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Check this, here is LaVoy's main video of his grievances:
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he was killed because he raised arms against federal officers.
how many threads do you net-confederate insurrectionists need to post on this subject?
Check this, here is LaVoy's main video of his grievances:
*snip*
he was killed because he raised arms against federal officers.
how many threads do you net-confederate insurrectionists need to post on this subject?
The cops were wrong in shooting into the vehicle before they knew if he was going to stop or not, especially if they knew there was a kid in there. Although what sounded like gun shots could have been something else non-lethal. I don't know.
I disagree with this, I believe the officers had every right to shoot that truck as it barreled down on the police barricade. Attempting to stop the truck from hitting fellow officers in the blockade would be under the umbrella of "self-defense" and not only justified, but kind of recommended. At some point the vehicle must be stopped regardless, when he didn't break at all it looked like he was going to ram the barricade, then you have a situation where fellow officers lives are in danger and deadly force is called for.
I did hear somewhere that they had deployed gas shots and flash whatsits but it's unclear what was hitting the truck in the beginning and I've not heard reports confirming nor denying that bullets were hitting the truck (like whatever shattered the passenger window in the cell phone video.)
Check this, here is LaVoy's main video of his grievances:
*snip*
he was killed because he raised arms against federal officers.
how many threads do you net-confederate insurrectionists need to post on this subject?
His arms were not raised AGAINST officers. It's standard procedure when getting out of the vehicle to raise your hands with any police involvement.
The cops were wrong in shooting into the vehicle before they knew if he was going to stop or not, especially if they knew there was a kid in there. Although what sounded like gun shots could have been something else non-lethal. I don't know.
I disagree with this, I believe the officers had every right to shoot that truck as it barreled down on the police barricade. Attempting to stop the truck from hitting fellow officers in the blockade would be under the umbrella of "self-defense" and not only justified, but kind of recommended. At some point the vehicle must be stopped regardless, when he didn't break at all it looked like he was going to ram the barricade, then you have a situation where fellow officers lives are in danger and deadly force is called for.
I did hear somewhere that they had deployed gas shots and flash whatsits but it's unclear what was hitting the truck in the beginning and I've not heard reports confirming nor denying that bullets were hitting the truck (like whatever shattered the passenger window in the cell phone video.)
Yes you are probably right about this because it's unclear as to what was being shot at the vehicle, and whether he was going to stop or not. But he did say in the beginning that he was going to 'meet the sheriff' (or whomever) that would give the idea he did plan to stop.
We, as outsiders & spectators can only guess at the true details of the events. The law enforcement could have been firing tear gas or bean bags, not to kill him but to scare him enough to stop.
Check this, here is LaVoy's main video of his grievances:
*snip*
he was killed because he raised arms against federal officers.
how many threads do you net-confederate insurrectionists need to post on this subject?
His arms were not raised AGAINST officers. It's standard procedure when getting out of the vehicle to raise your hands with any police involvement.
The cops were wrong in shooting into the vehicle before they knew if he was going to stop or not, especially if they knew there was a kid in there. Although what sounded like gun shots could have been something else non-lethal. I don't know.
I disagree with this, I believe the officers had every right to shoot that truck as it barreled down on the police barricade. Attempting to stop the truck from hitting fellow officers in the blockade would be under the umbrella of "self-defense" and not only justified, but kind of recommended. At some point the vehicle must be stopped regardless, when he didn't break at all it looked like he was going to ram the barricade, then you have a situation where fellow officers lives are in danger and deadly force is called for.
I did hear somewhere that they had deployed gas shots and flash whatsits but it's unclear what was hitting the truck in the beginning and I've not heard reports confirming nor denying that bullets were hitting the truck (like whatever shattered the passenger window in the cell phone video.)
Yes you are probably right about this because it's unclear as to what was being shot at the vehicle, and whether he was going to stop or not. But he did say in the beginning that he was going to 'meet the sheriff' (or whomever) that would give the idea he did plan to stop.
Finnicum and Ammon had been ordered to surrender to lawful felony warrants for their arrest. Finnicum refused. For 7 full minutes he wouldn't get out of his car, he wouldn't surrender. Here's the video:
Ammon surrendered and was fine. Finnicum refused and instead tore off down the road, leading the cops on a high speed chase.
After running from the cops trying to serve a lawful warrant.....why would the cops at the blockade have ANY expectation that Finnicum would stop? He barely swerved in time, coming within inches of hitting one of the police vehicles and running a cop down.
We, as outsiders & spectators can only guess at the true details of the events. The law enforcement could have been firing tear gas or bean bags, not to kill him but to scare him enough to stop.
Could they? Remember, Lavoy was reaching for a very real gun. And had already sworn he wouldn't spend a day in a concrete box. Why would the cops endanger themselves after Finnicum had already resisted arrest, fled from the FBI, led the cops on a high speed chase, tried to run a police blockade, almost hit a cop and then refused to get on the ground as instructed?
