Why support Israel?

[JoelT1]

If there are sanctions slapped onto Russia for the War in Donbass in Ukraine, I don't see why there shouldn't be sanctions slapped onto Israel for the War against Palestine......

Gee, what could this be, which makes for such hypocrisy?

Um, palestine was a Roman name for ancient Israel. Palestine is an illegitimate name and entity

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

If there are sanctions slapped onto Russia for the War in Donbass in Ukraine, I don't see why there shouldn't be sanctions slapped onto Israel for the War against Palestine......

Gee, what could this be, which makes for such hypocrisy?

Um, palestine was a Roman name for ancient Israel. Palestine is an illegitimate name and entity

It wouldn't really matter what we call these people, Israel displaced them in the Nakba.

 

[JoelT1]

If there are sanctions slapped onto Russia for the War in Donbass in Ukraine, I don't see why there shouldn't be sanctions slapped onto Israel for the War against Palestine......

Gee, what could this be, which makes for such hypocrisy?

Um, palestine was a Roman name for ancient Israel. Palestine is an illegitimate name and entity

It wouldn't really matter what we call these people, Israel displaced them in the Nakba.

Um, no. Jews are the indigenous People since antiquity. Arabs, Muslims displaced Jews. Read a book

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

If there are sanctions slapped onto Russia for the War in Donbass in Ukraine, I don't see why there shouldn't be sanctions slapped onto Israel for the War against Palestine......

Gee, what could this be, which makes for such hypocrisy?

Um, palestine was a Roman name for ancient Israel. Palestine is an illegitimate name and entity

It wouldn't really matter what we call these people, Israel displaced them in the Nakba.

Um, no. Jews are the indigenous People since antiquity. Arabs, Muslims displaced Jews. Read a book

Romans displaced, or rather dispersed Ashkenazi, and Sephardi Jews, whom make up a massive majority in Israel.

Furthermore, Ashkenazi, and Sephardi Jews have nearly as much European genes, as Jewish ones.

BTW, Mizrahi Jews are genetically more similar to Palestinian Arabs, than they are to Sephardi, or Ashkenazi Jews.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Who Is Israel's Yair Klein and What Was He Doing in Colombia and Sierra Leone?
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Last weekend, Colombian intelligence agents arrested two Israelis and a Colombian suspected of being part of an arms-smuggling network attempting to deliver more than 50,000 guns to guerrillas. [includes rush transcript]

Colombian officials are investigating whether the detained Israelis are linked to Yair Klein, an Israeli mercenary accused by Colombian authorities of training right-wing paramilitaries and drug-traffickers in the late 1980s and 1990s.

And it is this man Yair Klein that we are going to take a close look at today. It’s the story of a leading mercenary but also of the governments and shadowy forces he has worked with.

In late April, Yair Klein was released from a Sierra Leone prison where he spent 16 months on charges that he was smuggling arms to rebels from the Revolutionary United Front (RUF).

Klein is a former lieutenant colonel in the Israeli Army. In the 1980s he established a paramilitary mercenary company called Spearhead Ltd. Through this company, Klein began providing arms and training to forces in South America.

In 1989, Klein, along with several other former Israeli officers, was charged by authorities in Colombia of providing paramilitary training and arms to drug lords running international cocaine cartels. He is also accused of training Mafia assassins whose targets have included Colombian politicians. Klein is also suspected of involvement in the explosion of a Colombian airliner in November 1989.

In 1991, Klein was convicted by an Israeli court of illegally exporting military arms and information to a Colombian group. He was fined $13,400. He has denied all charges.

In 1998, Klein was officially indicted in Colombia on charges of training paramilitary units in terror tactics in the late 1980s. He was allegedly one of four Israelis hired by the late drug trafficker Gonzalo Rodriguez Gacha, one of the Medellin cartel’s most violent bosses.

The evidence against him includes a training video that he used to instruct death squads in Colombia. The main leaders in the infamous Carlos Castano’s paramilitary groups were trained by Yair Klein.

Massacres, assassinations of politicians and other terror tactics now used by paramilitaries in Colombia were part of the instruction that Yair Klein gave in his training camps.

