Why War With China Is Inevitable

[Unkotare]

There are way too many humans inhabiting this Earth.
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No, there are not.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Good thread PC. I'm surprised. Keep it up.

This is a good Global Topic as well as an Environmental one

I'm guessing you stand behind our EPA like I do?

1. Thank you.

2. "I'm guessing you stand behind our EPA like (sic) I do?"
Not at all.
I'm a believer in constitutional government.

"While the officials in these agencies are generally good people, they become focused on their particular portfolio of duties, that, often, they cannot see the consequences on other parts of society. Put this together with human nature, and one can see bullying, and misuse of power, especially when these individuals are immune to penalty, and supported by free and extensive legal representation: they have sovereign immunity in their positions.

There may be some point where it is considered to be an unconstitutional delegation of legislative authority to an agency or bureau."
James L. Buckley spoke at the Heritage Foundation, on his book “Freedom at Risk: Reflections on Politics, Liberty, and the State,”

 

[PoliticalChic]

There are way too many humans inhabiting this Earth.
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No, there are not.

I saw her post.....maybe one too many.

 

[Dot Com]

Good thread PC. I'm surprised. Keep it up.

This is a good Global Topic as well as an Environmental one

I'm guessing you stand behind our EPA like I do?

1. Thank you.

2. "I'm guessing you stand behind our EPA like (sic) I do?"
Not at all.
I'm a believer in constitutional government.

"While the officials in these agencies are generally good people, they become focused on their particular portfolio of duties, that, often, they cannot see the consequences on other parts of society. Put this together with human nature, and one can see bullying, and misuse of power, especially when these individuals are immune to penalty, and supported by free and extensive legal representation: they have sovereign immunity in their positions.

There may be some point where it is considered to be an unconstitutional delegation of legislative authority to an agency or bureau."
James L. Buckley spoke at the Heritage Foundation, on his book “Freedom at Risk: Reflections on Politics, Liberty, and the State,”

using that reasoning one might think that banks would police themselves as well when, in fact, they screwed the American people but good

as to environmental protection, how do you suppose that china got the way it is? A form of crony libertarianism when it comes to environmental protection.

 

[rightwinger]

Any war we had with China would be either an economic war or a cyber war

 

[PoliticalChic]

Any war we had with China would be either an economic war or a cyber war

While you are on the right track, you are miles behind the OP and supporting posts.

Shuffle a little faster.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Any war we had with China would be either an economic war or a cyber war

We are already in the midst of a cyber war with China.

 

[B. Kidd]

I more than half expect China to make some power plays in the East China Sea if we get deeply entangled in that cul-de-sac called the Middle East.

 

[PoliticalChic]

"1. LARRY WU-TAI CHIN

Born in Beijing, Larry Wu-Tai Chin...In 1982, after receiving a tip from a source in China, the FBI began to suspect Chin was a spy.... 1986 espionage trial, Chin maintained that he had been passing the information to China

2. GWO-BAO MIN "TIGER TRAP" In 1981, Min was stopped at the airport prior to one of his trips to China, and FBI investigators found he was carrying an index card with detailed answers to five questions, including one pertaining to the miniaturization of nuclear weapons....In 1982, the FBI recorded a phone call Min received from Wen Ho Lee

3. PETER LEE "ROYAL TOURIST"...part of a team studying the use of lasers to trigger nuclear reactions.....a failed polygraph, were enough evidence to obtain a confession, recorded on videotape by the FBI, in which Lee admitted disclosing unauthorized information...

4.WEN HO LEE... the Chinese had stolen the design for the W88, a highly sophisticated nuclear warhead....suspicious behavior he had exhibited over the years. He had first appeared on the FBI's radar screen in 1982 during the Tiger Trap investigation, when he made a phone call to suspect Gwo-Bao Min and offered to help him find out who had leaked Min's name to investigators....evidence that Lee had moved weapons-design files to an unclassified network..."
China Spying - Four Chinese Espionage Investigations From China With Love FRONTLINE PBS

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

I agree that a war with China is inevitable. Right after they invade Taiwan we'll be in it and it won't be a cyber warfare or an economic one.

