Why We Have Not Been Hit Again

[WhatTheHell2]

WHY WE HAVE NOT BEEN HIT AGAIN
Has nothing to do with Bush protecting us.


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Gunny

 

[RetiredGySgt]

What moronic drivel. We destroyed Bin Ladens safe haven, we destroyed his world wide reach and forced him into hiding in caves with very limited access to outside forces.

Rather then have bombs going off in our cities and amongst our infrastructure we have forced them to engage armed trained troops and the losses we have suffered are no more compelling then those suffered in training accidents.

I would rather the terrorists be busy dealing with trained armed troops, then free to blow shit up in our cities and amongst our industry and power infrastructure.

 

[jillian]

It's not idiocy for that reason... It's idiocy because it's just ignorant xenophobic garbage.

 

[editec]

I note that Godzilla hasn't utterly destroyed Tokoyo for nearly a decade, either.

Those Japs must be doing something right, too.

 

[JimH52]

I note that Godzilla hasn't utterly destroyed Tokoyo for nearly a decade, either.

Those Japs must be doing something right, too.

The Japs must be tapping the calls from Godzilla and King Kong. I don't think there is a need for a warrant either?

 

[Gunny]

It's not idiocy for that reason... It's idiocy because it's just ignorant xenophobic garbage.

Bullshit. Prove otherwise.

The fact is, you don't know. You wouldn't give Bush credit if he single-handedly discovered the cure for cancer. You'd have something crappy to say about him.

If you think keeping OBL in hiding and on the run isn't a factor, I've got some West Texas swampland you might be interested in.

 

[eots]

we have not been hit because it does not serve the interest of those in control to have a false flag terror attack at this time..when it does ..then it will happen again

 

[Gunny]

we have not been hit because it does not serve the interest of those in control to have a false flag terror attack at this time..when it does ..then it will happen again

There is probably a combination of reasons we have not been hit again. Yours not being one of them.

 

[Againsheila]

I think it's pretty simple. Before 9/11 people were taught that if a plane was every hijack, you do exactly what the hijacker says. Now they know they're gonna die so the passengers won't let another 9/11 happen. Nope, they'll have to think of a new way to get to us next time. I think it will be a bomb, probably one of the suitcase nukes that disappeared when the soviet union broke up and I think at least one of them, maybe more are already in place. Probably got here across our pourous souther border.

 

[Sunni Man]

There is NO reason to hit us again. Osama Bin Ladin accomplished his mission.

#1) Drag America into a war she couldn't win.

#2) Exhaust our military might

#3) Destroy our economy with a prolonged global conflict.

#4) Turn most of the countries of the world against the U.S.

#5) Decrease American's support for Israel and Zionism.

 

[Gunny]

There is NO reason to hit us again. Osama Bin Ladin accomplished his mission.

#1) Drag America into a war she couldn't win.

#2) Exhaust our military might

#3) Destroy our economy with a prolonged global conflict.

#4) Turn most of the countries of the world against the U.S.

#5) Decrease American's support for Israel and Zionism.

Wow. Wrong on all 5 counts. At least your record is unassailable.

 

[Againsheila]

Wow. Wrong on all 5 counts. At least your record is unassailable.

So, you think the Iraq war is winnable? You don't think we're in debt up to our ears? You don't think our military is stretched too thin?

 

[Gunny]

So, you think the Iraq war is winnable? You don't think we're in debt up to our ears? You don't think our military is stretched too thin?

In case you've missed it, we're already withdrawing troops from Iraq. It was never a "war", it's an occupation. We deposed Saddam, the people elected a government, and we have reached an agreement to turn their internal security over to them. Sounds pretty much like we accomplished what we set out to do.

Our military is not stretched too thin at all. They're actually rotating in and out as if it was peacetime.

Trying to blame our economic owes solely on Iraq is disengenuous. The financial institutions that have gone bust have done so because of their lending habits HERE. The auto industry is going tits up because people aren't buying new cars, and their overhead because of the union is ridiculous. None of that was bin Laden's doing.

