Why Science Accepts Anthropogenic Global Warming and Tells Us We Need to Act

[EMH]

They weren't lakes till the ice melted.

Not a denial that Greenland froze while North America thawed, completely refuting the entire Co2 FRAUD.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Do you generally have trouble handling hypotheticals? The point is that the argument that CO2 can't have a significant effect because it is such a small portion of the atmosphere fails on objective, quantitative analysis.

Hypothetically, there would be no life of earth.

 

[Crick]

Hypothetically, there would be no life of earth.

Kee-rect. Now does that make any difference whatsoever to the point I was making? Because, hypothetically, without the greenhouse effect there wouldn't be any life on this planet either.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Kee-rect. Now does that make any difference whatsoever to the point I was making? Because, hypothetically, without the greenhouse effect there wouldn't be any life on this planet either.

 

[Crick]

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Let's have a look at what I actually said that seems to have set you off about hypotheticals. From the OP:

"If the Earth had no atmosphere, the planet's average temperature would be 58F (32C) cooler. Adding back just the oxygen and nitrogen would have almost NO effect on the temperature. That 58F of warming is due almost ENTIRELY to the greenhouse effect acting on two components of our atmosphere. About two-thirds is due to water vapor and one-third to carbon dioxide (CO2). The other components having greenhouse effects are methane, nitrous oxide, chloro- and hydrofluorocarbons."​

This was an explanation that the Earth is not at a habitable temperature JUST because we have an atmosphere but because we have an atmosphere which includes greenhouse gases. It also points out that despite an original presence of only 280 ppm, CO2 is responsible for one third of the 58F degrees of warming. Arguments, such as you attempted to make, that CO2 cannot do anything significant because it is only present in small quantities, fails the facts.

 

[ding]

THe beauty is that eventually their lies will be exposed by colder temperatures.

 

[Crick]

THe beauty is that eventually their lies will be exposed by colder temperatures.

The beauty is that your ignorance has already been exposed by a basic exercise of the scientific method.

 

[ding]

The beauty is that your ignorance has already been exposed by a basic exercise of the scientific method.

If you believed that you wouldn't be arguing with me about fake AGW.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Let's have a look at what I actually said that seems to have set you off about hypotheticals. From the OP:

"If the Earth had no atmosphere, the planet's average temperature would be 58F (32C) cooler. Adding back just the oxygen and nitrogen would have almost NO effect on the temperature. That 58F of warming is due almost ENTIRELY to the greenhouse effect acting on two components of our atmosphere. About two-thirds is due to water vapor and one-third to carbon dioxide (CO2). The other components having greenhouse effects are methane, nitrous oxide, chloro- and hydrofluorocarbons."​

This was an explanation that the Earth is not at a habitable temperature JUST because we have an atmosphere but because we have an atmosphere which includes greenhouse gases. It also points out that despite an original presence of only 280 ppm, CO2 is responsible for one third of the 58F degrees of warming. Arguments, such as you attempted to make, that CO2 cannot do anything significant because it is only present in small quantities, fails the facts.

 

[Robert W]

Science, in this context, is the overwhelming consensus of scientists, particularly scientists involved in climate research, who accept the theory of anthropogenic global warming.

The majority of mainstream scientists believe that global warming is a threat and needs to be dealt with.


A position allowing you to ignore the entire contents of the OP without doing a lick of work. How fucking convenient.

That guilt you carry around all the time might be your final gasp.

 

[Robert W]

If you believed that you wouldn't be arguing with me about fake AGW.

He is beset with massive guilt until he proves he is not human.

 

[Crick]

That guilt you carry around all the time might be your final gasp.

Where do you see guilt?

 

[Robert W]

Where do you see guilt?

You ARE still a human aren't you? You blame humans for Global warming!! That guilt.

 

[Crick]

You ARE still a human aren't you? You blame humans for Global warming!! That guilt.

Do you have any interest whatsoever in an objective discussion of the evidence and science behind AGW and the threat it poses to all humanity (which would include your children and theirs for many generations)?

 

[EMH]

Do you have any interest whatsoever in an objective discussion of the evidence and science behind AGW and the threat it poses to all humanity (which would include your children and theirs for many generations)?

This from someone who cannot even answer the most basic climate questions of today....

and insists FUDGE is really "data."

 

[Robert W]

Do you have any interest whatsoever in an objective discussion of the evidence and science behind AGW and the threat it poses to all humanity (which would include your children and theirs for many generations)?

There you admit your own guilt. You are part of the human race.

 

[Robert W]

Where do you see guilt?

Aren't you part of the human race? Do you really mean only you are not guilty of causing AGW?

 

[Crick]

Aren't you part of the human race? Do you really mean only you are not guilty of causing AGW?

I am not assessing guilt. I am attempting to advise the public here as to the facts of the matter, what the science tells us is happening, how it is threatening our wellbeing and that of our descendants and advise my fellow humans what we ought to be doing about it.

You, on the other hand, seem to be doing everything you can think of to avoid actually dealing with what the science tells us. Is that perhaps due to some guilt about how you're failing your children?

 

[Robert W]

I am not assessing guilt. I am attempting to advise the public here as to the facts of the matter, what the science tells us is happening, how it is threatening our wellbeing and that of our descendants and advise my fellow humans what we ought to be doing about it.

You, on the other hand, seem to be doing everything you can think of to avoid actually dealing with what the science tells us. Is that perhaps due to some guilt about how you're failing your children?

You pretend you are innocent. When you blame humans how dare you exclude yourself.

 

[Crick]

You pretend you are innocent. When you blame humans how dare you exclude yourself.

Where did you see me excluding myself Robert?