Why murder rose 29% last year....no, it isn't guns. The democrat war on police is a major problem.

[JoeB131]

Chauvin didn't "murder" anyone! Floyd died of a drug overdose. He was so high on Fentanyl his lungs stopped working!

Right, three medical examiners said otherwise.

He pushed the convenience clerk while he was shoplifting. He then assaulted the Police officer who attempted to arrest him. He's NOT a "master criminal...he's just another thug POS too stupid to run away after committing a crime in broad daylight!

Actually, it was debateable if he was shoplifting, or if he had a dispute with the clerks in the store he was trading pot to, but completely irrelevant. "Look he's jaywalking! Shoot him!"

no, moron as i have posted from research 90% of murderers havelong histories of crime and violence….. they are not normal people who have a bad day.

Yes, we've all seen your research where Fido is more deadly than machine guns... whatever, dude.

Most people who get murdered get murdered by people they know. That's what happens when you mix poor people and guns. Lock them up in their homes with no income for months, and voila, the murder rate increases. This isn't complicated.

Do you even know what a REAL police state is, Joey? We don't live in one despite your rather pathetic attempts to claim that we do. One of the reasons so many people from other countries want to live in the United States is that we DON'T have a police state!

Naw, most people want to live here because we are relatively wealthy compared to the rest of the world, even though the Republicans are doing their level best to turn us into a third world country.

 

[Oldestyle]

Right, three medical examiners said otherwise.



Actually, it was debateable if he was shoplifting, or if he had a dispute with the clerks in the store he was trading pot to, but completely irrelevant. "Look he's jaywalking! Shoot him!"



Yes, we've all seen your research where Fido is more deadly than machine guns... whatever, dude.

Most people who get murdered get murdered by people they know. That's what happens when you mix poor people and guns. Lock them up in their homes with no income for months, and voila, the murder rate increases. This isn't complicated.



Naw, most people want to live here because we are relatively wealthy compared to the rest of the world, even though the Republicans are doing their level best to turn us into a third world country.

It's "debatable" that Brown was shoplifting? HE'S ON VIDEO SHOPLIFTING AND HE'S ON VIDEO ROUGHING UP THE CLERK!!! Trading pot to the clerks? What are you even babbling about? Michael Brown was a thug piece of crap who thought he could use his size to intimidate.

 

[Oldestyle]

Right, three medical examiners said otherwise.



Actually, it was debateable if he was shoplifting, or if he had a dispute with the clerks in the store he was trading pot to, but completely irrelevant. "Look he's jaywalking! Shoot him!"



Yes, we've all seen your research where Fido is more deadly than machine guns... whatever, dude.

Most people who get murdered get murdered by people they know. That's what happens when you mix poor people and guns. Lock them up in their homes with no income for months, and voila, the murder rate increases. This isn't complicated.



Naw, most people want to live here because we are relatively wealthy compared to the rest of the world, even though the Republicans are doing their level best to turn us into a third world country.

The autopsy on Floyd showed levels of drugs in his system that would be fatal. He was complaining that he couldn't breathe BEFORE he resisted arrest and was pinned to the ground. If Floyd doesn't ingest those drugs he's alive today. He died because he was a drug abuser.

 

[Oldestyle]

Right, three medical examiners said otherwise.



Actually, it was debateable if he was shoplifting, or if he had a dispute with the clerks in the store he was trading pot to, but completely irrelevant. "Look he's jaywalking! Shoot him!"



Yes, we've all seen your research where Fido is more deadly than machine guns... whatever, dude.

Most people who get murdered get murdered by people they know. That's what happens when you mix poor people and guns. Lock them up in their homes with no income for months, and voila, the murder rate increases. This isn't complicated.



Naw, most people want to live here because we are relatively wealthy compared to the rest of the world, even though the Republicans are doing their level best to turn us into a third world country.

People also want to live here because we have rights that people DON'T have in the rest of the world...even though liberals like you are doing your level best to take away those individual rights!

 

[JoeB131]

It's "debatable" that Brown was shoplifting? HE'S ON VIDEO SHOPLIFTING AND HE'S ON VIDEO ROUGHING UP THE CLERK!!! Trading pot to the clerks? What are you even babbling about? Michael Brown was a thug piece of crap who thought he could use his size to intimidate.