Especially when he was reaching for a real gun?
The cops weren't spectators or outsiders. They were participants. And I think they're in a far better position to know what was necessary than you or I are.
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People might find the information released by the Sheriff interesting.
http://sheriff.deschutes.org/Finicum_Redacted_Web_3102016.pdf
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He lowered his arms because he was reaching for his wound after being shot in his kidney while trying to maintain his balance in knee deep snow. He was shot at within seconds as he was exiting the truck. There is cell phone video of this.Check this, here is LaVoy's main video of his grievances:
*snip*
he was killed because he raised arms against federal officers.
how many threads do you net-confederate insurrectionists need to post on this subject?
His arms were not raised AGAINST officers. It's standard procedure when getting out of the vehicle to raise your hands with any police involvement.
The cops were wrong in shooting into the vehicle before they knew if he was going to stop or not, especially if they knew there was a kid in there. Although what sounded like gun shots could have been something else non-lethal. I don't know.
I disagree with this, I believe the officers had every right to shoot that truck as it barreled down on the police barricade. Attempting to stop the truck from hitting fellow officers in the blockade would be under the umbrella of "self-defense" and not only justified, but kind of recommended. At some point the vehicle must be stopped regardless, when he didn't break at all it looked like he was going to ram the barricade, then you have a situation where fellow officers lives are in danger and deadly force is called for.
I did hear somewhere that they had deployed gas shots and flash whatsits but it's unclear what was hitting the truck in the beginning and I've not heard reports confirming nor denying that bullets were hitting the truck (like whatever shattered the passenger window in the cell phone video.)
Yes you are probably right about this because it's unclear as to what was being shot at the vehicle, and whether he was going to stop or not. But he did say in the beginning that he was going to 'meet the sheriff' (or whomever) that would give the idea he did plan to stop. We, as outsiders & spectators can only guess at the true details of the events. The law enforcement could have been firing tear gas or bean bags, not to kill him but to scare him enough to stop.
The worst thing LaVoy did was to reach into his coat. It's not clear, especially at the time, whether he was reaching for a gun or his lottery tickets. And by doing so, yes the cops had every right and responsibility to shoot him dead. Death by suicide by cop.
He lowered his arms because he was reaching for his wound after being shot in his kidney while trying to maintain his balance in knee deep snow. He was shot at within seconds as he was exiting the truck. There is cell phone video of this.Check this, here is LaVoy's main video of his grievances:
*snip*
he was killed because he raised arms against federal officers.
how many threads do you net-confederate insurrectionists need to post on this subject?
His arms were not raised AGAINST officers. It's standard procedure when getting out of the vehicle to raise your hands with any police involvement.
The cops were wrong in shooting into the vehicle before they knew if he was going to stop or not, especially if they knew there was a kid in there. Although what sounded like gun shots could have been something else non-lethal. I don't know.
I disagree with this, I believe the officers had every right to shoot that truck as it barreled down on the police barricade. Attempting to stop the truck from hitting fellow officers in the blockade would be under the umbrella of "self-defense" and not only justified, but kind of recommended. At some point the vehicle must be stopped regardless, when he didn't break at all it looked like he was going to ram the barricade, then you have a situation where fellow officers lives are in danger and deadly force is called for.
I did hear somewhere that they had deployed gas shots and flash whatsits but it's unclear what was hitting the truck in the beginning and I've not heard reports confirming nor denying that bullets were hitting the truck (like whatever shattered the passenger window in the cell phone video.)
Yes you are probably right about this because it's unclear as to what was being shot at the vehicle, and whether he was going to stop or not. But he did say in the beginning that he was going to 'meet the sheriff' (or whomever) that would give the idea he did plan to stop. We, as outsiders & spectators can only guess at the true details of the events. The law enforcement could have been firing tear gas or bean bags, not to kill him but to scare him enough to stop.
The worst thing LaVoy did was to reach into his coat. It's not clear, especially at the time, whether he was reaching for a gun or his lottery tickets. And by doing so, yes the cops had every right and responsibility to shoot him dead. Death by suicide by cop.
He lowered his arms because he was reaching for his wound after being shot in his kidney while trying to maintain his balance in knee deep snow. He was shot at within seconds as he was exiting the truck. There is cell phone video of this.
There is no proof he was reaching for an alleged pistol.He lowered his arms because he was reaching for his wound after being shot in his kidney while trying to maintain his balance in knee deep snow. He was shot at within seconds as he was exiting the truck. There is cell phone video of this.
If you watch the video from the helicopter and the cell phone sync'd - there was only one shot as he exited the truck, that shot is known to be the whole in the top of the truck roof.
Other than that he had his hands up while moving away from the truck and then later dropped his hands to reach in the jacket for the pistol he had there.
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There is no proof he was reaching for an alleged pistol.He lowered his arms because he was reaching for his wound after being shot in his kidney while trying to maintain his balance in knee deep snow. He was shot at within seconds as he was exiting the truck. There is cell phone video of this.