Guests:

• Andrew Cockburn, a filmmaker and journalist. Among his works is a Front Line documentary "Israel: The Covert Connection." His latest book he wrote with his brother Independent reporter Patrick Cockburn called ??Out of the Ashes: The Resurrection of Saddam Hussein. He also did the documentary on Iraq called "The War We Left Behind."
• Peter Hirshberg, a reporter for The Jerusalem Report Magazine who has covered Israeli mercenary firms.
• Jaome Vidal, with Coardinaccion Colombia Europa, a human rights group in Bogota.
• Maria Jimena Duzan, columnist for Bogota’s daily newspaper El Espectador and author of the book ??Death Beat, an account of the Colombian press’ struggle against the drug trade. El Espectador was bombed in the early 90’s by the Medellin Cartel for its coverage of the drug trade (half the building was destroyed). Also, the publisher/owner was killed by the Medellin Cartel.

Democracy Now! Show for June 01, 2000 | Democracy Now!

 

[JoelT1]

If there are sanctions slapped onto Russia for the War in Donbass in Ukraine, I don't see why there shouldn't be sanctions slapped onto Israel for the War against Palestine......

Gee, what could this be, which makes for such hypocrisy?

Um, palestine was a Roman name for ancient Israel. Palestine is an illegitimate name and entity

It wouldn't really matter what we call these people, Israel displaced them in the Nakba.

Um, no. Jews are the indigenous People since antiquity. Arabs, Muslims displaced Jews. Read a book

Romans displaced, or rather dispersed Ashkenazi, and Sephardi Jews, whom make up a massive majority in Israel.

Furthermore, Ashkenazi, and Sephardi Jews have nearly as much European genes, as Jewish ones.

BTW, Mizrahi Jews are genetically more similar to Palestinian Arabs, than they are to Sephardi, or Ashkenazi Jews.

Majority of Israeli Jews are indigenous to Israel and to the region, dating back thousands of years. Arabs are indigenous to (Saudi) Arabia.

Now you know

 

[JoelT1]

If there are sanctions slapped onto Russia for the War in Donbass in Ukraine, I don't see why there shouldn't be sanctions slapped onto Israel for the War against Palestine......

Gee, what could this be, which makes for such hypocrisy?

Um, palestine was a Roman name for ancient Israel. Palestine is an illegitimate name and entity

It wouldn't really matter what we call these people, Israel displaced them in the Nakba.

Um, no. Jews are the indigenous People since antiquity. Arabs, Muslims displaced Jews. Read a book

Romans displaced, or rather dispersed Ashkenazi, and Sephardi Jews, whom make up a massive majority in Israel.

Furthermore, Ashkenazi, and Sephardi Jews have nearly as much European genes, as Jewish ones.

BTW, Mizrahi Jews are genetically more similar to Palestinian Arabs, than they are to Sephardi, or Ashkenazi Jews.

Palestine was a Roman name imposed on Jews and ancient Israel almost 2000 years ago. Arabs did not populate Israel until about 500 years later

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

If there are sanctions slapped onto Russia for the War in Donbass in Ukraine, I don't see why there shouldn't be sanctions slapped onto Israel for the War against Palestine......

Gee, what could this be, which makes for such hypocrisy?

Um, palestine was a Roman name for ancient Israel. Palestine is an illegitimate name and entity

It wouldn't really matter what we call these people, Israel displaced them in the Nakba.

Um, no. Jews are the indigenous People since antiquity. Arabs, Muslims displaced Jews. Read a book

Romans displaced, or rather dispersed Ashkenazi, and Sephardi Jews, whom make up a massive majority in Israel.

Furthermore, Ashkenazi, and Sephardi Jews have nearly as much European genes, as Jewish ones.

BTW, Mizrahi Jews are genetically more similar to Palestinian Arabs, than they are to Sephardi, or Ashkenazi Jews.

Majority of Israeli Jews are indigenous to Israel and to the region, dating back thousands of years. Arabs are indigenous to (Saudi) Arabia.