There was a whole documentary on this, how there was an earlier bit of footage from the previous evening where Brown traded pot for the things he was accused of stealing.

Stranger Fruit (film) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Stranger Fruit premiered March 11, 2017, at the South by Southwest festival in Austin, Texas. The film showed previously unreleased footage of Michael Brown visiting Ferguson Market about twelve hours before police were called after Brown assaulted the store's owner at the same location. In the footage Brown appears to trade clerks a small bag of drugs, asserted by Pollock to be marijuana, for store cigarillos. Jason Pollock said the video showed Brown returning the cigarillos to the clerks for safekeeping; thus rather than stealing merchandise later that day, Brown was leaving with cigarillos he believed he had paid for.[1]

The autopsy on Floyd showed levels of drugs in his system that would be fatal. He was complaining that he couldn't breathe BEFORE he resisted arrest and was pinned to the ground. If Floyd doesn't ingest those drugs he's alive today. He died because he was a drug abuser.

No, he died because some asshole put a knee to his neck for 9 minutes. Was his drug use an aggrevating factor? Maybe. "He was going to die anyway" has never been a good defense for murder.

People also want to live here because we have rights that people DON'T have in the rest of the world...even though liberals like you are doing your level best to take away those individual rights!

Nobody from the third world is coming here for that freedom... they are coming here because this is the land of Supermarket...

 

[Oldestyle]

There was a whole documentary on this, how there was an earlier bit of footage from the previous evening where Brown traded pot for the things he was accused of stealing.

Stranger Fruit (film) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Stranger Fruit premiered March 11, 2017, at the South by Southwest festival in Austin, Texas. The film showed previously unreleased footage of Michael Brown visiting Ferguson Market about twelve hours before police were called after Brown assaulted the store's owner at the same location. In the footage Brown appears to trade clerks a small bag of drugs, asserted by Pollock to be marijuana, for store cigarillos. Jason Pollock said the video showed Brown returning the cigarillos to the clerks for safekeeping; thus rather than stealing merchandise later that day, Brown was leaving with cigarillos he believed he had paid for.[1]





No, he died because some asshole put a knee to his neck for 9 minutes. Was his drug use an aggrevating factor? Maybe. "He was going to die anyway" has never been a good defense for murder.




Nobody from the third world is coming here for that freedom... they are coming here because this is the land of Supermarket...

Was he going to die anyway? "Maybe"?
Newsflash, Sparky...if someone has taken an overdose of drugs and is dying...you're not responsible for that death because you were there but didn't figure out that they were ODing! Chauvin didn't hold Floyd down and make him take a large quantity of drugs...that was something that Floyd did to himself! Chauvin didn't know that Floyd had consumed all of those drugs. He's not a doctor...he's a cop trying to do his job which on that day was arresting someone for passing counterfeit money. The truth is...Floyd was complaining about not being able to breath BEFORE they put him in the squad car...long before anyone knelt on him! If he'd told the Police then that he'd ingested a large amount of drugs he'd probably still be alive and getting high today!

 

[Oldestyle]

There was a whole documentary on this, how there was an earlier bit of footage from the previous evening where Brown traded pot for the things he was accused of stealing.

Stranger Fruit (film) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Stranger Fruit premiered March 11, 2017, at the South by Southwest festival in Austin, Texas. The film showed previously unreleased footage of Michael Brown visiting Ferguson Market about twelve hours before police were called after Brown assaulted the store's owner at the same location. In the footage Brown appears to trade clerks a small bag of drugs, asserted by Pollock to be marijuana, for store cigarillos. Jason Pollock said the video showed Brown returning the cigarillos to the clerks for safekeeping; thus rather than stealing merchandise later that day, Brown was leaving with cigarillos he believed he had paid for.[1]





No, he died because some asshole put a knee to his neck for 9 minutes. Was his drug use an aggrevating factor? Maybe. "He was going to die anyway" has never been a good defense for murder.




Nobody from the third world is coming here for that freedom... they are coming here because this is the land of Supermarket...

