Will there be a Harris/trump debate?

[frigidweirdo]

With all due respect, Frigid? Agreeing to spend 2% of their GDP on defense doesn't mean they DID spend 2% on defense! That was the reason Trump called them out on their NATO spending...they hadn't been living up to the commitment that they'd made. They were letting us spend billions to protect them.

No, nothing means anything. The same for Trump. Trump shouts his mouth off, doesn't mean anyone listened.

So you've just destroyed your own argument.

The FACT that they said they'd increase it in 10 years, before Trump got in, and after 10 years, 23 NATO countries hit that target... a coincidence? Probably not.

But it's a hell of a better argument than "Trump got angry, and then all the NATO members shat themselves and started pumping money into their military"
Maybe 23 wouldn't have hit that target in 2024 without a kick up the ass. But that kick up the ass was not Trump. It was Putin.

Why did they decide in 2014?

Obama urges NATO to increase defence spending

US president says European NATO members should "chip in" for a credible deterrent force because "freedom isn't free".

www.aljazeera.com

"Obama urges NATO to increase defence spending"

26 Mar 2014

The annexation of the Crimea happened on the 18th March 2014.

So, Obama's saying this because of what Russia did.

Then Russia invades the Ukraine in 2022 and defense spending then increases within two years.

As opposed to Trump who shouted his mouth of a bit and didn't see results.

A closer look at Trump's years of criticizing NATO, particularly on defense spending

Trump has long been critical of NATO, the post-World War II alliance between the U.S. and many European countries, particularly over defense spending

abcnews.go.com

2016 before he was president he made some comments and in 2017 he did the same. Then he attacked Germany in 2019.

https://www.nato.int/nato_static_fl2014/assets/pdf/2024/6/pdf/240617-def-exp-2024-en.pdf

Germany spent 34 billion euros in 2014, added 1.1 billion the next year, 1.7 billion the year after when Trump first made his comments.

Are we suggesting Germany increased its budget two years in a row because they knew Trump would criticize NATO two years later?

By 2019 Germany was spending 46 billion, that's 13 billion more than it was spending in 2014.

In 2020 it added added another 4 billion, because of Trump? Doubtful, defense spending doesn't just increase the next year, you need to plan for this way in advance. Then because of the coronavirus spending increases weren't so high.

Then in 2024.... they spend an extra 23 billion. Why? Probably because they're sending money to the Ukraine. That's what a lot of this is. You send equipment to the Ukraine and money as defense spending, it appears.

Does it mean their defense is better? No, it doesn't.

 

[Lesh]

The recession ended in June 2009, before he could do anything to end it.

His slowest recovery in history was awesome!!!

Wait. Slowest recovery in history but over in months

You’re an idiot

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Wait. Slowest recovery in history but over in months

You’re an idiot

After the recession ended in June 2009, you moron, his slowest recovery in history was historically slow.

 

[Lesh]

After the recession ended in June 2009, you moron, his slowest recovery in history was historically slow.

The Recovery from that Republican Recessiom was slowed by Republican foot dragging.

Shut downs, sequestration, whatever they could do… country be damned

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The Recovery from that Republican Recessiom was slowed by Republican foot dragging.

Shut downs, sequestration, whatever they could do… country be damned

I'm sorry that Obama's weak performance still makes you cry.

 

[Lesh]

I'm sorry that Obama's weak performance still makes you cry.

I’m not crying jaxkass. Just pointing out the facts

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I’m not crying jaxkass. Just pointing out the facts

His performance was weak, fact.

 

[Lesh]

His performance was weak, fact.

He got us through that Republican Recession in spite of Republican foot dragging so…


Yeah


Your opinion is bullshit

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

He got us through that Republican Recession in spite of Republican foot dragging so…


Yeah


Your opinion is bullshit

Yes, very weak recovery.

 

[Dante]

Yes, very weak recovery.

Trump promised to debate Harris before he said he would not.

