Aliens MUST exist beyond Earth, leading scientist insists - 'it's human conceit to think we're alone'.

[Carl in Michigan]

Life is out there. God and His angels

 

[Mushroom]

Or better ... the odds of life only on Earth is vanishingly small ... the issue with "must" is that means "zero" odds, and that can only happen if the universe is infinitely large ... which it's not ... although it's fair to say the size of the universe is approaching infinity, thus the odds of no life out there approaches zero ...

I actually believe that life is amazingly common. Simply because of how damned fast it appeared on our own planet.

However, also being extremely aware of other things related to science, other things start to come into play.

First of all is Stellar Population. This is a concept that is actually a century old, and essentially sorts out stars based on the amounts of heavy metals are present in their makeup. And are broken up into Population I, Population II, and Population III.

Now it is a bit backwards, as this description came before the Big Bang and other later theories. But in short, our sun is a Population I star. That is one where it is rich in metals, as well as the planets that surround them. These are all composed of the youngest stars we can observe.

Next is Population II stars. Those have very few metals, with about the most "advanced" element on the periodic tables in them being Carbon. Population III stars are theoretical, there are not believed to be any left. But that was the "first generation".

To make this short, each generation of stars during their lifetime will fuse various elements into more dense and complex elements. Population III stars only had hydrogen, and mostly produced helium along with other elements like oxygen. Population II stars took those heaver elements, then in turn transformed them into even more dense elements. Passing though a few generations of those two, and you end up with things like Uranium.

So in short, without Population I stars, you just do not have the building blocks of life. The Universe is around 14 billion years old, and the first Population I stars appeared around 10 billion years ago. Therefore, you are not going to get life appearing before then. So the "timeframe of life" is now only 2/3 the age of the Universe.

Now the star has to be in a good location. Such as where we are, on the outer arm of a barred spiral galaxy. Too close to the center, it's simply too active. Too much radiation for any life to form and develop, planetary surfaces would be akin to Mercury. So you have to be far enough out on an arm like we are. And around a star that is in a good place. Not one of the wandering ones, but in a stable path inside their arm.

So we have already eliminated eliminated 98% of all stars based on stellar population, and of the 2% left another 80% based on the location. We are now down to 0.016% of stars even capable of forming life.

Now we start to get into the other things. They have to be away from sources of radiation, like other stars going supernova and the like. Then the planets have to be in the "goldilocks" zone. Then it starts to get interesting.

We know from our own planet we have had multiple events that have "put paid" to almost all life on the planet. I often refer to our planet as "Earth Mark II", as we really are on the second planet in our location. "Earth Mark I" was destroyed in the cataclysm where we merged with another planet we call "Thea" and gave us our Moon. But also left us with a super-sized core that will live on far after our sun consumes the surface of the planet.

Without that super-sized core, our planet would be like Mars. No Magnetosphere to protect it from the solar winds, atmosphere and water stripped away. Mars had the typical sized core for a planet that size, and it went cold billions of years ago. At about the time our own planet had life and was going through what we call the "Boring Billion".

And even after all that, you have so many other things that could kill all life, or reset it back to square one. Rampant vulcanism, collisions, and so many other things. This is why I believe life is common, but rarely makes it beyond "pond scum". Like on our own planet, there were so many things that would cause it to be reset and have to struggle to survive all over again. And in most cases, might not be able to do that at all and just died.

 

[Mushroom]

And to add in just a bit more, and this really is all theoretical at this point.

Everybody knows the theories of how our Solar System was formed. A star went supernova, and out of the nebula that was left behind everything needed to create our Sun, Earth, and all the other planets that were formed from all the dust and debris. And from the amounts of heavy metals we find in our Solar System, it is believed that star was a super massive early Population I star.

But here is the question, where was it? We know we are not actually inside of a large nebula capable of forming such a star, such as the "Pillars of Creation" in the Eagle Nebula. Therefore, either we have moved in relation to the rest of the galaxy, or as we moved inside our spiral arm that original "birth nebula" was left behind.

One of the questions still unanswered is "Where was our Solar System born?" Simple answer is, we just don't know. All we can speculate is that it was inside some unknown nebula left after a massive Population I star went supernova.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Or better ... the odds of life only on Earth is vanishingly small ... the issue with "must" is that means "zero" odds, and that can only happen if the universe is infinitely large ... which it's not ... although it's fair to say the size of the universe is approaching infinity, thus the odds of no life out there approaches zero ...

Still plenty of numbers above a googolplex ... almost all of them have never been used ...

