Why murder rose 29% last year....no, it isn't guns. The democrat war on police is a major problem.

[2aguy]

The disgrace was the Chauvin still had a badge and a gun after all the other people of color he brutalized before that.



Actually, wilson claimed he was responding to the robbery. It's kind of hard to follow because this guy has changed his story so many times you need a scorecard to keep track.

Jaywalking or shoplifting, shooting him after he ran away and had his hands up was excessive force.



It shouldn't take that to get cops convicted of murder when they murder someone.

Black eye witnesses told the grand jury that brown charged the officer.....his hands weren't up, you lying dirt bag....

 

[otto105]

Yeah......lame.

You say more guns, more gun crime...with lead paint, abortion and aging U.S. population....

27 years, more guns, less gun crime and less gun murder....

2015...democrats attack the police and release violent gun offenders from jail and prison...

Only morons like you can't understand that attacking the police then releasing violent gun offenders creates more crime, not less crime.

More guns create more gun crimes.

Just like Perdue pharma pushing more opioids on white maga fuckups created millions of white opioid addicted fuckups, not less.

 

[otto105]

Yep......and it showed his knee across shoulder blade, not his neck........they were terrified they would be murdered when they went home......the verdict was a disgrace.

It showed everyone who watched it who murdered George Floyd.

That guys is in jail soon to be followed by other officers.

 

[2aguy]

More guns create more gun crimes.

Just like Perdue pharma pushing more opioids on white maga fuckups created millions of white opioid addicted fuckups, not less.

Again......since you are too stupid to understand it the first time...

How do you explain that, you moron....

And how do you explain the fact that in that same 27 years before 2015....gun murder went down 49%....

Guns and more guns led to a 75% decrease in gun crime and a 49% decrease in gun murder....

How do you explain that?


What happened in 2015?

The democrat party decided to make war on the police, and in 2020 their terrorist groups, blm/antifa, burned and looted cities and murdered 40 Americans as they continued their attacks on our police forces....

At the same time, the democrat party judges and prosecutors released violent criminals, with multiple gun crimes under their belts, and released the democrat party terrorists in blm/antifa......

Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 19.4 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2019...guess what happened...

New Concealed Carry Report For 2020: 19.48 Million Permit Holders, 820,000 More Than Last Year despite many states shutting down issuing permits because of the Coronavirus - Crime Prevention Research Center


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.


This means that access to guns does not create gun crime........

Why do our democrat party controlled cities have gun crime problems?

1) the democrat party keeps releasing violent gun offenders...they have created a revolving door for criminals who use guns, and will release even the most serious gun offenders over and over again....why? Probably because they realise that normal people don't use their guns for crime, so if they want to push gun control, they need criminals to shoot people.....so they keep releasing them....

2) The democrat party keeps attacking the police.....driving the officers into not doing pro-active policing, cutting detective forces so that murders go unsolved..........

 

[otto105]

Again......since you are too stupid to understand it the first time...

How do you explain that, you moron....

And how do you explain the fact that in that same 27 years before 2015....gun murder went down 49%....

Guns and more guns led to a 75% decrease in gun crime and a 49% decrease in gun murder....

How do you explain that?


What happened in 2015?

The democrat party decided to make war on the police, and in 2020 their terrorist groups, blm/antifa, burned and looted cities and murdered 40 Americans as they continued their attacks on our police forces....

At the same time, the democrat party judges and prosecutors released violent criminals, with multiple gun crimes under their belts, and released the democrat party terrorists in blm/antifa......

Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 19.4 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2019...guess what happened...

New Concealed Carry Report For 2020: 19.48 Million Permit Holders, 820,000 More Than Last Year despite many states shutting down issuing permits because of the Coronavirus - Crime Prevention Research Center


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.


This means that access to guns does not create gun crime........

Why do our democrat party controlled cities have gun crime problems?

1) the democrat party keeps releasing violent gun offenders...they have created a revolving door for criminals who use guns, and will release even the most serious gun offenders over and over again....why? Probably because they realise that normal people don't use their guns for crime, so if they want to push gun control, they need criminals to shoot people.....so they keep releasing them....

