CDZ Why?

[oldsoul]

Seems like a pretty basic and simple question, right? So, when did we, as a society, stop asking such a basic question? Think this isn't a problem? Answer this: "when was the last time you asked "why" when considering your position on a given topic?"
More to the point, why did we stop asking why? I suddenly have an tongue-in-check answer... When Bud Dry pulled the ad campaign, "Why ask why? Drink Bud Dry." I know that's not the real answer, but thought is was funny, so I had to add it.
But, seriously, when and why did we stoop asking ourselves and each other "Why?"

What, When, How, Where, ......do not prove a motive. The question of "why" is what reveals - uncovers - proves ---> motive. Motive is the evidence lawyers must have in a court room. Without it, it's merely speculation...... imo.

Good point, however, I was referring to a broader scope of discussion. Such as:

• Why are guns good or bad?
• Why are public schools better than private, or the reverse?
• Why do people believe what they believe?
• Why are some people liberal, and some conservative?
• Why do you do the work you do?
• Why do you live where you live?

Etc., etc.

 

[AnCap'n_Murica]

What, When, How, Where, ......do not prove a motive. The question of "why" is what reveals - uncovers - proves ---> motive. Motive is the evidence lawyers must have in a court room. Without it, it's merely speculation...... imo.

What, where, when, and how set the scene, so that why can become irrelevant.

 

[oldsoul]

All of which could be lied about as well. What is your point?

Not at all.

How did you go about drawing that conclusion?
Where did you hear that?
Who told you that?
When did you make that decision?
What information did you see to believe that?

All of those questions lead to more or less concrete points in time or sources. "Why" lacks the specificity that leads people to just make shit up.

Again, I could lie to you about each and every one of your questions, and you would have a difficult time proving me wrong. And again, what is your point?

 

[oldsoul]

What, When, How, Where, ......do not prove a motive. The question of "why" is what reveals - uncovers - proves ---> motive. Motive is the evidence lawyers must have in a court room. Without it, it's merely speculation...... imo.

What, when, when, and how set the scene, so that why can become irrelevant.

Are you suggesting that why you believe something is irrelevant?

 

[AnCap'n_Murica]

I'm saying the other questions generally gather more reliable, specific, and verifiable information.

 

[oldsoul]

I'm saying the other questions generally gather more reliable, specific, and verifiable information.

Yes, but they do nothing to finding a solution, and isn't that what we need more of? Solutions, not just what happened, but why, and most importantly, what can be done about it? As I see it, there is no other path to progress, or solutions to issues/problems. If you know of another, I would like to hear about it.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

Seems like a pretty basic and simple question, right? So, when did we, as a society, stop asking such a basic question? Think this isn't a problem? Answer this: "when was the last time you asked "why" when considering your position on a given topic?"
More to the point, why did we stop asking why? I suddenly have an tongue-in-check answer... When Bud Dry pulled the ad campaign, "Why ask why? Drink Bud Dry." I know that's not the real answer, but thought is was funny, so I had to add it.
But, seriously, when and why did we stoop asking ourselves and each other "Why?"

Because most of society does not care what the opinion of another person has and when someone ask why then it mean you have to explain your reasoning and not many want to do that.

So why do you ask why people no longer ask why?

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

I'm saying the other questions generally gather more reliable, specific, and verifiable information.

I strongly disagree with you.

 

[oldsoul]

Well, I leave it to the members to have a spirited and civil discussion over the weekend. I will see you all next week.

 

[AnCap'n_Murica]

I'm saying the other questions generally gather more reliable, specific, and verifiable information.

Yes, but they do nothing to finding a solution, and isn't that what we need more of? Solutions, not just what happened, but why, and most importantly, what can be done about it? As I see it, there is no other path to progress, or solutions to issues/problems. If you know of another, I would like to hear about it.

You want a solution, you need to know what information and mindsets you need to unwind. Why won't get you there.

 

[oldsoul]

Seems like a pretty basic and simple question, right? So, when did we, as a society, stop asking such a basic question? Think this isn't a problem? Answer this: "when was the last time you asked "why" when considering your position on a given topic?"
More to the point, why did we stop asking why? I suddenly have an tongue-in-check answer... When Bud Dry pulled the ad campaign, "Why ask why? Drink Bud Dry." I know that's not the real answer, but thought is was funny, so I had to add it.
But, seriously, when and why did we stoop asking ourselves and each other "Why?"

