First of all, I read through this entire thread (yes all 7 pages, took me half an hour) and I can't believe not a single person mentioned the fact that Hillary actually has the popular vote. (sorry it won't let me link yet)
realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html]RealClearPolitics
The only reason Obama has stated that he has the popular vote is because he is ignoring Michigan. If he wants to ignore Michigan in regards to popular vote then he should also ignore Michigan's delgates.
As for someone stating that "mature voters" would not vote for McCain (I cannot remember where it was stated and I don't want to go through all seven pages again), I can tell you right now that my husband and I will vote for McCain if it comes down to Obama or McCain. My husband and I are extreme Democrats. He is a Union Sheet Metal Worker out of Chicago and we have two teenage sons. If we are not considered "mature voters" then who is. Our reasoning on this is simple. Obama is new to the political system. Obama has gotten so used to his upper class lifestyle that he has forgotten what it is really like to be middle class. And yes, race does have something to do with it. My sons are middle class white males. Unless they make the honor roll and get a 4.0 GPA they have a lower chance of getting into a good college than a C average black male or even a C average middle class white female (so it's not entirely race, it's also gender). There is no chance in hell that a black president is going to change these standars. Now granted there is a very slim chance that a white female president would change them either, but she has already stated that it's no longer girls who need more support in schools but boys. Another reason we support Hillary over Obama is their universal healthcare plans. Hillary's plan would cover my children no matter what. As it stands now, unless my sons join a union or get government jobs, the likelyhood of them receiving affordable and good healthcare is very slim. Under Obama's plan, that likelyhood would increase somewhat, but most likely not enough.
nytimes.com/2008/02/04/opinion/04krugman.html
As for all this racist crap, I am so sick of hearing people complain about this. White people and black people have become equally racist. Males and females are both gender biased. My husband was sent to a different jobsite one day to pick something up. The jobsite was not an affirmative action jobsite, it was a standard one. There were 2 black women, 1 hispanic woman and 1 black man working there. One of the black women saw my husband carrying his pickup and rudely asked if he was working the jobsite. She had her phone in her hand. When my husband asked why, she stated that if he was working the jobsite she was going to call the employer and complain saying they were not complying with affirmative action rules. I visited a friend who lives in an all white neighborhood and when a black man in a suit walked down the street all her neighbors went into their houses and locked their doors. Out of the 2500 members of my husband's Union Local, every single one that is currently unemployed is a white male. The door swings both ways people. We have tried to do so much to make up for the fact that we had slavery legal in this country that we have ostrasized whites. We have done so much to make up for the fact that girls weren't given proper educations that we have discouraged boys from learning. When will we find a balance?
To all of you who have your selfish reasons for supporting one person or another, think about this. Who is better for your children, for your grandchildren? Screw the country itself, it's already circling the drain. Screw the war, no one really knows when it will end, no matter who is elected. Think about the people who aren't old enough to vote yet. Your nieces and nephews, your friend's kids, your neighbors' kids, all those little ones running around free now that school's out. Because if we don't think about them now, by the time they're our age, there might not be anything worth fighting for anymore.
