Why Scott Walker's Views On Evolution Are Totally Relevant

[kaz]

Gosh, we're below average for spending like the Euro socialist weenies. Great argument that. We are a leader, but the quest of liberals is drive us back into the pack.

And just think about that, 1/4 our economy on overhead. Any company that spent that would be long gone. The only reason we survive is government collects it's revenue using guns.

The country is not a company. I'm sorry you guys don't get this.

We have a government to do things that there is no profit in doing, but need to get done, anyway. There's no profit in fire fighting or law enforcement or roads or schools- but a society couldn't operate without them.

That's a reasonable argument if we were discussing give or take a few percents. However, what you are measuring is our spending against ubiquitous nanny State socialist tax and spend endless redistribution of wealth governments. That is why spending is so much higher.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

what do hillary and obama believe? do you care?

Yeah, I'd like to know.

I think that someone's most fundamental belief system is an issue, because we tend to make decisions, especially critical decisions, from that belief system.

If a person claims to be a Christian but doesn't want to admit they think evolution is crazy, that's an inconsistency that speaks to their character, I'd think.

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Both President Obama and soon to be President Hillary Clinton have stated their views.

''I believe in evolution, and I am shocked at some of the things that people in public life have been saying. I believe that our founders had faith in reason and they also had faith in God, and one of our gifts from God is the ability to reason." ~ Hillary Clinton

So Hillary believes both in evolution and God.

 

[JoeB131]

That's a reasonable argument if we were discussing give or take a few percents. However, what you are measuring is our spending against ubiquitous nanny State socialist tax and spend endless redistribution of wealth governments. That is why spending is so much higher.

Yes, their spending is higher.

So is their life expectancy and the scores their kids get in school.

but their poverty rates and infant mortality rates are lower than ours... oh, wait, no, that's a good thing for them, too.

They need to be Rugged individualists like the Founding Fathers wanted....

 

[orogenicman]

Walker's position on evolution could jeopardize the First Amendment rights of each American should he become president.

What if liberals stopped trying to force people to believe everything they do? Could they really be liberals if they were tolerant of diversity? :S

It's not a matter of "forcing someone" to believe something.

It's whether the guy knows the difference between established proven science and bronze age fairy tales.

LMFAO, seriously!? As someone who generally finds evolution to be the most compelling theory out there, PROVEN!?

If it was proven, what's this shit about a missing link? Jesus fucking Christ, people, learn the definition of proven.

The idea that there are no "missing links", or "transitional species" is a misnomer created by creationists. In point of fact, all species are transitional.

 

[kaz]

That's a reasonable argument if we were discussing give or take a few percents. However, what you are measuring is our spending against ubiquitous nanny State socialist tax and spend endless redistribution of wealth governments. That is why spending is so much higher.

Yes, their spending is higher.

So is their life expectancy and the scores their kids get in school.

but their poverty rates and infant mortality rates are lower than ours... oh, wait, no, that's a good thing for them, too.

They need to be Rugged individualists like the Founding Fathers wanted....

Of course, socialism is the magic elixir, it solves all problems, even though it doesn't.

Why are cancer and heart death rates in Canada higher?

 

[Seawytch]

what do hillary and obama believe? do you care?

Yeah, I'd like to know.

I think that someone's most fundamental belief system is an issue, because we tend to make decisions, especially critical decisions, from that belief system.

If a person claims to be a Christian but doesn't want to admit they think evolution is crazy, that's an inconsistency that speaks to their character, I'd think.

.

Both President Obama and soon to be President Hillary Clinton have stated their views.

''I believe in evolution, and I am shocked at some of the things that people in public life have been saying. I believe that our founders had faith in reason and they also had faith in God, and one of our gifts from God is the ability to reason." ~ Hillary Clinton

So Hillary believes both in evolution and God.

50% of the 77% Christian country we live in "believe" in evolution.

 

[Seawytch]

That's a reasonable argument if we were discussing give or take a few percents. However, what you are measuring is our spending against ubiquitous nanny State socialist tax and spend endless redistribution of wealth governments. That is why spending is so much higher.

Yes, their spending is higher.

So is their life expectancy and the scores their kids get in school.

but their poverty rates and infant mortality rates are lower than ours... oh, wait, no, that's a good thing for them, too.

They need to be Rugged individualists like the Founding Fathers wanted....

Of course, socialism is the magic elixir, it solves all problems, even though it doesn't.

Why are cancer and heart death rates in Canada higher?

Cancer Rates and Unjustified Conclusions

 

[orogenicman]

Sorry, transitional fossil, and claims of pretty comprehensive evidence aside, the fossil evidence is not yet -fully- comprehensive.

As a geologist who is published in the Journal of Invertebrate Paleontology, I can attest that the fossil evidence is very robust, and has been for a very long time.

The fact that we share many characteristics and genetics with chimps doesn't prove anything.

Yeah, well, if you dig a hole and stick your head into it, you can get away with that statement because then you won't have to listen to the chatter of people appalled at the ignorance of it.

The scientific community still hasn't made law of this,

So is this the new "its only a theory" argument? It isn't law? It is the best documented scientific theory in all of science.

and before you go lecturing me about the difference between theories and scientific theories, I get the nature of probability and the fact that for a theory to last this long all evidence must at least potentially point toward verification. The fact remains, however, that high probability is not factual proof. Until you have factual proof, don't call your favorite explanation proven, or I'll have to point out that you're as arrogantly dogmatic as any Christian republican I've had the displeasure of being lectured by.