Love to see the video you claim shows Brown didn't steal the cigars! Does it make any sense to you that if Brown and the store owner WERE engaged in a drug deal that the store owner would call the Police to report him shoplifting? Duh?

 

[Oldestyle]

Ah, just looked at the Wiki site you cited. You forgot to mention that the store denies that ever took place and the unedited footage from their camera backs that denial up! What actually happened was that Brown came in earlier and attempted to "buy" the cigars with a tiny amount of pot and was refused by the clerks. After a heated argument Brown left with his pot and the clerks put the cigars back on the shelf. The next time he visited he simply took what he wanted and roughed up the clerk on the way out.

 

[JoeB131]

Was he going to die anyway? "Maybe"?
Newsflash, Sparky...if someone has taken an overdose of drugs and is dying...you're not responsible for that death because you were there but didn't figure out that they were ODing! Chauvin didn't hold Floyd down and make him take a large quantity of drugs...that was something that Floyd did to himself!

No, Chauvin just kneeled on his neck for nine minutes and cut off his air supply. It really didn't matter if he was going to die in a hour or a week or ten years from drug abuse, the thing was his lack of air killed him.

Chauvin didn't know that Floyd had consumed all of those drugs. He's not a doctor...he's a cop trying to do his job which on that day was arresting someone for passing counterfeit money.

You mean he escalated a petty offense into a lethal use of force. Just like Wilson, Van Dyke, Loehmann or a host of other cops who used disproportionate force in a situation.

The truth is...Floyd was complaining about not being able to breath BEFORE they put him in the squad car...long before anyone knelt on him! If he'd told the Police then that he'd ingested a large amount of drugs he'd probably still be alive and getting high today!

Uh, yeah, actually, you can argue that he was in distress.. Might have been an overdose, might have been covid... but the go to answer still shouldn't have been 'Kneel on his neck for nine minutes until he runs out of air."

Love to see the video you claim shows Brown didn't steal the cigars! Does it make any sense to you that if Brown and the store owner WERE engaged in a drug deal that the store owner would call the Police to report him shoplifting? Duh?

Actually, the store owners didn't call the cops, a bystander did. The store owner probably didn't want the cops looking into what the hired help was up to.

Ah, just looked at the Wiki site you cited. You forgot to mention that the store denies that ever took place and the unedited footage from their camera backs that denial up! What actually happened was that Brown came in earlier and attempted to "buy" the cigars with a tiny amount of pot and was refused by the clerks. After a heated argument Brown left with his pot and the clerks put the cigars back on the shelf. The next time he visited he simply took what he wanted and roughed up the clerk on the way out.

Except- The film clearly shows the clerks keeping the pot and putting the bag of cigarillos behind the counter. Not back on the shelf. Still in the bag they were in the night before.

So, yeah, a heated argument did break out between the owner and Brown, but we have no idea what that argument was about since Brown isn't around to tell us.

But maybe if we applied the same standard to all the Karens out there

 

[2aguy]

No, Chauvin just kneeled on his neck for nine minutes and cut off his air supply. It really didn't matter if he was going to die in a hour or a week or ten years from drug abuse, the thing was his lack of air killed him.



You mean he escalated a petty offense into a lethal use of force. Just like Wilson, Van Dyke, Loehmann or a host of other cops who used disproportionate force in a situation.



Uh, yeah, actually, you can argue that he was in distress.. Might have been an overdose, might have been covid... but the go to answer still shouldn't have been 'Kneel on his neck for nine minutes until he runs out of air."



Actually, the store owners didn't call the cops, a bystander did. The store owner probably didn't want the cops looking into what the hired help was up to.



Except- The film clearly shows the clerks keeping the pot and putting the bag of cigarillos behind the counter. Not back on the shelf. Still in the bag they were in the night before.

So, yeah, a heated argument did break out between the owner and Brown, but we have no idea what that argument was about since Brown isn't around to tell us.

But maybe if we applied the same standard to all the Karens out there

Chauvin didn't cut off his air supply as the actual testimony demonstrated...you doofus...as was admitted by the prosecution witnesses...the knee was not on the neck....you moron....

he died because he overdosed on drugs and was dead before the cops arrived........the fentanyl, meth and other drugs ended his life, not Chauvin....that verdict was a disgrace.