Now you know

Genetic PCA plot proving Mizrahi Jews are more like Arabs genetically rather than like Sephardi, or Ashkenazi Jews.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

If there are sanctions slapped onto Russia for the War in Donbass in Ukraine, I don't see why there shouldn't be sanctions slapped onto Israel for the War against Palestine......

Gee, what could this be, which makes for such hypocrisy?

Um, palestine was a Roman name for ancient Israel. Palestine is an illegitimate name and entity

It wouldn't really matter what we call these people, Israel displaced them in the Nakba.

Um, no. Jews are the indigenous People since antiquity. Arabs, Muslims displaced Jews. Read a book

Romans displaced, or rather dispersed Ashkenazi, and Sephardi Jews, whom make up a massive majority in Israel.

Furthermore, Ashkenazi, and Sephardi Jews have nearly as much European genes, as Jewish ones.

BTW, Mizrahi Jews are genetically more similar to Palestinian Arabs, than they are to Sephardi, or Ashkenazi Jews.

Palestine was a Roman name imposed on Jews and ancient Israel almost 2000 years ago. Arabs did not populate Israel until about 500 years later

So, Arabs did populate Israel for nearly 1,500 years?
So, why do you think that Jews who mixed with European for 2,000 years, should have the right to displace those Arabs?

 

[JoelT1]

Complete nonsense. Jews originate in Canaan. Arabs originate in Arabia.

Um, palestine was a Roman name for ancient Israel. Palestine is an illegitimate name and entity

It wouldn't really matter what we call these people, Israel displaced them in the Nakba.

Um, no. Jews are the indigenous People since antiquity. Arabs, Muslims displaced Jews. Read a book

Romans displaced, or rather dispersed Ashkenazi, and Sephardi Jews, whom make up a massive majority in Israel.

Furthermore, Ashkenazi, and Sephardi Jews have nearly as much European genes, as Jewish ones.

BTW, Mizrahi Jews are genetically more similar to Palestinian Arabs, than they are to Sephardi, or Ashkenazi Jews.

Majority of Israeli Jews are indigenous to Israel and to the region, dating back thousands of years. Arabs are indigenous to (Saudi) Arabia.

Now you know

Genetic PCA plot proving Mizrahi Jews are more like Arabs genetically rather than like Sephardi, or Ashkenazi Jews.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Complete nonsense. Jews originate in Canaan. Arabs originate in Arabia.

It wouldn't really matter what we call these people, Israel displaced them in the Nakba.

Um, no. Jews are the indigenous People since antiquity. Arabs, Muslims displaced Jews. Read a book

Romans displaced, or rather dispersed Ashkenazi, and Sephardi Jews, whom make up a massive majority in Israel.

Furthermore, Ashkenazi, and Sephardi Jews have nearly as much European genes, as Jewish ones.

BTW, Mizrahi Jews are genetically more similar to Palestinian Arabs, than they are to Sephardi, or Ashkenazi Jews.

Majority of Israeli Jews are indigenous to Israel and to the region, dating back thousands of years. Arabs are indigenous to (Saudi) Arabia.

Now you know

Genetic PCA plot proving Mizrahi Jews are more like Arabs genetically rather than like Sephardi, or Ashkenazi Jews.

But, I thought Phoenicians were in Israel before Jews?
It seems Jews also came from else where.

 

[JoelT1]

Complete nonsense. Jews originate in Canaan. Arabs originate in Arabia.

Um, no. Jews are the indigenous People since antiquity. Arabs, Muslims displaced Jews. Read a book

Romans displaced, or rather dispersed Ashkenazi, and Sephardi Jews, whom make up a massive majority in Israel.

Furthermore, Ashkenazi, and Sephardi Jews have nearly as much European genes, as Jewish ones.

BTW, Mizrahi Jews are genetically more similar to Palestinian Arabs, than they are to Sephardi, or Ashkenazi Jews.

Majority of Israeli Jews are indigenous to Israel and to the region, dating back thousands of years. Arabs are indigenous to (Saudi) Arabia.

Now you know

Genetic PCA plot proving Mizrahi Jews are more like Arabs genetically rather than like Sephardi, or Ashkenazi Jews.