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. China is dying.


a. Their air is polluted
"China's toxic air pollution resembles nuclear winter, say scientists...Air pollution now impeding photosynthesis and potentially wreaking havoc on country's food supply, experts warn"China s toxic air pollution resembles nuclear winter say scientists Environment theguardian.com

b. Their water is polluted.
"China says more than half of its groundwater is polluted...Number of groundwater sites of poor or extremely poor quality increases to 59.6%, Chinese government says" China says more than half of its groundwater is polluted Environment theguardian.com

c. They have cut down their timber.
"China’s Appetite for Wood Takes a Heavy Toll on Forests More than half of the timber now shipped globally is destined for China. " China s Appetite for Wood Takes a Heavy Toll on Forests by William Laurance Yale Environment 360

d. Only a small area of China has arable land left suitable for agriculture.
"China eats about 20 percent of the world’s food, reasonably expected for its 1.3 billion people. But the country only has nine percent of the world’s farmland." Why China Wants and Needs Foreign Farm Land 8211 News Watch


e. 'Their investments in North Africa have been a complete bust, and many have taken a substantial loss: the mines there didn't produce a faction of what they had projected.'
China Failed Mining Deals Top 45 Billion on Hanlong Bungle - Bloomberg


f. China's population has continued to expand while its economy has continued to slow.
" China's leaders refuse to blink as economy slows drastically" China s leaders refuse to blink as economy slows drastically - Telegraph


g. There are riots and social unrest that never make it into international news.
"In 2010, China was rocked by 180,000 protests, riots and other mass incidents—more than four times the tally from a decade earlier. That figure, reported by Sun Liping, a professor at Tsinghua University, rather than official sources, doesn't tell the whole story on the turmoil in what is now the world's second-largest economy." http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424053111903703604576587070600504108


h. Deteriorating conditions have made China a hotbed of new, drug-resistant diseases.
"Experts have warned of the growing risk of travelers to India, China and South East Asia bringing home E.coli infections that are immune to treatment with a normal course of antibiotic tablets."
China India travel boosts risk of antibiotic resistant cystitis




To survive they must not only defeat the US...but take it over....inhabit it.


But take it over- not by traditional warfare: unrestricted, unconventional warfare.
Anything goes: bombs in movie theatres, collapsing America's electrical grid, taking down the internet, poisoning food and water supplies, dirty bombs, chemical and biological attacks.

Planes, soldiers, tanks, ....obsolete.

there's no chance

if they can't feed their people, they can't feed an army.

and you will have to put a LARGE army in America to take it over

No, TT.....they won't.

Stay with the thread and I'll explain.

Please, allow me:

In recent decades, China has suffered from severe environmental deterioration and pollution.[127][128] While regulations such as the 1979 Environmental Protection Law are fairly stringent, they are poorly enforced, as they are frequently disregarded by local communities and government officials in favour of rapid economic development.[129] Urban air pollution is a severe health issue in the country; the World Bank estimated in 2013 that 16 of the world's 20 most-polluted cities are located in China.[130] China is the world's largest carbon dioxide emitter.[131] The country also has water problems. Roughly 298 million Chinese in rural areas do not have access to safe drinking water,[132] and 40% of China's rivers had been polluted by industrial and agricultural waste by late 2011.[133] This crisis is compounded by increasingly severe water shortages, particularly in the north-east of the country.[134][135]
However, China is the world's leading investor in renewable energy commercialization, with $52 billion invested in 2011 alone;[136][137][138] it is a major manufacturer of renewable energy technologies and invests heavily in local-scale renewable energy projects.[139][140] By 2009, over 17% of China's energy was derived from renewable sources – most notably hydroelectric power plants, of which China has a total installed capacity of 197 GW.[141] In 2011, the Chinese government announced plans to invest four trillion yuan (US$618.55 billion) in water infrastructure and desalination projects over a ten-year period, and to complete construction of a flood prevention and anti-drought system by 2020.[134][142] In 2013, China began a five-year, US$277-billion effort to reduce air pollution, particularly in the north of the country.[143]

11. "GeneralChi Haotian is ageneralof thePeople's Liberation Army." Chi Haotian - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

a. "The following is the actual text of a speech delivered in December, 2005 by Comrade Chi Haotian the Vice-Chairman of China's Military Commission to top officers and generals. Keep in mind that China has for many years advocated deceitful and covert warfare against its enemies.... It is historical destiny that China and United States will come into unavoidable confrontation on a narrow path and fight....We still need America. Therefore, we must do everything we can to promote our relationship with America, learn from ... Only by using non-destructive weapons that can kill many people will we be able to reserve America for ourselves.... It is indeed brutal to kill one or two hundred million Americans. But that is the only path that will secure a Chinese century,..." Speech by Comrade Chi Haotian Vice-Chairman of China s Military Commission


Exactly as I stated.

12. "The wars of the future will require what most soldiers find themselves unprepared to do: to win the unconventional wars and the battles off the battlefield. From this point of view even Generals Powell, Schwarzkopf and Shalikashvili are not "modern" but rather traditional military men. There is a big gap between the conventional and the modern. A gap that can be bridged, but only by deep thinkers. What soldiers need to do now is to be military Machiavellis." PLA Senior Colonels on Strategy and Geopolitics Unrestricted Warfare Part IV

He is referring to unrestricted and unconventional warfare.


