Why the hate?

[Photonic]

He's given you the ******* sources, moron. Go read them.

Well, nothing factually wrong with that (except Hitler was in no way an atheist). But we also know that atheism or religion wasn't the cause of those events. There is no atheist dogma, it's simply the state of lacking a believe in a deity. I would also like to point out that Buddhists, Confucianism, Taoism are religions that are atheistic by definition.

The atheistic state was so the government and dear leader was the object of worship. These places were just as religious, possibly more so than any of the mainstream religions.

These places almost weren't atheist, they replaced one God for Dear Leader.

Richard Dawkins looked into both Stalin and Hitler and he concluded that Stalin was definately an atheist while he thought Hitler a theist "of some sort", but was never able to pinpoint a belief system. His problem was the contradictory quotes that Hitler made, many of which supported Christianity but many which advocated the destruction of all religions.

My personal belief is Hitler was a atheist based on the pogroms he had planned for the Christians once the war was over. He had allready implemented the Jewish destruction as he felt he could get away with it.

I don't doubt it, they would have seen religion as a threat to their absolute power.

 

[Avatar4321]

Why do you hate people who oppose you politically?

 

[Photonic]

Why do you hate people who oppose you politically?

I don't, not really. Politics is disgusting but I don't see it as personal.

 

[westwall]

Why do you hate people who oppose you politically?

I have never witnessed photonic hating anyone.

 

[Steelplate]

Why do you hate people who oppose you politically?

I don't, not in the least. However, my political counterparts have a real tendency to call liberals the enemy, all that is wrong with the country and a host of other things. Do my words get heated? Absolutely.... anger is a normal human emotion. Hate is something different.

 

[Steelplate]

Why do you hate people who oppose you politically?

I have never witnessed photonic hating anyone.

I think he was referring to me with my liberal viewpoint. But in truth, I feel that a liberal viewpoint is the closest thing to Christ's teachings. The acquiring of money and power flies directly in the face of Christianity. Furthermore, that same viewpoint tends to cloak themselves in the same religion that says... "Judge not, lest ye be judged, Let those without sin cast the first stone and that which you have done for the least of my children, you have done for me".

Now, I know.... they hate government and don't want them involved in anything... I get that. But they also tend to be all for a person hoarding as much as possible... which I don't. A person's legacy lies not in what one has, but what one does with their lives, how many hearts you touch, how much comfort you give to others. Materialism is not of God... now truthfully? I am just as bad... but I consider it a sin and an addiction...not an accomplishment.

There's an old bluegrass song by the Monroe brothers that fits. the first set of lyrics goes like this...

Brother so far... from the savior today...

Risk not you soul... for the things that decay....

For if today.... God should call you away....

What would you give.... in exchange for your soul?

there's more, but I don't want to bore anyone.

 

[editec]

Let's face it, kids.

Some of my fellow "christians" aren't very christlike in their approach to their neighbors.

Those self proclaiming hypocrites aren't exactly easy to love as a brother..

 

[Iridescence]

 

[FurthurBB]

Hitler used religion as a tool. He himself was an atheist and had plans to kill all the Roman Catholics in Germany when the time was right. He however realised that he needed the religious Germans to get into power in the first place. He used them and when he was done with them he was going to kill them....just like he did with the homosexuals who were useful tools until they were no longer useful so he had them killed during the Night of the Long Knives.

Statements of FACT are never non sequiters so long as they pertain to the original discussion. Hitler, Lenin-Stalin and Mao were atheists. Provably so. They were the leaders of their countries and they murdered millions more then religions ever did. That too is a fact. Am I saying that atheism is bad? No, I am not. I am saying that leaders who were atheists were worse then the evil religious people in the past. Who probably used the religion of the time to perpetrate their murderous behavior as well.

Do you see the connection? It is not the religion, it is not the atheism...it is the PEOPLE involved who are to blame.

Hitler was not an atheist, he believed fully in god.

Actually, no he didn't. Even Dawkins couldn't pinpoint a belief of Hitlers. He believed he was a theist, he just couldn't figure out which one. Based on Hitlers fondness for Friedrich Nietzsche I suppose it is possible Hitler felt himself a God.

I am not beholden to Dawkins and his beliefs. I know a lot about the history of Nazi Germany and have concluded from Hitler's statements, like many other historians, that Hitler fully believed in a god, but had a disdain for organized religion. That absolutely makes one a theist which is not an atheist.