2) The democrat party keeps attacking the police.....driving the officers into not doing pro-active policing, cutting detective forces so that murders go unsolved..........

A reduction in lead based paint, abortion and an aging US population.

 

[2aguy]

A reduction in lead based paint, abortion and an aging US population.

Again....

And how do you explain the fact that in that same 27 years before 2015....gun murder went down 49%....

Guns and more guns led to a 75% decrease in gun crime and a 49% decrease in gun murder....

How do you explain that?


What happened in 2015?

The democrat party decided to make war on the police, and in 2020 their terrorist groups, blm/antifa, burned and looted cities and murdered 40 Americans as they continued their attacks on our police forces....

At the same time, the democrat party judges and prosecutors released violent criminals, with multiple gun crimes under their belts, and released the democrat party terrorists in blm/antifa......

Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 19.4 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2019...guess what happened...

New Concealed Carry Report For 2020: 19.48 Million Permit Holders, 820,000 More Than Last Year despite many states shutting down issuing permits because of the Coronavirus - Crime Prevention Research Center


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.


This means that access to guns does not create gun crime........

Why do our democrat party controlled cities have gun crime problems?

1) the democrat party keeps releasing violent gun offenders...they have created a revolving door for criminals who use guns, and will release even the most serious gun offenders over and over again....why? Probably because they realise that normal people don't use their guns for crime, so if they want to push gun control, they need criminals to shoot people.....so they keep releasing them....

2) The democrat party keeps attacking the police.....driving the officers into not doing pro-active policing, cutting detective forces so that murders go unsolved..........

A woman

 

[2aguy]

The disgrace was the Chauvin still had a badge and a gun after all the other people of color he brutalized before that.



Actually, wilson claimed he was responding to the robbery. It's kind of hard to follow because this guy has changed his story so many times you need a scorecard to keep track.

Jaywalking or shoplifting, shooting him after he ran away and had his hands up was excessive force.



It shouldn't take that to get cops convicted of murder when they murder someone.

Moron...

Yet the Department of Justice’s March 4, 2015, investigative report on the shooting of Michael Brown found federal investigators could not confirm witness accounts that Brown signaled surrender before being killed execution-style.

The department’s descriptions of about 40 witness testimonies show the original claims that Brown had his hands up were not accurate.

Some witnesses who claimed they saw Brown’s hands raised had testimonies that were inconsistent with physical and forensic evidence.

Some admitted to federal investigators they felt pressured to retell the narrative that was being spread after Brown’s shooting. Others recanted their initial testimonies saying they had heard it through media reports or via social media. A few witnesses said Brown had his hands out to his side with his palms up, as if saying “What?” Others said Brown’s hands were not raised, as he was charging at Wilson. A few said Brown’s hands were “balled up.”

Investigators narrowed down the “hands up” claim to a witness – Witness 128 – who had told his family and neighbors his inaccurate version of events as crowds gathered minutes and hours after the shooting, the report says. Another witness could not confirm what she saw because of her poor vision, but she heard a man running around the apartments along the street where Wilson shot Brown. The man was saying something to the effect of, “The police shot my friend and his hands were up.” The witness said that “quickly became the narrative on the street, and to her frustration, people used it both as an excuse to riot and to create a ‘block party’ atmosphere.”
A key passage from the report:

Investigators tracked down several individuals who, via the aforementioned media, claimed to have witnessed Wilson shooting Brown as Brown held his hands up in clear surrender. All of these purported witnesses, upon being interviewed by law enforcement, acknowledged that they did not actually witness the shooting, but rather repeated what others told them in the immediate aftermath of the shooting. …


Witness accounts suggesting that Brown was standing still with his hands raised in an unambiguous signal of surrender when Wilson shot Brown are inconsistent with the physical evidence, are otherwise not credible because of internal inconsistencies, or are not credible because of inconsistencies with other credible evidence. In contrast, Wilson’s account of Brown’s actions, if true, would establish that the shootings were not objectively unreasonable under the relevant Constitutional standards governing an officer’s use of deadly force.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/03/19/hands-up-dont-shoot-did-not-happen-in-ferguson/

 

[otto105]

Again....

