors whose backup make it impossible to melt down and don't put all of the wiring for the back up systems in the same wiring tunnel as the primary systems just burned out by the fire.

 

[miketx]

Texas has a huge wind farm near Abilene. The propellers stretch to the horizon.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Texans are cranking on the air conditioning this week amid an unusually early heat wave, setting new records for electricity demand in the state, which surpassed 75 gigawatts on Sunday and smashed the 2019 record. Texas grid operator ERCOT projects it could approach that peak again on Tuesday.
But unlike previous extreme weather events in Texas which led to deadly blackouts, the grid is holding up remarkably well this week. Several experts told CNN that it's owed in large part to strong performances from wind and solar, which generated 27 gigawatts of electricity during Sunday's peak demand -- close to 40% of the total needed.

"Texas is, by rhetoric, anti-renewables. But frankly, renewables are bailing us out," said Michael Webber, an energy expert and professor at the University of Texas at Austin. "They're rocking. That really spares us a lot of heartache and a lot of money."
Despite the Texas Republican rhetoric that wind and solar are unreliable, Texas has a massive and growing fleet of renewables. Zero-carbon electricity sources (wind, solar, and nuclear) powered about 38% of the state's power in 2021, rivaling natural gas at 42%.

Wind and solar power are 'bailing out' Texas amid record heat and energy demand | CNN

Energy experts told CNN the Texas electric grid is holding up well this week in large part to strong performances from renewable energy.

www.cnn.com

Guess which state is the largest wind producer?

CNN


Lol

 

[flacaltenn]

Texas has a huge wind farm near Abilene. The propellers stretch to the horizon.

And so do the generous subsidies that created them.
Not much market for an energy product that you cannot SCHEDULE and deliver on time. BUT -- if the govt FORCES the grid operators to take "renewables" first -- and PAY you to build out those commodities, it's an irresistable, low risk investment.

 

[Leo123]

Considering all of the fraud coming from our corrupt media I wouldn't spend alot of time listening to them.

Drip legs are installed on Steam lines....not gas lines.
You do know the difference between a steam line and a gas line, right?

Steam heating systems need drip legs to remove condensate so that instead of hot water you get hot steam going thru the pipes. Steam heating systems work with a boiler....not a furnace. Furnaces have heat exchangers that are heated by gas burners. The supply air is blown over the heat exchanger which is heated by a flame burner and the exhaust is drawn out using an inducer fan motor pushing the toxic fums out of the stack.
We used to have steam heating systems at Ft Campbell, but they switched everything to hot water heating.....and we've had alot of freezing and corrosion because of it.

Where I live there are communities dependent on logging. Logging companies used to build housing with central steam heating. Up here, cooling was not a requirement.