Yes, we have incurred debt because of Iraq. Iraq was not bin Laden's doing either.

All bin Laden is really responsible for is our presence in Afghanistan and I really haven't noticed that working out real well for him.

 

[eots]

I think it's pretty simple. Before 9/11 people were taught that if a plane was every hijack, you do exactly what the hijacker says. Now they know they're gonna die so the passengers won't let another 9/11 happen. Nope, they'll have to think of a new way to get to us next time. I think it will be a bomb, probably one of the suitcase nukes that disappeared when the soviet union broke up and I think at least one of them, maybe more are already in place. Probably got here across our pourous souther border.

this does nothing to address the failure of norad and the pentagons defense systems






Capt. Daniel Davis, U.S. Army – Former U.S. Army Air Defense Officer and NORAD Tac Director. Decorated with the Bronze Star and the Soldiers Medal for bravery under fire and the Purple Heart for injuries sustained in Viet Nam. Also served in the Army Air Defense Command as Nike Missile Battery Control Officer for the Chicago-Milwaukee Defense Area. Founder and former CEO of Turbine Technology Services Corp., a turbine (jet engine) services and maintenance company (15 years). Former Senior Manager at General Electric Turbine (jet) Engine Division (15 years). Private pilot.

Statement to this website 3/23/07: "As a former General Electric Turbine engineering specialist and manager and then CEO of a turbine engineering company, I can guarantee that none of the high tech, high temperature alloy engines on any of the four planes that crashed on 9/11 would be completely destroyed, burned, shattered or melted in any crash or fire. Wrecked, yes, but not destroyed. Where are all of those engines, particularly at the Pentagon? If jet powered aircraft crashed on 9/11, those engines, plus wings and tail assembly, would be there.

Additionally, in my experience as an officer in NORAD as a Tactical Director for the Chicago-Milwaukee Air Defense and as a current private pilot, there is no way that an aircraft on instrument flight plans (all commercial flights are IFR) would not be intercepted when they deviate from their flight plan, turn off their transponders, or stop communication with Air Traffic Control. No way! With very bad luck, perhaps one could slip by, but no there's no way all four of them could!

Finally, going over the hill and highway and crashing into the Pentagon right at the wall/ground interface is nearly impossible for even a small slow single engine airplane and no way for a 757. Maybe the best pilot in the world could accomplish that but not these unskilled "terrorists".

Attempts to obscure facts by calling them a "Conspiracy Theory" does not change the truth. It seems, "Something is rotten in the State."






Robin Hordon – Former FAA Air Traffic Controller at the Boston Air Route Traffic Control Center, located in Nashua, NH, 1970 - 1981. Former Certified Commercial Pilot. Former Certified Flight Instructor and Certified Ground Instructor. After leaving the FAA, he had a 12-year career in the field of comedy ending up as artistic coordinator for "Catch A Rising Star" in Harvard Square in Cambridge, MA.
Statement to this website 4/10/07: "I knew within hours of the attacks on 9/11/2001 that it was an inside job. Based on my 11-year experience as an FAA Air Traffic Controller in the busy Northeast corridor, including hundreds of hours of training, briefings, air refuelings, low altitude bombing drills, being part of huge military exercises, daily military training exercises, interacting on a routine basis directly with NORAD radar personnel, and based on my own direct experience dealing with in-flight emergency situations, including two instances of hijacked commercial airliners, I state unequivocally; There is absolutely no way that four large commercial airliners could have flown around off course for 30 to 60 minutes on 9/11 without being intercepted and shot completely out of the sky by our jet fighters unless very highly placed people in our government and our military wanted it to happen.

It is important for people to understand that scrambling jet fighters to intercept aircraft showing the signs of experiencing "IN-FLIGHT EMERGENCIES" such as going off course without authorization, losing a transponder signal and/or losing radio contact is a common and routine task executed jointly between the FAA and NORAD controllers. The entire "national defense-first responder" intercept system has many highly-trained civilian and military personnel who are committed and well-trained to this task. FAA and NORAD continuously monitor our skies and fighter planes and pilots are on the ready 24/7 to handle these situations. Jet fighters typically intercept any suspect plane over the United States within 10 - 15 minutes of notification of a problem.

