Why not cut military spending?

[ConzHateUSA]

The military employs some Americans, so I say eliminate most of the military and employ all those people and more building roads and bridges, etc.

Yea because all the folks working for the military know all about building "roads and bridges".

Its amazing you libtards are still obessed with that story. I thought by this time our whole infrastructure systems was going to be in ruins if we didn't rebuild every road and bridge by now.

your brain is broken, when you have nothing to add but puke, refrain please

 

[Mr Natural]

Yea, you know, on the FY2001 military budget passed by Clinton in 2000?

No matter how you slice it, still a giant failure by the defense community.

Sure it was. The point is you get what you pay for. If you want to cut and gut the military then it leaves us more vulnerable. If thats the way the country wants it, then so be it. But don't make some uninformed claim that we had a bloated military budget at the time and it didn't help us one bit.

So it takes half a trillion dollars to stop 19 guys with box cutters from inflicting damage on US soil?

Not much bang for the buck there.

 

[1ManRev]

Can we afford the job losses in this economy?...

Defense industry group: Big budget cuts mean big job losses
July 17th, 2012 - More than 2 million jobs could be lost if Congress does not agree on a budget plan by the end of the year, according to a defense industry group's report on a budget bill that would cut total federal spending by more than $1 trillion over the next decade.

The report, released Tuesday by George Mason University and commissioned by the Aerospace Industries Association, a group that lobbies for many companies in the defense industry, estimates that 1.09 million private-sector and federal jobs connected with the Department of Defense would be lost, and nearly as many nondefense jobs. The report, titled "The Economic Impact of the Budget Control Act of 2011 on DOD and Non-DOD Agencies," examines the ripple effect from the potential cuts, known as sequestration, that resulted from a congressional deal struck last fall during negotiations on the current budget deal.

Those result of those negotiations was that Congress and the president were unable to agree on a deficit-reduction plan. If there is no agreement by January 2013, the Pentagon and other federal agencies would be forced to cut spending by $1.2 trillion over the next 10 years. The Department of Defense would receive most of the cuts, $492 billion, while the other federal offices would share the remainder of the cuts, totaling $708 billion.

The defense-sector job loss numbers are up slightly from a similar report the AIA released last October, which looked only at a limited number of accounts that would hit the defense industry in reaching a total of 1.06 million lost jobs. The latest report looks at the effect of sequestration on all accounts that would affect the defense industry. The October report did not look at the effect on other federal agencies. "This report shows that sequestration is not just a defense problem, it's an American problem," said AIA President and CEO Marion C. Blakey. "Unless our leaders in Washington take action, massive cuts have the potential to impact everyone from the defense worker to teachers, health care professionals, government employees and beyond."

According to the new report:
- 1,090,359 jobs across the defense sector would be lost;
- 107,220 of those jobs would be in the federal sector;
- 1,047,349 jobs would disappear related to the budget cuts for other federal agencies
- More than half of those nondefense jobs - 510,229 - would be federal employees.

MORE

Arguing against military spending cuts for economic reasons. This is usually how people succumb to supporting the military-industrial complex.

 

[theHawk]

No matter how you slice it, still a giant failure by the defense community.

Sure it was. The point is you get what you pay for. If you want to cut and gut the military then it leaves us more vulnerable. If thats the way the country wants it, then so be it. But don't make some uninformed claim that we had a bloated military budget at the time and it didn't help us one bit.

So it takes half a trillion dollars to stop 19 guys with box cutters from inflicting damage on US soil?

Not much bang for the buck there.

They were more than just "19 guys with box cutters". They were trained terrorists, trained at flight schools, and apart of terror cells planning a co-ordinated attack. All of which should had been caught by intell and/or monitoring of such terror groups.

You can belittle it all you want, if that makes you feel better. Anything for the agenda!

 

[The T]

Sure it was. The point is you get what you pay for. If you want to cut and gut the military then it leaves us more vulnerable. If thats the way the country wants it, then so be it. But don't make some uninformed claim that we had a bloated military budget at the time and it didn't help us one bit.

So it takes half a trillion dollars to stop 19 guys with box cutters from inflicting damage on US soil?

Not much bang for the buck there.

They were more than just "19 guys with box cutters". They were trained terrorists, trained at flight schools, and apart of terror cells planning a co-ordinated attack. All of which should had been caught by intell and/or monitoring of such terror groups.

You can belittle it all you want, if that makes you feel better. Anything for the agenda!

Yep.

From 2 days AFTER the attacks...

CNN:

Fla. flight schools may have trained hijackers

Says alot about immigration policies, doesn't it?