More bs Promises kept?
LOL

 

[Dante]

Trump had a debate on CNN.

Now he gets a "home" game, which will be very fair, as the CNN debate was.

Trump is back to whining as a campaign strategy.

 

[kyzr]

Kind of funny really. Everyone knows that Trump has a ego the size of the universe. This comment was almost certainly designed to massage Trump's ego, more than anything else.

You post one comment from the Secretary General and you ignore all the other facts. It's a typical Trump supporter view on things.

If it's convenient for my argument, here it is. If it's not, then we'll ignore it.

Trump started attacking NATO in 2016. Two years after they agreed to increase spending within 10 years. Your article is from 2019.

In 2014 there were three countries who met the 2% of GDP for defense spending.

In 2016 when Trump said his comments there were 5 countries. That dropped to 4 the next year, rose to 6 the year after. By 2020 it had reached 9. You could say Trump had an impact, or you could say countries had decided in 2014 to increase defense spending year on year and it reached that point by 2020. But then Trump disappeared. By 2023 it had risen to 10 countries and 2024 to 23 countries.
Funny how the biggest rise happened 10 years after they agreed to increase spending to 2% after 10 years.

I think that says it all really. Trump blows his trumpet and makes comments he knows nothing about. Probably didn't even know NATO members had already agreed, or he found out and then decided to make it his own thing. An easy win when your supporters are ignorant as hell.

The increase happens in spite of what he says, he takes the glory, because that's what Trump does. He's the sort of guy who will take credit when he's done NOTHING.

Look at Syria. Trump declared victory over ISIS, but the US hardly did anything.

"We have defeated ISIS in Syria, my only reason for being there during the Trump Presidency."

But the Russians outspent, out bombed, out fought the US 10-1 at the very least. The US barely had troops in Syria

"The number of troops has grown gradually. Although the official limit on U.S. troops has remained at 503 since shortly before President Barack Obama left office, the actual number is now believed to be more than 1,500, including special forces, a Marine artillery unit, forward air controllers and others."

You don't win a war with 1,500 troops.

"Turnout figures in voting from abroad in the September 2016 parliamentary election indicated the number of Russian military personnel in Syria at the time was about 4,300. The Russian presence has likely increased, as Moscow this year deployed its military police to patrol so-called “de-escalation zones” in Syria." Russia had way more, and Wagner might have been in there too.

ISIS expanded under Obama.
Trump destroyed ISIS. Simple factoids.
Trump used Kurds and others as ground troops with US airpower.

The true story of the brutal four-hour battle between Russian mercenaries and US commandos in Syria

Up to 300 Russian and Syrian fighters killed in the attack

www.independent.co.uk

The truth about the brutal four-hour battle between Russian mercenaries and US commandos in Syria​

 

[kyzr]

Trump promised to debate Harris before he said he would not.

More bs Promises kept?

Trump agreed to debate Biden, duh.

 

[frigidweirdo]

ISIS expanded under Obama.
Trump destroyed ISIS. Simple factoids.
Trump used Kurds and others as ground troops with US airpower.

The true story of the brutal four-hour battle between Russian mercenaries and US commandos in Syria

Up to 300 Russian and Syrian fighters killed in the attack

www.independent.co.uk

The truth about the brutal four-hour battle between Russian mercenaries and US commandos in Syria​

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Your "facts" smell the same as a cow's ass. They're not facts at all.

But then what do we expect from people who have been told numerous times by Trump that they're stupid, and they continue to support him? Beyond belief.

 

[Redfish]

Correct. That's why you can't name any policies. Trump the derelict moron doesn't know anything about any of this.

policies that helped average americans

secure border
low inflation
low unemployment rates, especially for minorities and women
energy independence, affordable energy prices
no new wars anywhere in the world
NATO members paying their fair share for the fist time ever
eliminated terrorists
consumer confidence at record highs
USA respected in the world
strong military
respect for police and rule of law

 

[Redfish]

Your "facts" smell the same as a cow's ass. They're not facts at all.