 

[FurthurBB]

Why do you hate people who oppose you politically?

I don't, not in the least. However, my political counterparts have a real tendency to call liberals the enemy, all that is wrong with the country and a host of other things. Do my words get heated? Absolutely.... anger is a normal human emotion. Hate is something different.

I can imagine, my husband is very liberal and he says "how can you argue politics with someone that says you are an enemy to the US, when that same person is constantly shouting how much they hate US citizens?"

I think partisan politics is the enemy of the US and the citizens are allowing themselves to be dragged along for the ride because the sport is so exciting to them.

 

[Cammmpbell]

Actually there was a god....his ass got blown up in the big bang. They told him to quit phuckin' with that plutonium and hydrogen.

 

[westwall]

Hitler was not an atheist, he believed fully in god.

Actually, no he didn't. Even Dawkins couldn't pinpoint a belief of Hitlers. He believed he was a theist, he just couldn't figure out which one. Based on Hitlers fondness for Friedrich Nietzsche I suppose it is possible Hitler felt himself a God.

I am not beholden to Dawkins and his beliefs. I know a lot about the history of Nazi Germany and have concluded from Hitler's statements, like many other historians, that Hitler fully believed in a god, but had a disdain for organized religion. That absolutely makes one a theist which is not an atheist.

Then I suggest you read further.

“The individual may establish with pain today that with the appearance of Christianity the first spiritual terror entered into the far freer ancient world, but he will not be able to contest the fact that since then the world has been afflicted and dominated by this coercion, and that coercion is broken only by coercion, and terror only by terror. Only then can a new state of affairs be constructively created. Political parties are inclined to compromises; philosophies never. Political parties even reckon with opponents; philosophies proclaim their infallibility.” Mein Kampf, vol 2, Chapter 5

"I have followed [the Church] in giving our party program the character of unalterable finality, like the Creed. The Church has never allowed the Creed to be interfered with. It is fifteen hundred years since it was formulated, but every suggestion for its amendment, every logical criticism, or attack on it, has been rejected. The Church has realized that anything and everything can be built up on a document of that sort, no matter how contradictory or irreconcilable with it. The faithful will swallow it whole, so long as logical reasoning is never allowed to be brought to bear on it."

[Adolf Hitler, from Rauschning, _The Voice of Destruction_, pp. 239-40]

"For the political leader the religious doctrines and institutions of his people must always remain inviolable; or else has no right to be in politics, but should become a reformer, if he has what it takes!

[Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 3]




“…the only way of getting rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.” -Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 61

“It’s Christianity that’s the liar. It’s in perpetual conflict with itself.” -Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 61

“In the long run, National Socialism and religion will no longer be able to exist together.” -Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 6

“The fact that the Japanese have retained their political philosophy, which is one of the essential reasons for their successes, is due to their having been saved in time from the views of Christianity.” -Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 393

And on and on. Hitler used religion as a tool. He was a master propagandist and used the peoples beliefs against them to further his goals.

 

[amrchaos]

It ain't hate, it's fear. Atheists fear organized religions.

There is one common trait among all of the religions that drives this historically justifiable fear: All religions want the exact same thing - World Domination by their faith.

Someone asked why we can't just "live and let live". Good idea.

I have absolutely no fear of Organized religion

Well, except for:WBC, Scientology, Nation of Islam--hey, you know where I am going with this!!

 

[FurthurBB]

Actually, no he didn't. Even Dawkins couldn't pinpoint a belief of Hitlers. He believed he was a theist, he just couldn't figure out which one. Based on Hitlers fondness for Friedrich Nietzsche I suppose it is possible Hitler felt himself a God.

I am not beholden to Dawkins and his beliefs. I know a lot about the history of Nazi Germany and have concluded from Hitler's statements, like many other historians, that Hitler fully believed in a god, but had a disdain for organized religion. That absolutely makes one a theist which is not an atheist.

Then I suggest you read further.