 

[BlindBoo]

Can we afford the job losses in this economy?...

Defense industry group: Big budget cuts mean big job losses
July 17th, 2012 - More than 2 million jobs could be lost if Congress does not agree on a budget plan by the end of the year, according to a defense industry group's report on a budget bill that would cut total federal spending by more than $1 trillion over the next decade.

The report, released Tuesday by George Mason University and commissioned by the Aerospace Industries Association, a group that lobbies for many companies in the defense industry, estimates that 1.09 million private-sector and federal jobs connected with the Department of Defense would be lost, and nearly as many nondefense jobs. The report, titled "The Economic Impact of the Budget Control Act of 2011 on DOD and Non-DOD Agencies," examines the ripple effect from the potential cuts, known as sequestration, that resulted from a congressional deal struck last fall during negotiations on the current budget deal.

Those result of those negotiations was that Congress and the president were unable to agree on a deficit-reduction plan. If there is no agreement by January 2013, the Pentagon and other federal agencies would be forced to cut spending by $1.2 trillion over the next 10 years. The Department of Defense would receive most of the cuts, $492 billion, while the other federal offices would share the remainder of the cuts, totaling $708 billion.

The defense-sector job loss numbers are up slightly from a similar report the AIA released last October, which looked only at a limited number of accounts that would hit the defense industry in reaching a total of 1.06 million lost jobs. The latest report looks at the effect of sequestration on all accounts that would affect the defense industry. The October report did not look at the effect on other federal agencies. "This report shows that sequestration is not just a defense problem, it's an American problem," said AIA President and CEO Marion C. Blakey. "Unless our leaders in Washington take action, massive cuts have the potential to impact everyone from the defense worker to teachers, health care professionals, government employees and beyond."

According to the new report:
- 1,090,359 jobs across the defense sector would be lost;
- 107,220 of those jobs would be in the federal sector;
- 1,047,349 jobs would disappear related to the budget cuts for other federal agencies
- More than half of those nondefense jobs - 510,229 - would be federal employees.

MORE

Arguing against military spending cuts for economic reasons. This is usually how people succumb to supporting the military-industrial complex.

It does blow the conz argument that Goverment spending doesn't create jobs.

But it comes down to 2 reasons. Cutting the military would weaken our defenses and will put the economy into another recession. I don't buy the first but I can accept that the second will happen. Look what happened after the end of Vietnam and the 79 recession after the reduction in military spending started in 78.

 

[uscitizen]

Thats what gets me about all these liberals that want to cut DoD spending. Its the only spending the government does that actually supports jobs. All of that welfare spending just creates more lazy ass unemployed who sit at home collecting a paycheck.

Umm they buy things with theat Welfare money, SS money, Unemployment, And the medical industry gets all the medicare/medicaid spending.
That creates jobs as well.

So that is your justification, they "spend" the welfare money to create other people jobs?

You don't want tax dollars to go to people who actually work to protect the US, but you want to pay lazy able bodied men that do nothing. Rewarding people for being lazy is just going to create more lazy people. Not to mention if we didn't have to take all that tax money out of people's paychecks in the first place then the people actually WORKING to earn their own money would get to spend more of it, instead of some lazy unemployed leech spending it.

Liberalism! Gotta love it!

My justification? Where does that come from?

it seemed to be your justification for military spending, so I just let it be known that most all govt spending (domestic spending anyway) creates American jobs.

 

[uscitizen]

Can we afford the job losses in this economy?...

Defense industry group: Big budget cuts mean big job losses
July 17th, 2012 - More than 2 million jobs could be lost if Congress does not agree on a budget plan by the end of the year, according to a defense industry group's report on a budget bill that would cut total federal spending by more than $1 trillion over the next decade.

Arguing against military spending cuts for economic reasons. This is usually how people succumb to supporting the military-industrial complex.

It does blow the conz argument that Goverment spending doesn't create jobs.

But it comes down to 2 reasons. Cutting the military would weaken our defenses and will put the economy into another recession. I don't buy the first but I can accept that the second will happen. Look what happened after the end of Vietnam and the 79 recession after the reduction in military spending started in 78.

Agreed. Cutting spending alone would be a problem.
And WILL be a problem.

 

[Oddball]

Sure it was. The point is you get what you pay for. If you want to cut and gut the military then it leaves us more vulnerable. If thats the way the country wants it, then so be it. But don't make some uninformed claim that we had a bloated military budget at the time and it didn't help us one bit.

So it takes half a trillion dollars to stop 19 guys with box cutters from inflicting damage on US soil?

Not much bang for the buck there.