Because most of society does not care what the opinion of another person has and when someone ask why then it mean you have to explain your reasoning and not many want to do that.

So why do you ask why people no longer ask why?

Because it gets to the root of issues/problems, and helps us to find solutions.

 

[320 Years of History]

You tell me. What response do you get most often when you ask folks "why?" Maybe the folks you know and of whom you ask that question are very different from the ones I know, but the most common response to the "why" inquiry is, "I don't know," followed by some sort of speculation.

Now what does that tell me? It tells me that a lot of folks do stuff and have no idea of why they did it; sometimes they have no clue of how they did it. "I don't know how I did it, but I just did." From that, I infer that that there are a lot of folks who are "lemmings," folks just kinda on "autopilot." Folks for whom so long as the ground doesn't rise up to greet their "plane," they're gonna just "go with the flow."

MInd you, these are often the very same folks who are griping about "the death of the middle class," and "exported" jobs, and all sorts of other "stuff" that wouldn't be their reality were they to have taken control of their lives and put some deliberacy and sagacity into their major choices and courses of action. But that's not what they did 10 or 20 years ago, but it's "everyone else's" fault -- liberals, socialists, "the elite," etc., anyone but themselves -- now that they aren't "living the life of Riley." Puh-lease!!! Cry me a river!

 

[PredFan]

I ask why all the time. For instance in the gun control debate; I ask "why" does the violence, gun or not, happen so often?

Gun control advocates don't care why, they only care about the "how".

Until we start focusing on the "why" and stop wasting time on "how",people will continue to die.

Good thread.

Thank you, and just to be clear, I know many people do ask themselves and others "why". What this thread is intended to discuss is society as a whole not asking "why". Just in case there was any confusion...

Well you got your answer early then. Modern Society doesn't want to ask that question any more. They just want to be told the answer, and they don't even care if it's the truth or not.

Again, though, why is that? I really don't understand why people just don't want to know anymore. Is it because they simply do not care? Or maybe they are afraid of the answer? I just don't know. I do believe that it started, for me at least, in public schools, and my mother. Neither wanted me to ask "why?", they just wanted me to, "sit down, shut-up, and accept what we are saying." Isn't the question of "why" the very basis of all learning and understanding? If we cannot, or will not, ask "why" how the heck are we ever going to achieve "progress"? Something "progressives"/liberals claim they want, yet they seem to be the most resistant to asking and answering "why" (in my experience).

It's the way they have been raised and conditioned.

 

[Kristian]

We answer you a lot if you do quiz from your computer.

 

[Compost]

I suspect those willing to ask why and those willing to answer why, still do. The trouble with "society" asking/answering why is another matter. Remember that only about one third of people living during the war of independence supported the fight for freedom. Chances are, not even all of them were willing to answer why. People haven't changed much.

 

[yiostheoy]

Seems like a pretty basic and simple question, right? So, when did we, as a society, stop asking such a basic question? Think this isn't a problem? Answer this: "when was the last time you asked "why" when considering your position on a given topic?"
More to the point, why did we stop asking why? I suddenly have an tongue-in-check answer... When Bud Dry pulled the ad campaign, "Why ask why? Drink Bud Dry." I know that's not the real answer, but thought is was funny, so I had to add it.
But, seriously, when and why did we stoop asking ourselves and each other "Why?"

So beer commercials constitute your life's philosophy?

I guess Moosehead U. is more popular than I thought.

 

[yiostheoy]

I suspect those willing to ask why and those willing to answer why, still do. The trouble with "society" asking/answering why is another matter. Remember that only about one third of people living during the war of independence supported the fight for freedom. Chances are, not even all of them were willing to answer why. People haven't changed much.

Ok lets tackle this Moosehead U. question about the beer commercials from a historical perspective.

Fast-back in reverse to the Roman Empire. They did not have beer. Beer came from Egypt. The Romans drank wine.

So did Jesus. So did Pontius Pilate. They both drank wine.

Jesus even had his own special winemaking recipe -- stared with water only.

In my own homemade wine I use cherries, sugar, water, and wine yeast. This gives you a vintage similar to Pinot Noir depending on how sweet you make it with the sugar. Strong wine too -- 15% same as they said about Jesus' at Cana.

Anyhoo -- back to the Roman Empire days.

"Quid est veritas?"