But then what do we expect from people who have been told numerous times by Trump that they're stupid, and they continue to support him? Beyond belief.

kamala just announced that all kids 18-24 are stupid. The youth vote belongs to Trump

 

[Foolardi]

Not at all relevant.
I don't recall her ever raping anyone....so she's STILL got some moral superiority on convicted felon Trump.

Name who in yer stupified mental state Donald Trump EVER
Raped ? In the hardened E.Jean Carrol verdict it was found
only through use in a Bogus Case in a Predominently Radical
Democrat voting district by a nutty as they get Judge
and Jury that Trump was found Guilty of SEXUAL ABUSE
Not ... Rape.Also " Defamed " her.
Ya blithering definable Moron.

 

[Foolardi]

kamala just announced that all kids 18-24 are stupid. The youth vote belongs to Trump

I guess when one is unable to escape the clutches of exasperated
juvenile behavior like Harris and her ever constant cackling
laugh ... One should expect such inherently ridiculous comments.
Or was that intended to be some nouveau social commentary.
Either way ... Harris is unqualified to be considered fit to
explain most anything Americana.Californians knew.
When running for President in the California primary she
got around 2-3 % of the vote and No delegates.
The only Californian running who did worse was extreme
asshole Eric Swalwell who garnered O.? %.

 

[MagicMike]

only through use in a Bogus Case in a Predominently Radical
Democrat voting district by a nutty as they get Judge
and Jury that Trump was found Guilty of SEXUAL ABUSE

Your clueless opinion is noted. It doesn't mean anything...but noted.
Your FEELINGS on this don't matter.
This is all that matters:

“As the court explained in its recent decision denying Mr Trump’s motion for a new trial on damages and other relief [in the New York case] … based on all of the evidence at trial and the jury’s verdict as a whole, the jury’s finding that Mr Trump ‘sexually abused’ Ms Carroll implicitly determined that he forcibly penetrated her digitally – in other words, that Mr Trump in fact did ‘rape’ Ms Carroll as that term commonly is used and understood in contexts outside of the New York penal law.”

Judge says E Jean Carroll allegation Trump raped her is ‘substantially true’ in court dismissal

Ex-president claimed that writer defamed him when saying he raped her, but judge said term is commonly ‘used and understood’ in context

www.theguardian.com

 

[Foolardi]

Your clueless opinion is noted. It doesn't mean anything...but noted.
Your FEELINGS on this don't matter.
This is all that matters:

“As the court explained in its recent decision denying Mr Trump’s motion for a new trial on damages and other relief [in the New York case] … based on all of the evidence at trial and the jury’s verdict as a whole, the jury’s finding that Mr Trump ‘sexually abused’ Ms Carroll implicitly determined that he forcibly penetrated her digitally – in other words, that Mr Trump in fact did ‘rape’ Ms Carroll as that term commonly is used and understood in contexts outside of the New York penal law.”

Judge says E Jean Carroll allegation Trump raped her is ‘substantially true’ in court dismissal

Ex-president claimed that writer defamed him when saying he raped her, but judge said term is commonly ‘used and understood’ in context

www.theguardian.com

Check out the flight away from N.Y.city that has evolved
since Biden took office.And then the near hysterical move
out of New York state.Because New York City is run by
incompetent dickheads of the Democrat persuation.
Even Lapdog Big Apple patrons who are life affirming
lovers of Manhattan are reconsidering living in the once
prestigious Big Apple.
Because Democrats think it cute to work,live and
ply their politics in N.Y.city.
To their chagrin.Nothing in live is for certain.
Especially neighborhoods.Especially now.
I mean when you get lover of New York { Long Island }
like Sean Hannity who decided just this year and pack up and flee
the now cesspool known as N.Y.city for Florida ... that says it all.
I doubt Bill O'Reilly { also a lover of Long Island } will do the
same but nothing is certain in life except :
Democrats Suck Big Time.Take it to the bank.