 

[2aguy]

No, Chauvin just kneeled on his neck for nine minutes and cut off his air supply. It really didn't matter if he was going to die in a hour or a week or ten years from drug abuse, the thing was his lack of air killed him.



You mean he escalated a petty offense into a lethal use of force. Just like Wilson, Van Dyke, Loehmann or a host of other cops who used disproportionate force in a situation.



Uh, yeah, actually, you can argue that he was in distress.. Might have been an overdose, might have been covid... but the go to answer still shouldn't have been 'Kneel on his neck for nine minutes until he runs out of air."



Actually, the store owners didn't call the cops, a bystander did. The store owner probably didn't want the cops looking into what the hired help was up to.



Except- The film clearly shows the clerks keeping the pot and putting the bag of cigarillos behind the counter. Not back on the shelf. Still in the bag they were in the night before.

So, yeah, a heated argument did break out between the owner and Brown, but we have no idea what that argument was about since Brown isn't around to tell us.

But maybe if we applied the same standard to all the Karens out there

Shithead.......the cop wasn't responding to the idiot robbing the store....he told the idiot and his buddy to get out of the middle of the street, and brown tried to take his gun.......then, when told to stop, he charged the cop....as black witnesses stated to the grand jury...you moron.

 

[otto105]

This article looks at the massive increase in murder......it shows in the charts how the rise in murder correlates to the blm and democrat party attacks on police following the George Floyd case......the democrats have decided they want to put control of police in Federal hands......so they did everything they could to undermine the police....using their terrorist wings, the blm and antifa thugs of the democrat party...

It’s something but I still think the Times is downplaying the obvious a bit. Here’s the chart of the monthly murder rate. What you’ll see is that the first month where the murder rate started to spike above the average in previous years was May. Why in May? Because George Floyd was killed on May 25th and by the next day the video was going viral. The final weekend of May became a weekend of violent protests which pushed the monthly numbers out of orbit. And from there the murder rate continued to go up as sometimes violent anti-police protests were taking place around the country:

Why would the death of George Floyd be connected with a wave of violence? I think the answer to that has to do with the nature of the protests, which were explicitly hostile to police. Police pulled back as protesters created autonomous zones in some cities.

It was basically the Ferguson Effect all on a national scale.

As police pulled back, criminals had less fear of consequences and also, some people felt more inclined to seek street justice rather than call the police when a disagreement arose. That’s the “increased distrust” mentioned above. The protests last year didn’t have to actually defund police departments in order to have a significant impact on the behavior of both cops and criminals.
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I don’t think it’s a coincidence that Portland had some of the most consistent and most violent protests last year and also lost a lot of officers to retirement and resignations. Portland was a worst case scenario for the connection between anti-police protests and increased violence and the numbers seem to reflect that.

FBI: Murder rose by 29% last year with the biggest spike coming after the death of George Floyd (Update)

hotair.com

Guns, and more guns.

 

[otto105]

Chauvin didn't cut off his air supply as the actual testimony demonstrated...you doofus...as was admitted by the prosecution witnesses...the knee was not on the neck....you moron....

he died because he overdosed on drugs and was dead before the cops arrived........the fentanyl, meth and other drugs ended his life, not Chauvin....that verdict was a disgrace.

Chauvin went to jail for murder.

 

[2aguy]

Guns, and more guns.

well...moron, you would have to explain the 27 years prior to 2015....when millions and millions of Americans not only bought new guns, but carried them in public, and the gun crime rate went down 75%...

How do you explain that, you moron....

And how do you explain the fact that in that same 27 years before 2015....gun murder went down 49%....

Guns and more guns led to a 75% decrease in gun crime and a 49% decrease in gun murder....

How do you explain that?


What happened in 2015?

The democrat party decided to make war on the police, and in 2020 their terrorist groups, blm/antifa, burned and looted cities and murdered 40 Americans as they continued their attacks on our police forces....

At the same time, the democrat party judges and prosecutors released violent criminals, with multiple gun crimes under their belts, and released the democrat party terrorists in blm/antifa......

Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 19.4 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2019...guess what happened...

New Concealed Carry Report For 2020: 19.48 Million Permit Holders, 820,000 More Than Last Year despite many states shutting down issuing permits because of the Coronavirus - Crime Prevention Research Center


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.