13. China-watchers have noted that it has plotted a deliberate course in which it joins economic growth to military power: the average growth of about 9% over the last 20 years has led to a 10-fold increase in per capita GDP and a 21-fold increase in purchasing power for military expenditure. The Chinese are moving toward a full-spectrum military capable of projecting power around the world.


a. “The Pentagon views China as the country most likely, at some point down the road, to acquire the capacity to challenge the U.S. military on a global scale.”
China, Friend or Foe?

b. “This week, Adm. Wu Shengli, the top officer in China's navy -- officially known as the People's Liberation Army Navy -- said the service would move faster to modernize its arsenal and build larger and more capable warships "to boost the ability to fight in regional sea wars" using high-tech weaponry. In an interview with China's official Xinhua news agency ahead of the navy's 60th anniversary next week, he also said the navy would improve its ability to operate on the high seas…According to the Chinese government, the country's defense budget for 2008 was $60 billion, up nearly 18% from a year earlier. The Pentagon believes China's official figures substantially underestimate actual defense spending. It estimates that China spent $105 billion to $150 billion on military-related expenses last year,..” Ibid.



You'd have to be a fool not to be able to read these tea leaves.

Are you a fool?

“China's military reforms to 'WIN A WAR' and overtake the US revealed in leaked memo

CHINA’s military reforms have been revealed by leaked internal documents, which indicate Beijing intends to expand its military might offshore so that the country will be allowed to “manage a crisis, contain a conflict, win a war” and overtake the United States in military strength.

The leaked documents were published by the Central Military Commission in February for the purpose of spreading President Xi Jinping’s “thought on strengthening the armed forces”.

If the reforms go ahead, they will lead to heightened tensions with China’s neighbouring countries, including Japan, in the East and South China Seas and the US.

The documents read: “As we open up and expand our national interests beyond borders, we desperately need a comprehensive protection of our own security around the globe.”

The report adds a military expansion will allow China to “more effectively create a situation, manage a crisis, contain a conflict, win a war, defend the expansion of our country’s strategic interests in an all-round fashion and realise the goals set by the party and Chairman Xi”.

…the aim of the reforms is to surpass the American military might.

The documents were leaked as the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) navy launched two advanced warships designed for surface warfare, long-range air defence and anti-submarine operations, as the country's naval modernisation continues."
China's military reforms to 'WIN A WAR' and overtake the US revealed in leaked memo

 

[Unkotare]

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CHINA’s military reforms have been revealed by leaked internal documents, which indicate Beijing intends to expand its military might offshore so that the country will be allowed to “manage a crisis, contain a conflict, win a war” and overtake the United States in military strength.....

An understandable long-term goal, but one that will not be realized any time soon, if ever. This was most likely for internal consumption and encouraging nationalist fervor.

 

[PoliticalChic]

...
CHINA’s military reforms have been revealed by leaked internal documents, which indicate Beijing intends to expand its military might offshore so that the country will be allowed to “manage a crisis, contain a conflict, win a war” and overtake the United States in military strength.....

An understandable long-term goal, but one that will not be realized any time soon, if ever. This was most likely for internal consumption and encouraging nationalist fervor.

I suspect we, Americans, are not as patient as some other cultures.....

...and.....

1. "Unrestricted Warfare is a book on military strategy written in 1999 by twocolonels in the People's Liberation Army, Qiao Liang (乔良) and Wang Xiangsui (王湘穗). Its primary concern is how a nation such as China can defeat a technologically superior opponent (such as the United States) through a variety of means. Rather than focusing on direct military confrontation, this book instead examines a variety of other means.... The novels Foreign Influence and Full Black by Brad Thor are based on this book." (A major source for this post) Unrestricted Warfare - Wikipedia



2. Another asymmetrical attack is via support of those who represent a change in cultural values to those that weaken America. "'What you're seeing is how a civilization commits suicide," says Camille Paglia.... the diminished status of military service. "The entire elite class now, in finance, in politics and so on, none of them have military service—hardly anyone, there are a few. But there is no prestige attached to it anymore. That is a recipe for disaster," she says. "These people don't think in military ways, so there's this illusion out there that people are basically nice, people are basically kind, if we're just nice and benevolent to everyone they'll be nice too. They literally don't have any sense of evil or criminality." http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303997604579240022857012920

 

[Unkotare]

The Chinese Military has been studying Mahan for decades.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The Chinese Military has been studying Mahan for decades.

We should take note.

Have you seen this thread....???

The Geography Of WWIII


And this...
"When US defence secretary Jim Mattis visited China, President Xi Jinping told him that Beijing would not yield “one inch” of the South China Sea.”

China's military reforms to 'WIN A WAR' and overtake the US revealed in leaked memo