Wikileaks reveals WMDs

[JakeStarkey]

I am sure that early on I said that, and then later, when small labs or whatever, I have said that the Iraqi programs had been generally ended. I am sure you said, "The Syrians have it. Invade Syria to find out." This issue is a non-issue. Bush himself has said that if he had flatly known that the WMDs were not there,he would not have invaded.

You are not a conservative, that's for sure, only a stupid reactionary, while I am a GOP moderate conservative. So two words for you: buh bye.

i'd like to see a source for that

Me too. I recall him saying very much the opposite.

I thought it was Bush that I remembered saying it; however, check

Rove: We Wouldn't Have Invaded Iraq if We Knew the Truth About ...Earlier this week, Karl Rove said that President Bush would not have invaded Iraq if he knew there were no WMD. In today's press briefing, Helen Thomas ...
www.allvoices.com/...wouldnt-have-invaded-iraq-if...wmds/blogs

 

[L.K.Eder]

Chemical weapons are not WMDs.

Yeah I know that people call them WMDs but they're really not.

They're tactical weapons at best.

Actually..most of the bio agents and chemical weapons they found were very old and might have well been forgotten by the Saddam Hussien's regime. They were basically pretty harmless.

Unfortunately, the claim of harmless doesn't jibe with the chemistry of organophosphates.

compared to mushroom clouds, yeah the claim "pretty harmless" does very much jibe. but continue to miss the point, as usual.

 

[Sallow]

Chemical weapons are not WMDs.

Yeah I know that people call them WMDs but they're really not.

They're tactical weapons at best.

Actually..most of the bio agents and chemical weapons they found were very old and might have well been forgotten by the Saddam Hussien's regime. They were basically pretty harmless.

Unfortunately, the claim of harmless doesn't jibe with the chemistry of organophosphates.

"Jibe" or not..they were definitely not weapons grade and really had no strategic or tactical value.

 

[Si modo]

Actually..most of the bio agents and chemical weapons they found were very old and might have well been forgotten by the Saddam Hussien's regime. They were basically pretty harmless.

Unfortunately, the claim of harmless doesn't jibe with the chemistry of organophosphates.

"Jibe" or not..they were definitely not weapons grade and really had no strategic or tactical value.

When it comes to organophosphates, weapons grade is largely irrelevant in their ability to kill.

 

[edthecynic]

Exactly, and I pointed that out in an earlier post where, after being told by the CIA that there were no WMD, Bush had a letter fabricated to have an excuse to invade Iraq.

While I think Bush lied in the SOTU, it was one of the "pushing the envelope" lies you could sort of back out of by saying the intel came from the brits. And given that the administration could have "snowflaked" a WMD..and didn't..I highly doubt Bush had a letter fabricated. There are plenty of con artist types around the world that would be more then happy to fabricate a letter to make a buck. Think Nigerian scams for cash. What did happen, in all likelyhood, is that they got one of these letters and held it up as valid.

Read this:

Author: Bush knew Iraq had no WMD - TODAY People - TODAYshow.com

By Bob Considine
TODAYshow.com contributor TODAYshow.com contributor
updated 8/5/2008 919 AM ET

President Bush committed an impeachable offense by ordering the CIA to to manufacture a false pretense for the Iraq war in the form of a backdated, handwritten document linking Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda, an explosive new book claims.
The charge is made in “The Way of the World: A Story of Truth and Hope in an Age of Extremism” by Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Ron Suskind, released today.
Suskind says he spoke on the record with U.S. intelligence officials who stated that Bush was informed unequivocally in January 2003 that Saddam had no weapons of mass destruction. Nonetheless, his book relates, Bush decided to invade Iraq three months later — with the forged letter from the head of Iraqi intelligence to Saddam bolstering the U.S. rationale to go into war.




Prelude to war
Suskind reports that the head of Iraqi intelligence, Tahir Jalil Habbush, met secretly with British intelligence in Jordan in the early days of 2003. In weekly meetings with Michael Shipster, the British director of Iraqi operations, Habbush conveyed that Iraq had no active nuclear, chemical or biological weapons programs and no stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction.
When Tenet was informed of the findings in early February, he said, “They’re not going to like this downtown,” Suskind wrote, meaning the White House. Suskind says that Bush’s reaction to the report was: “Why don’t they ask him to give us something we can use to help make our case?”
Suskind quotes Rob Richer, the CIA’s Near East division head, as saying that the White House simply ignored the Habbush report and informed British intelligence that they no longer wanted Habbush as an informant.
“Bush wanted to go to war in Iraq from the very first days he was in office. Nothing was going to stop that,” Richer is quoted in the book.
Suskind also writes that Habbush was “resettled” in Jordan with help from the CIA and was paid $5 million in hush money.




The letter
On page 371 of “The Way of the World,” Suskind describes the White House’s concoction of a forged letter purportedly from the hand of Habbush to Saddam Hussein to justify the United States’ decision to go to war.
Suskind writes: “The White House had concocted a fake letter from Habbush to Saddam, backdated to July 1, 2001. It said that 9/11 ringleader Mohammed Atta had actually trained for his mission in Iraq — thus showing, finally, that there was an operation link between Saddam and al-Qaeda, something the Vice President's office had been pressing CIA to prove since 9/11 as a justification to invade.”
He continues: “A handwritten letter, with Habbush's name on it, would be fashioned by CIA and then hand-carried by a CIA agent to Baghdad for dissemination.”
CIA officers Richer and John Maguire, who oversaw the Iraq Operations Group, are both on the record in Suskind’s book confirming the existence of the fake Habbush letter.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Personally, I would not have made Iraq the next stop in the war after Afghanistan, but I'm absolutely certain I do not have, and never will have, all the facts.