They were more than just "19 guys with box cutters". They were trained terrorists, trained at flight schools, and apart of terror cells planning a co-ordinated attack. All of which should had been caught by intell and/or monitoring of such terror groups.

You can belittle it all you want, if that makes you feel better. Anything for the agenda!

How would the money pits known as the Joint Strike Fighter and Osprey have stopped them?

 

[signelect]

We can make cuts in the military but we can cut everywhere. The probelm is that congress has a vested interest in spending and since they reallty do't contribute all that much in taxes but the rewards they get are great. An exclusive health plan for one. No congressman has ever retired with less net worth that he started with in recent memory.

 

[Care4all]

In the fiscal year 2001 the Total defense budget was about $290 billion a year....now the total defense budget is about $900 billion with Homeland security added to it...it is TIME to pull the reigns in...whoa Nellie!

 

[ConzHateUSA]

In the fiscal year 2001 the Total defense budget was about $290 billion a year....now the total defense budget is about $900 billion with Homeland security added to it...it is TIME to pull the reigns in...whoa Nellie!

As Ike warned, the defense industry owns the country, runs it...

The Oligarchs that own it, the Oligarchs that created the Tea Party, own the defense industry and have no intention of reeling anything in, but do intend to keep all of us at each others throats while they run away with everything.

Remember, 6, count them 6, Walton Family members (walmart) have more wealth than 130 million Americans combined...

 

[RoadVirus]

I agree that the military budget should be cut, but not hacked away at $600 billion. Do it right.

 

[NYcarbineer]

We can't cut military spending because the North Koreans are coming!

 

[NYcarbineer]

They're bringing out the jobs card now to keep that military spending going...

...glorified welfare.

 

[GoneBezerk]

Ironic the idiot liberals and losertarians that hate the military are talking up gutting the DoD when Iran is killing Israelis in Bulgaria which puts the entire middle east on alert, Syria is in the middle of a civil war with possible loose WMDs for terrorists, North Korea is working with Iran on nukes and missiles, China continues to build their military while attacking our computer networks everyday of the ******* year, and Russia as usual is giving weapons to terrorists and dictators (see Syria's regime).

But of course the DoD must be gutted to pay for Obamacare.....you're ******* insane.

 

[ConzHateUSA]

Ironic the idiot liberals and losertarians that hate the military are talking up gutting the DoD when Iran is killing Israelis in Bulgaria which puts the entire middle east on alert, Syria is in the middle of a civil war with possible loose WMDs for terrorists, North Korea is working with Iran on nukes and missiles, China continues to build their military while attacking our computer networks everyday of the ******* year, and Russia as usual is giving weapons to terrorists and dictators (see Syria's regime).

But of course the DoD must be gutted to pay for Obamacare.....you're ******* insane.

prozac, please

 

[GoneBezerk]

Those programs are Unconstitutional and not stimulating for the economy.

You don't stimulate the economy giving welfare to ghetto trash so that they can just turnaround and put a % of it back into the legal economy and another % in the illegal economy.

Giving Aerospace contracts to DoD contractors where they end up improving Boeing aircraft, computer chips, the internet, medicine, etc is productive use of taxpayer money not even mentioning defending this country with that money.

So says a moron that sports a Japanese cartoon picture.

Stick to your cartoons, idiot.

Oh, DoD spending in the economy accounts for millions of jobs.....but of course you idiots love cutting jobs in the middle of a recession and putting those people in the welfare line.

Thats what gets me about all these liberals that want to cut DoD spending. Its the only spending the government does that actually supports jobs. All of that welfare spending just creates more lazy ass unemployed who sit at home collecting a paycheck.

Umm they buy things with theat Welfare money, SS money, Unemployment, And the medical industry gets all the medicare/medicaid spending.
That creates jobs as well.

 

[GoneBezerk]

Wow, the twit was very convincing with 2 words of no substance, typical of a fucked up liberal.

Ironic the idiot liberals and losertarians that hate the military are talking up gutting the DoD when Iran is killing Israelis in Bulgaria which puts the entire middle east on alert, Syria is in the middle of a civil war with possible loose WMDs for terrorists, North Korea is working with Iran on nukes and missiles, China continues to build their military while attacking our computer networks everyday of the ******* year, and Russia as usual is giving weapons to terrorists and dictators (see Syria's regime).

But of course the DoD must be gutted to pay for Obamacare.....you're ******* insane.

prozac, please

 

[ConzHateUSA]

goneberzerk needs to get on his meds and out of his mommy's basement and employed

i am tired of my 5 figure tax bill paying his way