This type of "immediate, high speed, high priority and emergency" scramble had been happening regularly approximately 75 - 150 times per year for ten years. ...

I believe that 9/11 was what is known as a "False Flag Operation" in which a country inflicts casualties upon itself, and then blames it on an enemy that they want to go to war against. It is one more instance in the United States’ long history of using "False Flag Operations" and blatant propaganda to ramp-up hostile emotions towards an enemy in a population otherwise resistant to going to war." Link to full statement and expanded bio



Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report

 

[Gunny]

this does nothing to address the failure of norad and the pentagons defense systems






Capt. Daniel Davis, U.S. Army – Former U.S. Army Air Defense Officer and NORAD Tac Director. Decorated with the Bronze Star and the Soldiers Medal for bravery under fire and the Purple Heart for injuries sustained in Viet Nam. Also served in the Army Air Defense Command as Nike Missile Battery Control Officer for the Chicago-Milwaukee Defense Area. Founder and former CEO of Turbine Technology Services Corp., a turbine (jet engine) services and maintenance company (15 years). Former Senior Manager at General Electric Turbine (jet) Engine Division (15 years). Private pilot.

Statement to this website 3/23/07: "As a former General Electric Turbine engineering specialist and manager and then CEO of a turbine engineering company, I can guarantee that none of the high tech, high temperature alloy engines on any of the four planes that crashed on 9/11 would be completely destroyed, burned, shattered or melted in any crash or fire. Wrecked, yes, but not destroyed. Where are all of those engines, particularly at the Pentagon? If jet powered aircraft crashed on 9/11, those engines, plus wings and tail assembly, would be there.

Additionally, in my experience as an officer in NORAD as a Tactical Director for the Chicago-Milwaukee Air Defense and as a current private pilot, there is no way that an aircraft on instrument flight plans (all commercial flights are IFR) would not be intercepted when they deviate from their flight plan, turn off their transponders, or stop communication with Air Traffic Control. No way! With very bad luck, perhaps one could slip by, but no there's no way all four of them could!

Finally, going over the hill and highway and crashing into the Pentagon right at the wall/ground interface is nearly impossible for even a small slow single engine airplane and no way for a 757. Maybe the best pilot in the world could accomplish that but not these unskilled "terrorists".

Attempts to obscure facts by calling them a "Conspiracy Theory" does not change the truth. It seems, "Something is rotten in the State."






Robin Hordon – Former FAA Air Traffic Controller at the Boston Air Route Traffic Control Center, located in Nashua, NH, 1970 - 1981. Former Certified Commercial Pilot. Former Certified Flight Instructor and Certified Ground Instructor. After leaving the FAA, he had a 12-year career in the field of comedy ending up as artistic coordinator for "Catch A Rising Star" in Harvard Square in Cambridge, MA.
Statement to this website 4/10/07: "I knew within hours of the attacks on 9/11/2001 that it was an inside job. Based on my 11-year experience as an FAA Air Traffic Controller in the busy Northeast corridor, including hundreds of hours of training, briefings, air refuelings, low altitude bombing drills, being part of huge military exercises, daily military training exercises, interacting on a routine basis directly with NORAD radar personnel, and based on my own direct experience dealing with in-flight emergency situations, including two instances of hijacked commercial airliners, I state unequivocally; There is absolutely no way that four large commercial airliners could have flown around off course for 30 to 60 minutes on 9/11 without being intercepted and shot completely out of the sky by our jet fighters unless very highly placed people in our government and our military wanted it to happen.

It is important for people to understand that scrambling jet fighters to intercept aircraft showing the signs of experiencing "IN-FLIGHT EMERGENCIES" such as going off course without authorization, losing a transponder signal and/or losing radio contact is a common and routine task executed jointly between the FAA and NORAD controllers. The entire "national defense-first responder" intercept system has many highly-trained civilian and military personnel who are committed and well-trained to this task. FAA and NORAD continuously monitor our skies and fighter planes and pilots are on the ready 24/7 to handle these situations. Jet fighters typically intercept any suspect plane over the United States within 10 - 15 minutes of notification of a problem.