But, I thought Phoenicians were in Israel before Jews?
It seems Jews also came from else where.

Phoenicians & Jews were Canaanites

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Complete nonsense. Jews originate in Canaan. Arabs originate in Arabia.

Romans displaced, or rather dispersed Ashkenazi, and Sephardi Jews, whom make up a massive majority in Israel.

Furthermore, Ashkenazi, and Sephardi Jews have nearly as much European genes, as Jewish ones.

BTW, Mizrahi Jews are genetically more similar to Palestinian Arabs, than they are to Sephardi, or Ashkenazi Jews.

Majority of Israeli Jews are indigenous to Israel and to the region, dating back thousands of years. Arabs are indigenous to (Saudi) Arabia.

Now you know

Genetic PCA plot proving Mizrahi Jews are more like Arabs genetically rather than like Sephardi, or Ashkenazi Jews.

But, I thought Phoenicians were in Israel before Jews?
It seems Jews also came from else where.

Phoenicians & Jews were Canaanites

Who are these Arabu, and Nabatu tribes near Israel, and Judah?

 

[Coyote]

Hitler killed them. Poles and Jews both. In fact, a lot of POLISH Jews too. They were Poles...

If Jews were Polish, why did most of them speak Yiddish, rather than Polish?

No, Polish Jews weren't Polish, nothing about them was Polish.

Why do many Americsns speak spanish? Doesnt make them less American.[/QUOTE

When after generations many speak another language first, they're obviously disloyal to that nation.

We can see similar with some Yiddish speaking communities in the U.S.

Here below is an Jew who speaks in broken English despite probably being born in the U.S.
Which he mutters I live in Jewland not America.

I totally disagree. Look at Spanish in the US. Spanish preceded English in a quarter of of our country and after we took it, it continued side by side. Speaking other languages has no bearing on loyalty, only what is in the heart. It's the same with French and English in Canada, Hebrew and Arabic in Israel, and many indigenous languages around the world.

That brings us to your video and Yiddish. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Yiddish developed in the Eastern European and Russian Jewish communities where Jews were forced to live in segregated communities?

Demographic stats prove that most of the Hispanics in the U.S South-West are new arrivals, rather than those who've been there for a long time.

Besides, Jews weren't in Poland first, Polish people were, and those Jews they spoke Yiddish first despite living there for generations as a sign of disrespect.

It doesn't matter. That territory was conquered by Spain and spoke Spanish long before English.

 

[Coyote]

Hitler killed them. Poles and Jews both. In fact, a lot of POLISH Jews too. They were Poles...

If Jews were Polish, why did most of them speak Yiddish, rather than Polish?

No, Polish Jews weren't Polish, nothing about them was Polish.

Why do many Americsns speak spanish? Doesnt make them less American.[/QUOTE

When after generations many speak another language first, they're obviously disloyal to that nation.

We can see similar with some Yiddish speaking communities in the U.S.

Here below is an Jew who speaks in broken English despite probably being born in the U.S.
Which he mutters I live in Jewland not America.

I totally disagree. Look at Spanish in the US. Spanish preceded English in a quarter of of our country and after we took it, it continued side by side. Speaking other languages has no bearing on loyalty, only what is in the heart. It's the same with French and English in Canada, Hebrew and Arabic in Israel, and many indigenous languages around the world.

That brings us to your video and Yiddish. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Yiddish developed in the Eastern European and Russian Jewish communities where Jews were forced to live in segregated communities?

Demographic stats prove that most of the Hispanics in the U.S South-West are new arrivals, rather than those who've been there for a long time.

Besides, Jews weren't in Poland first, Polish people were, and those Jews they spoke Yiddish first despite living there for generations as a sign of disrespect.

I have to look up the history of Jews in Poland, but one thing stands out.

Why were they segregated into schetls?

Isn't that disrespect?

 

[Coyote]

From the Lavon affair, to the U.S.S Liberty bombing, to Jonathan Pollard..... It just seems to be a one sided affair.... Especially considering support for Israel makes Muslims more angry at the U.S.