“The individual may establish with pain today that with the appearance of Christianity the first spiritual terror entered into the far freer ancient world, but he will not be able to contest the fact that since then the world has been afflicted and dominated by this coercion, and that coercion is broken only by coercion, and terror only by terror. Only then can a new state of affairs be constructively created. Political parties are inclined to compromises; philosophies never. Political parties even reckon with opponents; philosophies proclaim their infallibility.” Mein Kampf, vol 2, Chapter 5

"I have followed [the Church] in giving our party program the character of unalterable finality, like the Creed. The Church has never allowed the Creed to be interfered with. It is fifteen hundred years since it was formulated, but every suggestion for its amendment, every logical criticism, or attack on it, has been rejected. The Church has realized that anything and everything can be built up on a document of that sort, no matter how contradictory or irreconcilable with it. The faithful will swallow it whole, so long as logical reasoning is never allowed to be brought to bear on it."

[Adolf Hitler, from Rauschning, _The Voice of Destruction_, pp. 239-40]

"For the political leader the religious doctrines and institutions of his people must always remain inviolable; or else has no right to be in politics, but should become a reformer, if he has what it takes!

[Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 3]




“…the only way of getting rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.” -Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 61

“It’s Christianity that’s the liar. It’s in perpetual conflict with itself.” -Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 61

“In the long run, National Socialism and religion will no longer be able to exist together.” -Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 6

“The fact that the Japanese have retained their political philosophy, which is one of the essential reasons for their successes, is due to their having been saved in time from the views of Christianity.” -Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 393

And on and on. Hitler used religion as a tool. He was a master propagandist and used the peoples beliefs against them to further his goals.

You know, I have actually read all these things, but thanks.

 

[Cammmpbell]

I am not beholden to Dawkins and his beliefs. I know a lot about the history of Nazi Germany and have concluded from Hitler's statements, like many other historians, that Hitler fully believed in a god, but had a disdain for organized religion. That absolutely makes one a theist which is not an atheist.

Then I suggest you read further.

“The individual may establish with pain today that with the appearance of Christianity the first spiritual terror entered into the far freer ancient world, but he will not be able to contest the fact that since then the world has been afflicted and dominated by this coercion, and that coercion is broken only by coercion, and terror only by terror. Only then can a new state of affairs be constructively created. Political parties are inclined to compromises; philosophies never. Political parties even reckon with opponents; philosophies proclaim their infallibility.” Mein Kampf, vol 2, Chapter 5

"I have followed [the Church] in giving our party program the character of unalterable finality, like the Creed. The Church has never allowed the Creed to be interfered with. It is fifteen hundred years since it was formulated, but every suggestion for its amendment, every logical criticism, or attack on it, has been rejected. The Church has realized that anything and everything can be built up on a document of that sort, no matter how contradictory or irreconcilable with it. The faithful will swallow it whole, so long as logical reasoning is never allowed to be brought to bear on it."

[Adolf Hitler, from Rauschning, _The Voice of Destruction_, pp. 239-40]

"For the political leader the religious doctrines and institutions of his people must always remain inviolable; or else has no right to be in politics, but should become a reformer, if he has what it takes!

[Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 3]




“…the only way of getting rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.” -Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 61

“It’s Christianity that’s the liar. It’s in perpetual conflict with itself.” -Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 61

“In the long run, National Socialism and religion will no longer be able to exist together.” -Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 6

“The fact that the Japanese have retained their political philosophy, which is one of the essential reasons for their successes, is due to their having been saved in time from the views of Christianity.” -Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 393

And on and on. Hitler used religion as a tool. He was a master propagandist and used the peoples beliefs against them to further his goals.

You know, I have actually read all these things, but thanks.

Hitler wasn't satisfied to kill Jews just in Germany...he killed them all over Europe.

Today as we speak there are small groups of supremists all over this country who are stupid enough to think they will still someday prevail with some kind of master race.

 

[HUGGY]

Why the hate?

Why not?

 

[hortysir]

I think he was referring to me with my liberal viewpoint. But in truth, I feel that a liberal viewpoint is the closest thing to Christ's teachings. The acquiring of money and power flies directly in the face of Christianity. Furthermore, that same viewpoint tends to cloak themselves in the same religion that says... "Judge not, lest ye be judged, Let those without sin cast the first stone and that which you have done for the least of my children, you have done for me".

Are there no rich Liberals?
Only Conservatives gather wealth?
Where are those statistics that show the Rs donate more to charity than the Ls when I need 'em??
Acquiring money doesn't "fly in the face of Christianity".
My Bible tells me that my loving Father will bless me richly with everything.
It does, however, tell me not to hold more value to earthly things than I do Heavenly things.
I don't.