If you watch the video from the helicopter and the cell phone sync'd - there was only one shot as he exited the truck, that shot is known to be the whole in the top of the truck roof.
Other than that he had his hands up while moving away from the truck and then later dropped his hands to reach in the jacket for the pistol he had there.
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He lowered his arms because he was reaching for his wound after being shot in his kidney while trying to maintain his balance in knee deep snow. He was shot at within seconds as he was exiting the truck. There is cell phone video of this.Check this, here is LaVoy's main video of his grievances:
*snip*
he was killed because he raised arms against federal officers.
how many threads do you net-confederate insurrectionists need to post on this subject?
His arms were not raised AGAINST officers. It's standard procedure when getting out of the vehicle to raise your hands with any police involvement.
The cops were wrong in shooting into the vehicle before they knew if he was going to stop or not, especially if they knew there was a kid in there. Although what sounded like gun shots could have been something else non-lethal. I don't know.
I disagree with this, I believe the officers had every right to shoot that truck as it barreled down on the police barricade. Attempting to stop the truck from hitting fellow officers in the blockade would be under the umbrella of "self-defense" and not only justified, but kind of recommended. At some point the vehicle must be stopped regardless, when he didn't break at all it looked like he was going to ram the barricade, then you have a situation where fellow officers lives are in danger and deadly force is called for.
I did hear somewhere that they had deployed gas shots and flash whatsits but it's unclear what was hitting the truck in the beginning and I've not heard reports confirming nor denying that bullets were hitting the truck (like whatever shattered the passenger window in the cell phone video.)
Yes you are probably right about this because it's unclear as to what was being shot at the vehicle, and whether he was going to stop or not. But he did say in the beginning that he was going to 'meet the sheriff' (or whomever) that would give the idea he did plan to stop. We, as outsiders & spectators can only guess at the true details of the events. The law enforcement could have been firing tear gas or bean bags, not to kill him but to scare him enough to stop.
The worst thing LaVoy did was to reach into his coat. It's not clear, especially at the time, whether he was reaching for a gun or his lottery tickets. And by doing so, yes the cops had every right and responsibility to shoot him dead. Death by suicide by cop.
He lowered his arms because he was reaching for his wound after being shot in his kidney while trying to maintain his balance in knee deep snow. He was shot at within seconds as he was exiting the truck. There is cell phone video of this.
If you watch the video from the helicopter and the cell phone sync'd - there was only one shot as he exited the truck, that shot is known to be the whole in the top of the truck roof.
Other than that he had his hands up while moving away from the truck and then later dropped his hands to reach in the jacket for the pistol he had there.
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If you watch the video from the helicopter and the cell phone sync'd - there was only one shot as he exited the truck, that shot is known to be the whole in the top of the truck roof.
Other than that he had his hands up while moving away from the truck and then later dropped his hands to reach in the jacket for the pistol he had there.
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BULL to both. There were plenty of 'shots' going off even before the truck stopped. I was the one that posted the cell phone video in this thread, if you were paying attention. He came out of the truck with his arms raised. In the heli video you don't see him reacting to being shot as anyone would if having been hit they would jerk or hunch over. LaVoy didn't do that. He stayed on his feet, turning around in deep snow and several times reached into his coat.
HE WAS FATALLY SHOT BECAUSE HE KEPT REACHING INTO HIS COAT. nevermind what he may or may not have been reaching for. Cops anywhere, at any time would shot to kill when a person reaches into their coat like LaVoy did. Then add on top of that, the fact he had already said he wasn't going to jail and told officers to shoot him.
If you watch the video from the helicopter and the cell phone sync'd - there was only one shot as he exited the truck, that shot is known to be the whole in the top of the truck roof.
Other than that he had his hands up while moving away from the truck and then later dropped his hands to reach in the jacket for the pistol he had there.
>>>>BULL to both. There were plenty of 'shots' going off even before the truck stopped. I was the one that posted the cell phone video in this thread, if you were paying attention. He came out of the truck with his arms raised. In the heli video you don't see him reacting to being shot as anyone would if having been hit they would jerk or hunch over. LaVoy didn't do that. He stayed on his feet, turning around in deep snow and several times reached into his coat.
If you watch the video, there is only one shot from the time he opened his door and stepped out. That is the shot that entered the Trucks roof, since it struck the truck - it didn't strick Finicum.
That's what I was pointing out to McGarrett who claims Finicrum was shot when he exited the vehicle and that is what he was reaching for. That is incorrect because there was only one shot in that time frame and that is the roof bullet.
HE WAS FATALLY SHOT BECAUSE HE KEPT REACHING INTO HIS COAT. nevermind what he may or may not have been reaching for. Cops anywhere, at any time would shot to kill when a person reaches into their coat like LaVoy did. Then add on top of that, the fact he had already said he wasn't going to jail and told officers to shoot him.
I agree, no need to be defensive.
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