This means that access to guns does not create gun crime........

Why do our democrat party controlled cities have gun crime problems?

1) the democrat party keeps releasing violent gun offenders...they have created a revolving door for criminals who use guns, and will release even the most serious gun offenders over and over again....why? Probably because they realise that normal people don't use their guns for crime, so if they want to push gun control, they need criminals to shoot people.....so they keep releasing them....

2) The democrat party keeps attacking the police.....driving the officers into not doing pro-active policing, cutting detective forces so that murders go unsolved..........

 

[2aguy]

Chauvin went to jail for murder.

Yeah.....and the verdict was wrong....the jury didn't want to be murdered by blm/antifa when they went home...

 

[otto105]

well...moron, you would have to explain the 27 years prior to 2015....when millions and millions of Americans not only bought new guns, but carried them in public, and the gun crime rate went down 75%...

How do you explain that, you moron....

And how do you explain the fact that in that same 27 years before 2015....gun murder went down 49%....

Guns and more guns led to a 75% decrease in gun crime and a 49% decrease in gun murder....

How do you explain that?


What happened in 2015?

The democrat party decided to make war on the police, and in 2020 their terrorist groups, blm/antifa, burned and looted cities and murdered 40 Americans as they continued their attacks on our police forces....

At the same time, the democrat party judges and prosecutors released violent criminals, with multiple gun crimes under their belts, and released the democrat party terrorists in blm/antifa......

Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 19.4 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2019...guess what happened...

New Concealed Carry Report For 2020: 19.48 Million Permit Holders, 820,000 More Than Last Year despite many states shutting down issuing permits because of the Coronavirus - Crime Prevention Research Center


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.


This means that access to guns does not create gun crime........

Why do our democrat party controlled cities have gun crime problems?

1) the democrat party keeps releasing violent gun offenders...they have created a revolving door for criminals who use guns, and will release even the most serious gun offenders over and over again....why? Probably because they realise that normal people don't use their guns for crime, so if they want to push gun control, they need criminals to shoot people.....so they keep releasing them....

2) The democrat party keeps attacking the police.....driving the officers into not doing pro-active policing, cutting detective forces so that murders go unsolved..........

The reduction in lead based paint, abortion and an aging US population.


Not some dude with a red rider BB gun.

 

[JoeB131]

Chauvin didn't cut off his air supply as the actual testimony demonstrated...you doofus...as was admitted by the prosecution witnesses...the knee was not on the neck....you moron....

he died because he overdosed on drugs and was dead before the cops arrived........the fentanyl, meth and other drugs ended his life, not Chauvin....that verdict was a disgrace.

The disgrace was the Chauvin still had a badge and a gun after all the other people of color he brutalized before that.

Shithead.......the cop wasn't responding to the idiot robbing the store....he told the idiot and his buddy to get out of the middle of the street, and brown tried to take his gun.......then, when told to stop, he charged the cop....as black witnesses stated to the grand jury...you moron.

Actually, wilson claimed he was responding to the robbery. It's kind of hard to follow because this guy has changed his story so many times you need a scorecard to keep track.

Jaywalking or shoplifting, shooting him after he ran away and had his hands up was excessive force.

Yeah.....and the verdict was wrong....the jury didn't want to be murdered by blm/antifa when they went home...

It shouldn't take that to get cops convicted of murder when they murder someone.

 

[otto105]

Yeah.....and the verdict was wrong....the jury didn't want to be murdered by blm/antifa when they went home...

The jury watched the video tape.

 

[2aguy]

The reduction in lead based paint, abortion and an aging US population.


Not some dude with a red rider BB gun.

Yeah......lame.

You say more guns, more gun crime...with lead paint, abortion and aging U.S. population....

27 years, more guns, less gun crime and less gun murder....

2015...democrats attack the police and release violent gun offenders from jail and prison...

Only morons like you can't understand that attacking the police then releasing violent gun offenders creates more crime, not less crime.

 

[2aguy]

The jury watched the video tape.

Yep......and it showed his knee across shoulder blade, not his neck........they were terrified they would be murdered when they went home......the verdict was a disgrace.