That said, many Dems consider the Tea Party a WMD

 

[L.K.Eder]

Personally, I would not have made Iraq the next stop in the war after Afghanistan, but I'm absolutely certain I do not have, and never will have, all the facts.

That said, many Dems consider the Tea Party a WMD

a whiny moron distraction

 

[American Horse]

Yep, a real WMD capability there.

Of course there were WMDs. The man used them. He only needed a delivery system however crude (... connect the dots ... ) and willig religious zealots to make them dangerous even to us.

 

[britishbulldog]

It must be so... if it wasn't so, they wouldn't keep on showing stupid films of Americans killing Muslim terrorists. I strongly believe that the owners of Wikileaks should be rounded up and be given a CIA accident!!!

The main reason that I hate wikileaks is cos they are anti-Israel... and I am Jewish.

 

[britishbulldog]

Good thread. I knew all along that Iraq had WMDs, cos they are the sort of people to have em.

My Indian friend reckons that Pakistan has WMDs, so we should nuke Pakistan.

Personally, I think we should nuke India too, cos they also have WMDs and are taking our jobs.

 

[uscitizen]

Have wikileaks been accurate?

 

[blu]

Have wikileaks been accurate?

ignore trolls

 

[California Girl]

Have wikileaks been accurate?

ignore trolls

Who's lost a sock recently?

 

[Si modo]

Good thread. I knew all along that Iraq had WMDs, cos they are the sort of people to have em.

My Indian friend reckons that Pakistan has WMDs, so we should nuke Pakistan.

Personally, I think we should nuke India too, cos they also have WMDs and are taking our jobs.

Your friend reckons that Pakistan has WMDs, eh? I guess s/he got that info from those well-known insider sources such as the Washington Post, NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, etc. That's some resourceful pal you have there, dude.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Yep, a real WMD capability there.

Of course there were WMDs. The man used them. He only needed a delivery system however crude (... connect the dots ... ) and willig religious zealots to make them dangerous even to us.

Yep, a real capability there for SH. Study history, Horse.

 

[Si modo]

Yep, a real WMD capability there.

Of course there were WMDs. The man used them. He only needed a delivery system however crude (... connect the dots ... ) and willig religious zealots to make them dangerous even to us.

Yep, a real capability there for SH. Study history, Horse.

 

[American Horse]

Of course there were WMDs. The man used them. He only needed a delivery system however crude (... connect the dots ... ) and willig religious zealots to make them dangerous even to us.

Yep, a real capability there for SH. Study history, Horse.

Jake, I will let history speak for me:

Bill Clinton: 2-17-98:
“…Let there be no doubt we are prepared to act; But Saddam Hussein could end this crisis tomorrow, simply by letting the weapons inspectors finish their mission. He made a solemn commitment to the international community to do that, and to give up his weapons of mass destruction a long time ago now. One way or the other, we are determined to see that he makes good on his own promise…”

..... pray for us sinners, now, and in the hour of our death

 

[JakeStarkey]

And you have shown no reason for an invasion of Iraq, Horse: none.

 

[DiveCon]

And you have shown no reason for an invasion of Iraq, Horse: none.

just because you were ignorant and thought WMD was the only reason, doesn't mean the rest of us are as ignorant as you

 

[Gunny]

Gotta love Wikileaks.

By late 2003, even the Bush White House’s staunchest defenders were starting to give up on the idea that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. But for years afterward, WikiLeaks’ newly-released Iraq war documents reveal, U.S. troops continued to find chemical weapons labs, encounter insurgent specialists in toxins, and uncover weapons of mass destruction.
An initial glance at the WikiLeaks war logs doesn’t reveal evidence of some massive WMD program by the Saddam Hussein regime — the Bush administration’s most (in)famous rationale for invading Iraq. But chemical weapons, especially, did not vanish from the Iraqi battlefield. Remnants of Saddam’s toxic arsenal, largely destroyed after the Gulf War, remained. Jihadists, insurgents and foreign (possibly Iranian) agitators turned to these stockpiles during the Iraq conflict — and may have brewed up their own deadly agents.
In August 2004, for instance, American forces surreptitiously purchased what they believed to be containers of liquid sulfur mustard, a toxic “blister agent” used as a chemical weapon since World War I. The troops tested the liquid, and “reported two positive results for blister.” The chemical was then “triple-sealed and transported to a secure site” outside their base.
Three months later, in northern Iraq, U.S. scouts went to look in on a “chemical weapons” complex. “One of the bunkers has been tampered with,” they write. “The integrity of the seal [around the complex] appears intact, but it seems someone is interesting in trying to get into the bunkers.”

Meanwhile, the second battle of Fallujah was raging in Anbar province. In the southeastern corner of the city, American forces came across a “house with a chemical lab … substances found are similar to ones (in lesser quantities located a previous chemical lab.” The following day, there’s a call in another part of the city for explosive experts to dispose of a “chemical cache.”
Nearly three years later, American troops were still finding WMD in the region. An armored Buffalo vehicle unearthed a cache of artillery shells “that was covered by sacks and leaves under an Iraqi Community Watch checkpoint. “The 155mm rounds are filled with an unknown liquid, and several of which are leaking a black tar-like substance.” Initial tests were inconclusive. But later, “the rounds tested positive for mustard.”

WikiLeaks Show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq – With Surprising Results | Danger Room | Wired.com

Myabe Bush did lie to us after all, if you call keeping evidence that will exonerate him lying.

Gotta love lefties who will post wiki and polls when it suits them; otherwise, if they back the right you just lie your ass off about them.