This type of "immediate, high speed, high priority and emergency" scramble had been happening regularly approximately 75 - 150 times per year for ten years. ...

I believe that 9/11 was what is known as a "False Flag Operation" in which a country inflicts casualties upon itself, and then blames it on an enemy that they want to go to war against. It is one more instance in the United States’ long history of using "False Flag Operations" and blatant propaganda to ramp-up hostile emotions towards an enemy in a population otherwise resistant to going to war." Link to full statement and expanded bio



Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report

NORAD doesn't look for flights that originate WITHIN the US, nor does it look for passenger aircraft to be used as weapons. NORAD was designed to detect a threat from OUTSIDE the US.

What did you want the Pentagon to do? Tell some 0-3 fighter pilot to shoot down passenger aircraft before anyone actually knew what was going on? Nobody in the Pentagon is going to authorize THAT.

Keep your conspiracy theories in the conspiracy theory forum, please.

 

[Sunni Man]

In case you've missed it, we're already withdrawing troops from Iraq. It was never a "war", it's an occupation. We deposed Saddam, the people elected a government, and we have reached an agreement to turn their internal security over to them. Sounds pretty much like we accomplished what we set out to do.

Our military is not stretched too thin at all. They're actually rotating in and out as if it was peacetime.

Trying to blame our economic owes solely on Iraq is disengenuous. The financial institutions that have gone bust have done so because of their lending habits HERE. The auto industry is going tits up because people aren't buying new cars, and their overhead because of the union is ridiculous. None of that was bin Laden's doing.

Yes, we have incurred debt because of Iraq. Iraq was not bin Laden's doing either.

All bin Laden is really responsible for is our presence in Afghanistan and I really haven't noticed that working out real well for him.

Wow Gunny!!!

When you drank the Cool-Aid. You didn't just have a glass full.

You drank the whole jug!!!

 

[Gunny]

Wow Gunny!!!

When you drank the Cool-Aid. You didn't just have a glass full.

You drank the whole jug!!!

Refute it or piss off. And by all means, don't mind those facts. You never do.

You might consider pulling your head out of your ass and getting some oxygen to your brain.

 

[Sunni Man]

Refute it or piss off. And by all means, don't mind those facts.

I'll keep that in mind, in case you ever post any facts that I need to refute!!

 

[eots]

NORAD doesn't look for flights that originate WITHIN the US, nor does it look for passenger aircraft to be used as weapons. NORAD was designed to detect a threat from OUTSIDE the US.

What did you want the Pentagon to do? Tell some 0-3 fighter pilot to shoot down passenger aircraft before anyone actually knew what was going on? Nobody in the Pentagon is going to authorize THAT.

Keep your conspiracy theories in the conspiracy theory forum, please.

so it that what you say to these gentlemen of honorable service and expertise that wholly disagree with your opinion ..without a real investigation your opinion is as much a conspiracy theory as anyone else's ...and at least theres is based on some expertise

 

[Neubarth]

I think it's pretty simple. Before 9/11 people were taught that if a plane was every hijack, you do exactly what the hijacker says. Now they know they're gonna die so the passengers won't let another 9/11 happen. Nope, they'll have to think of a new way to get to us next time. I think it will be a bomb, probably one of the suitcase nukes that disappeared when the soviet union broke up and I think at least one of them, maybe more are already in place. Probably got here across our pourous souther border.

If there were suitcase nukes that went missing, they would well be past their shelf life by now. I was a nuclear weapons officer in the military, and know a little about the small critters that go boom. The degree of nuclear fuel refinement that is necessary gives them a shelf life that is in the six year range. Beyond that and their yield deminishes dramatically and within three years they become useless. Even with modern innovations that have come down the pike since I last served as an Officer (1983), the shelf life parameters can not change that much as refinement of fuel is refinement of fuel and that has not changed..