Can someone please tell us what's the purpose for us to support Israel?

Just because you read about Israel in the bible, or because they're Jewish.
Really?
as if those are logical explanations?

Were the Muslim Barbary pirates who attacked US ships angry at Israel?

I think that the Barbary Pirates were probably more profit oriented, as opposed to Osama Bin Laden.

You think wrong. Muslim Barbary pirates attacked US ships based on edicts in the Koran. Now, you know

No. Muslim pirates were like any other pirates. Oppotunistic outlaws. God..do you guys all get your info and history from the same hate sites?

 

[Coyote]

From the Lavon affair, to the U.S.S Liberty bombing, to Jonathan Pollard..... It just seems to be a one sided affair.... Especially considering support for Israel makes Muslims more angry at the U.S.

Can someone please tell us what's the purpose for us to support Israel?

Just because you read about Israel in the bible, or because they're Jewish.
Really?
as if those are logical explanations?

Uss Liberty was an accident that has since been enshrined in the journals of anti Jewish propaganda.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

If Jews were Polish, why did most of them speak Yiddish, rather than Polish?

No, Polish Jews weren't Polish, nothing about them was Polish.

Why do many Americsns speak spanish? Doesnt make them less American.[/QUOTE

When after generations many speak another language first, they're obviously disloyal to that nation.

We can see similar with some Yiddish speaking communities in the U.S.

Here below is an Jew who speaks in broken English despite probably being born in the U.S.
Which he mutters I live in Jewland not America.

I totally disagree. Look at Spanish in the US. Spanish preceded English in a quarter of of our country and after we took it, it continued side by side. Speaking other languages has no bearing on loyalty, only what is in the heart. It's the same with French and English in Canada, Hebrew and Arabic in Israel, and many indigenous languages around the world.

That brings us to your video and Yiddish. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Yiddish developed in the Eastern European and Russian Jewish communities where Jews were forced to live in segregated communities?

Demographic stats prove that most of the Hispanics in the U.S South-West are new arrivals, rather than those who've been there for a long time.

Besides, Jews weren't in Poland first, Polish people were, and those Jews they spoke Yiddish first despite living there for generations as a sign of disrespect.

I have to look up the history of Jews in Poland, but one thing stands out.

Why were they segregated into schetls?

Isn't that disrespect?

I can't find one thing about them being forcefully segregated into these communities.

Shtetl - Wikipedia

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

From the Lavon affair, to the U.S.S Liberty bombing, to Jonathan Pollard..... It just seems to be a one sided affair.... Especially considering support for Israel makes Muslims more angry at the U.S.

Can someone please tell us what's the purpose for us to support Israel?

Just because you read about Israel in the bible, or because they're Jewish.
Really?
as if those are logical explanations?

Uss Liberty was an accident that has since been enshrined in the journals of anti Jewish propaganda.

That's not what those on board say.

 

[Roudy]

Let's be honest here.

You opened up a thread about why should you support Israel and started with all kind of explanations.

None of them qualified as a reason for you. Not a real one.

Instead of dragging us for 30 pages of nonsense, you could have saved us all the headache and just say

"I don't want to support Israel because I hate all Jews."

Which proves what I said many times - scratch the Anti-Israeli and find the Jew hater.

My ex girl friend the only girl I really truly loved was half Jewish, and my only real true friend in college was half Jewish.

No, I don't hate all Jews, just most of them.

although my ex girl friend tricked me, she told me she was half Polish, and wanted me to come over for Kielbasa, while saying Jews were greedy.

It's not until later I found out she was half Jewish.

Ah so you got dumped by a half Jewish girl. And now you blame all Jews because she figured out that you're an illiterate loser going nowhere in life. Kudos to the girl.

Way to make vivid assumptions, I keep hearing how smart Jews are, and yet online what I mostly see is how dumb Jews are.

I actually left her, because of a few reasons, she lied to me about not talking on the phone, I was having trouble talking to her because she wasn't smart enough for me, and because of the distance.

Cause as we can see, you're too smart to be talked to. So now you hit the Internet and try to bash Jews because she dumped your sorry ass.