And there's "life" and there's "advanced life".

Also, we believe that life exists on bits of rocks floating around in space. So the chances of life taking off on planets isn't necessarily so high, we also believe that Venus might have life.

So....

 

[Mushroom]

we also believe that Venus might have life.

No, some speculate that. But not many take that idea seriously.

 

[MarathonMike]

I hear we have little gray alien bodies about the size of grade school kids frozen somewhere in Area 51. Will the recent declassification effort include revealing these bodies to the public?

 

[Foxfyre]

Speaking to The Guardian, Dame Aderin-Pocock claimed that science's discoveries about the size of the universe make it impossible for humans to be alone.

When asked if she thinks we're alone, she said: 'My answer to that, based on the numbers, is no, we can't be.

'It's that human conceit again that we are so caught up in ourselves that we might think we're alone.'

However, exactly where and why aliens could be hiding remains a mystery.

Aliens MUST exist beyond Earth, leading scientist insists

Leading British scientist Dame Maggie Aderin-Pocock says that we must not be alone in the universe and that it is 'human conceit' to think otherwise.

www.dailymail.co.uk

The universe is so vast scientists can only speculate as to the size of it. Our puny solar system is less significant within that vastness than a single grain of sand on a huge beach. So any other beings out there aren't hiding from us. We are simply so primitive in the science we know that we are unable to detect them and certainly are unable to go visit them.

But do they have science so they're visiting us? I don't know but I think it more probable than not. I keep an open mind.

 

[Mushroom]

The universe is so vast scientists can only speculate as to the size of it.

 

[ReinyDays]

And there's "life" and there's "advanced life".

Also, we believe that life exists on bits of rocks floating around in space. So the chances of life taking off on planets isn't necessarily so high, we also believe that Venus might have life.

So....

We know there's life here ... so it is possible, and there's some non-zero probability it occurs throughout the universe ... the problem comes when we start counting all the worlds we've closely examined for life ... and that's just here ... so far ... we're one-for-one ... [giggle] ...

But you make a good point ... detecting molecular oxygen is some distant planet's atmosphere only indicates respiratory life and photosynthesis ... modern life forms that have evolved in just the recent past ... 2.2 billion years ago ... so it may well be that most life in the universe is undetectable from outside ... we'll never know if it exists at all ... the CO2 atmosphere of a dead world would be identical to one with primitive life ...

Then there's the temporal issues ... some planets may need an extra 10 billion years to develop advanced life ... long after our own Sun vaporizes all her planets ... the bitch ...

 

[luiza]

I SHALL ONLY SAY IT ONCE

The Breakaway Civilisation here has been working directly and formally with Aliens since around 1954 .
That is the top of the modern Deep State , but you Niddle Nuddlers are searching the skies for evidence of other people who are just next door already .

Now is when it will get interesting ----- if Trumpfy is tasked with breaking that organisational entity made up of the secret parts of companies like Lockheed Martin , Northrop Grumman etc which are a complete law unto themselves, represent the top 10 banks and the "Royal"Families .
All Jewish , of course .
Has Trumpfy the Military support to break the ruling Debt System which enslaves us , and then after that with ZPE change everything forever ?
Or , will Trumpfy turn out to be the insert providing Controlled Opposition whose job is to obtain total digital control over a much reduced Sheeple Herd ?

That's what is being fought already behind the Theatre that you so avidly follow and believe is reality .

But of course I might as well be chatting to myself, for you lot will not start to notice anything until the Re-Start is in full swing and the US $ is worth next to nothing .
But against that , there is nothing to do except spectate and prep. with lots of Gold and Silver . That will keep you alive .If that's what you want .

 

[ReinyDays]

I SHALL ONLY SAY IT ONCE

Whew ... then I need only ignore this once ... thank you ...

 

[luiza]

Whew ... then I need only ignore this once ... thank you ...

Only decided to include it for Easter so that later I can repeatedly remind you all ,

"Told you .
Now ask your Essene Monk to cut out the crap and start telling the truth " .

 

[braalian]

Yeah?

We’ve been actively looking for decades and we have no more proof of life than when we started.

I know, “needle in a haystack”, but the fact that the universe is really big is not proof

 

[luiza]

Yeah?

We’ve been actively looking for decades and we have no more proof of life than when we started.

I know, “needle in a haystack”, but the fact that the universe is really big is not proof

Quite the opposite once you look at Quantum Theory , its consequences and ZPE separately and specifically .

Immediately Universe has become instant in every respect and it is infinitely worse than over crowded .