'Judge not, lest you be judged in the same manner' doesn't mean that we are not to make any judgements. Just that we should remove the plank before we worry about your splinter.
I have.
'Let those without sin cast the first stone' was said to a group that were ready to stone an adulteress.
We have all sinned all fall short of the glory of God.
None of this means that we are to sit idly by and keep our mouths shut when we see a sin.

Now, I know.... they hate government and don't want them involved in anything... I get that. But they also tend to be all for a person hoarding as much as possible... which I don't.

Not 'hoarding'.
Just that what I make is mine and to do with as I wish, not how the Government thinks I should spend it or "distribute" it.

A person's legacy lies not in what one has, but what one does with their lives, how many hearts you touch, how much comfort you give to others. Materialism is not of God... now truthfully? I am just as bad... but I consider it a sin and an addiction...not an accomplishment.

There's an old bluegrass song by the Monroe brothers that fits. the first set of lyrics goes like this...

Brother so far... from the savior today...

Risk not you soul... for the things that decay....

For if today.... God should call you away....

What would you give.... in exchange for your soul?

there's more, but I don't want to bore anyone.

To the bold:
Is that why the Progressive Left is in favor of such a huge Inheritance tax?


Now, please, don't start a thread about how Christians "hate" non-Christians for not believing as they do and then completely misinterpret what it is we DO believe.

Thanks

 

[Steelplate]

I think he was referring to me with my liberal viewpoint. But in truth, I feel that a liberal viewpoint is the closest thing to Christ's teachings. The acquiring of money and power flies directly in the face of Christianity. Furthermore, that same viewpoint tends to cloak themselves in the same religion that says... "Judge not, lest ye be judged, Let those without sin cast the first stone and that which you have done for the least of my children, you have done for me".

Are there no rich Liberals?
Only Conservatives gather wealth?
Where are those statistics that show the Rs donate more to charity than the Ls when I need 'em??
Acquiring money doesn't "fly in the face of Christianity".
My Bible tells me that my loving Father will bless me richly with everything.
It does, however, tell me not to hold more value to earthly things than I do Heavenly things.
I don't.

'Judge not, lest you be judged in the same manner' doesn't mean that we are not to make any judgements. Just that we should remove the plank before we worry about your splinter.
I have.
'Let those without sin cast the first stone' was said to a group that were ready to stone an adulteress.
We have all sinned all fall short of the glory of God.
None of this means that we are to sit idly by and keep our mouths shut when we see a sin.

Now, I know.... they hate government and don't want them involved in anything... I get that. But they also tend to be all for a person hoarding as much as possible... which I don't.

Not 'hoarding'.
Just that what I make is mine and to do with as I wish, not how the Government thinks I should spend it or "distribute" it.

A person's legacy lies not in what one has, but what one does with their lives, how many hearts you touch, how much comfort you give to others. Materialism is not of God... now truthfully? I am just as bad... but I consider it a sin and an addiction...not an accomplishment.

There's an old bluegrass song by the Monroe brothers that fits. the first set of lyrics goes like this...

Brother so far... from the savior today...

Risk not you soul... for the things that decay....

For if today.... God should call you away....

What would you give.... in exchange for your soul?

there's more, but I don't want to bore anyone.

To the bold:
Is that why the Progressive Left is in favor of such a huge Inheritance tax?


Now, please, don't start a thread about how Christians "hate" non-Christians for not believing as they do and then completely misinterpret what it is we DO believe.

Thanks

I didn't start a thread like that. It wasn't ONE SIDED. It was directed at atheists who feel the need to slam Christians and other religions for their beliefs. It's directed to Muslims who feel that anything BUT a Muslim is an "infidel".

This is America. You can choose to believe what you want. You can choose not to believe anything. You can live your life the way that you want. Whether you want to be a celibate monk in a monastery praying to God all day, or a person who drinks excessively, smokes like a chimney and has a different woman/man every night.

If we are going to live in said "free country" we need to knock off the crap of verbally smacking each other around when it comes to differences. We need to find common ground and work together. We need to forgive one another and love one another and take care of one another, otherwise... this Grand Experiment of a country is going to fall. Rich, poor, left, right.... it isn't going to matter.

 

[hortysir]

Understood and agreed