So if you did NOT go to Moosehead U. but rather to a theological seminary or even if you only took a few religion courses in college, such as Comparative Religion 101, or any of the Christian topics, you end up with "Quid est veritas?"

Philosophy is actually a better starting point, and it is nondenominational.

Starts with Rene Descartes.

Cogito ergo sum.

 

[yiostheoy]

I ask why all the time. For instance in the gun control debate; I ask "why" does the violence, gun or not, happen so often?

Gun control advocates don't care why, they only care about the "how".

Until we start focusing on the "why" and stop wasting time on "how",people will continue to die.

Good thread.

Thank you, and just to be clear, I know many people do ask themselves and others "why". What this thread is intended to discuss is society as a whole not asking "why". Just in case there was any confusion...

Well you got your answer early then. Modern Society doesn't want to ask that question any more. They just want to be told the answer, and they don't even care if it's the truth or not.

Again, though, why is that? I really don't understand why people just don't want to know anymore. Is it because they simply do not care? Or maybe they are afraid of the answer? I just don't know. I do believe that it started, for me at least, in public schools, and my mother. Neither wanted me to ask "why?", they just wanted me to, "sit down, shut-up, and accept what we are saying." Isn't the question of "why" the very basis of all learning and understanding? If we cannot, or will not, ask "why" how the heck are we ever going to achieve "progress"? Something "progressives"/liberals claim they want, yet they seem to be the most resistant to asking and answering "why" (in my experience).

It's the way they have been raised and conditioned.

Exactly !!

Brainwashing. Everyone is going to need to deal with their own previous brainwashing eventually.

Just like Descartes who started completely over with cogito ergo sum.

 

[yiostheoy]

You tell me. What response do you get most often when you ask folks "why?" Maybe the folks you know and of whom you ask that question are very different from the ones I know, but the most common response to the "why" inquiry is, "I don't know," followed by some sort of speculation.

Now what does that tell me? It tells me that a lot of folks do stuff and have no idea of why they did it; sometimes they have no clue of how they did it. "I don't know how I did it, but I just did." From that, I infer that that there are a lot of folks who are "lemmings," folks just kinda on "autopilot." Folks for whom so long as the ground doesn't rise up to greet their "plane," they're gonna just "go with the flow."

MInd you, these are often the very same folks who are griping about "the death of the middle class," and "exported" jobs, and all sorts of other "stuff" that wouldn't be their reality were they to have taken control of their lives and put some deliberacy and sagacity into their major choices and courses of action. But that's not what they did 10 or 20 years ago, but it's "everyone else's" fault -- liberals, socialists, "the elite," etc., anyone but themselves -- now that they aren't "living the life of Riley." Puh-lease!!! Cry me a river!

Reagan killed the middle class with his tax cuts for the rich.

GHW then hiked the payroll taxes on them. It was all to save Social Security of course. But the Feds are spending our Social Security as fast as they can collect it.

W then gave even more tax cuts to the rich.

That's "why" the middle class in the USA is now dead. Or mostly dead. Mostly relegated to working poor status.

 

[Compost]

I suspect those willing to ask why and those willing to answer why, still do. The trouble with "society" asking/answering why is another matter. Remember that only about one third of people living during the war of independence supported the fight for freedom. Chances are, not even all of them were willing to answer why. People haven't changed much.

Ok lets tackle this Moosehead U. question about the beer commercials from a historical perspective.

Fast-back in reverse to the Roman Empire. They did not have beer. Beer came from Egypt. The Romans drank wine.

So did Jesus. So did Pontius Pilate. They both drank wine.

Jesus even had his own special winemaking recipe -- stared with water only.

In my own homemade wine I use cherries, sugar, water, and wine yeast. This gives you a vintage similar to Pinot Noir depending on how sweet you make it with the sugar. Strong wine too -- 15% same as they said about Jesus' at Cana.

Anyhoo -- back to the Roman Empire days.

"Quid est veritas?"

So if you did NOT go to Moosehead U. but rather to a theological seminary or even if you only took a few religion courses in college, such as Comparative Religion 101, or any of the Christian topics, you end up with "Quid est veritas?"

Philosophy is actually a better starting point, and it is nondenominational.

Starts with Rene Descartes.

Cogito ergo sum.

That was a nice rant. Real deep. The thing is, you seem to be talking to another poster. Have another drink.