There are no proofs in science. Proofs are found only in mathematics, philosophy, and law. Science deals with verifiable evidence. And trust me, I've studied the theory of evolution all of my adult life. There is more evidence supporting the theory of evolution than there is for any other scientific theory.

 

[JoeB131]

Of course, socialism is the magic elixir, it solves all problems, even though it doesn't.

Why are cancer and heart death rates in Canada higher?

Cancer and Heart disease are what kills you when everything else has failed. That said, Canadians live 3 years longer than Americans on average.

 

[orogenicman]

Yeah, I'd like to know.

I think that someone's most fundamental belief system is an issue, because we tend to make decisions, especially critical decisions, from that belief system.

If a person claims to be a Christian but doesn't want to admit they think evolution is crazy, that's an inconsistency that speaks to their character, I'd think.

I think it's a bit more than that.

The real problem is that if Evolution is true, then Christianity if false.

If there was no Garden of Eden, there was no original sin. If there was no original sin, then there was no reason for Yahweh to get all Drama Queen about lifting a curse he imposed and incarnating himself as Jesus.

So really, we have three options.

Those of us who are just fine with Christianity being false, because we didn't have that much of an investment in it. Polls show that about 19% of the population thinks that man evolved with no intervention from God.

The same polls show that 32% of the population believes that God created man in his current form.

So in the middle are the ones who try to reconcile evolution with the Bible, and that works if you don't think about it too hard.

Walker is trying to make sure we don't waste time thinking about it too hard.

Evolution does occur, but it does not refute all of Christianity. It only refutes right wing literalist evangelical Christianity, which is a small minority of Christians. The rest of Christianity understands that much of the Bible is not to be taken literally, and see it as the inspired word of god rather than the literal word of god. But whether or not one believes in the Bible literally is irrelevant to the fact of evolution. It is real.

 

[JoeB131]

Evolution does occur, but it does not refute all of Christianity. It only refutes right wing literalist evangelical Christianity, which is a small minority of Christians. The rest of Christianity understands that much of the Bible is not to be taken literally, and see it as the inspired word of god rather than the literal word of god. But whether or not one believes in the Bible literally is irrelevant to the fact of evolution. It is real.

But here's the thing. If you want to say, Jesus was a great philosopher, that's fine.

But Christianity insists he was the SON OF GOD. And the reason why God had to incarnate as his own son (yes, it hurts my brain to even try to process that still) was because of htis story about magic apples and talking snakes. Which isn't true.

It's something Christians don't spend a lot of time thinking about, but they sh ould.

 

[orogenicman]

Evolution does occur, but it does not refute all of Christianity. It only refutes right wing literalist evangelical Christianity, which is a small minority of Christians. The rest of Christianity understands that much of the Bible is not to be taken literally, and see it as the inspired word of god rather than the literal word of god. But whether or not one believes in the Bible literally is irrelevant to the fact of evolution. It is real.

But here's the thing. If you want to say, Jesus was a great philosopher, that's fine.

But Christianity insists he was the SON OF GOD. And the reason why God had to incarnate as his own son (yes, it hurts my brain to even try to process that still) was because of htis story about magic apples and talking snakes. Which isn't true.

It's something Christians don't spend a lot of time thinking about, but they sh ould.

As true as that is, evolution says nothing about the existence of non-existence of deity. Personally, I am in total agreement with you, but that's a personal choice, not a scientific one.

 

[Political Junky]

what do hillary and obama believe? do you care?

Yeah, I'd like to know.

I think that someone's most fundamental belief system is an issue, because we tend to make decisions, especially critical decisions, from that belief system.

If a person claims to be a Christian but doesn't want to admit they think evolution is crazy, that's an inconsistency that speaks to their character, I'd think.

.

Both President Obama and soon to be President Hillary Clinton have stated their views.

''I believe in evolution, and I am shocked at some of the things that people in public life have been saying. I believe that our founders had faith in reason and they also had faith in God, and one of our gifts from God is the ability to reason." ~ Hillary Clinton

So Hillary believes both in evolution and God.

Yes, as does the Pope.

 

[Redfish]

OK, dudes and dudettes.

one can believe in evolution and creationism at the same time. There is no conflict.

I'll be glad to explain if anyone is interested.

 

[Lakhota]

 

[ABikerSailor]

Please......................someone tell me what Scott Walker brings to the party.

He doesn't seem to have anything that is useful for anyone who doesn't have money to contribute to his campaign.

If he has anything that can help, please tell me, because what I've seen from his news points or anything else, he doesn't have much that he can contribute.

 

[JoeB131]

Please......................someone tell me what Scott Walker brings to the party.

He doesn't seem to have anything that is useful for anyone who doesn't have money to contribute to his campaign.

If he has anything that can help, please tell me, because what I've seen from his news points or anything else, he doesn't have much that he can contribute.

1) took on the corrupt government unions and won.

2) Unites all the various factions of the GOP - Establishment, Tea Party, Religious Right.

3) Proven Record as a governor.

4) A record of winning as a Republican in a deep blue state.