And how do you explain the fact that in that same 27 years before 2015....gun murder went down 49%....

Guns and more guns led to a 75% decrease in gun crime and a 49% decrease in gun murder....

How do you explain that?


What happened in 2015?

The democrat party decided to make war on the police, and in 2020 their terrorist groups, blm/antifa, burned and looted cities and murdered 40 Americans as they continued their attacks on our police forces....

At the same time, the democrat party judges and prosecutors released violent criminals, with multiple gun crimes under their belts, and released the democrat party terrorists in blm/antifa......

Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 19.4 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2019...guess what happened...

New Concealed Carry Report For 2020: 19.48 Million Permit Holders, 820,000 More Than Last Year despite many states shutting down issuing permits because of the Coronavirus - Crime Prevention Research Center


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.


This means that access to guns does not create gun crime........

Why do our democrat party controlled cities have gun crime problems?

1) the democrat party keeps releasing violent gun offenders...they have created a revolving door for criminals who use guns, and will release even the most serious gun offenders over and over again....why? Probably because they realise that normal people don't use their guns for crime, so if they want to push gun control, they need criminals to shoot people.....so they keep releasing them....

2) The democrat party keeps attacking the police.....driving the officers into not doing pro-active policing, cutting detective forces so that murders go unsolved..........

A woman

A reduction in lead based paint, abortion and an aging US population.

 

[2aguy]

A reduction in lead based paint, abortion and an aging US population.

Again....

And how do you explain the fact that in that same 27 years before 2015....gun murder went down 49%....

Guns and more guns led to a 75% decrease in gun crime and a 49% decrease in gun murder....

How do you explain that?


What happened in 2015?

The democrat party decided to make war on the police, and in 2020 their terrorist groups, blm/antifa, burned and looted cities and murdered 40 Americans as they continued their attacks on our police forces....

At the same time, the democrat party judges and prosecutors released violent criminals, with multiple gun crimes under their belts, and released the democrat party terrorists in blm/antifa......

Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 19.4 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2019...guess what happened...

New Concealed Carry Report For 2020: 19.48 Million Permit Holders, 820,000 More Than Last Year despite many states shutting down issuing permits because of the Coronavirus - Crime Prevention Research Center


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.


This means that access to guns does not create gun crime........

Why do our democrat party controlled cities have gun crime problems?

1) the democrat party keeps releasing violent gun offenders...they have created a revolving door for criminals who use guns, and will release even the most serious gun offenders over and over again....why? Probably because they realise that normal people don't use their guns for crime, so if they want to push gun control, they need criminals to shoot people.....so they keep releasing them....

2) The democrat party keeps attacking the police.....driving the officers into not doing pro-active policing, cutting detective forces so that murders go unsolved..........

 

[otto105]

Again....

And how do you explain the fact that in that same 27 years before 2015....gun murder went down 49%....

Guns and more guns led to a 75% decrease in gun crime and a 49% decrease in gun murder....

How do you explain that?


What happened in 2015?

The democrat party decided to make war on the police, and in 2020 their terrorist groups, blm/antifa, burned and looted cities and murdered 40 Americans as they continued their attacks on our police forces....

At the same time, the democrat party judges and prosecutors released violent criminals, with multiple gun crimes under their belts, and released the democrat party terrorists in blm/antifa......

Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 19.4 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2019...guess what happened...

New Concealed Carry Report For 2020: 19.48 Million Permit Holders, 820,000 More Than Last Year despite many states shutting down issuing permits because of the Coronavirus - Crime Prevention Research Center


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.


This means that access to guns does not create gun crime........

Why do our democrat party controlled cities have gun crime problems?

1) the democrat party keeps releasing violent gun offenders...they have created a revolving door for criminals who use guns, and will release even the most serious gun offenders over and over again....why? Probably because they realise that normal people don't use their guns for crime, so if they want to push gun control, they need criminals to shoot people.....so they keep releasing them....

2) The democrat party keeps attacking the police.....driving the officers into not doing pro-active policing, cutting detective forces so that murders go unsolved..........

The reduction in lead based paint, abortion and an aging US population.


Not some dude with a red rider BB gun.

 

[Oldestyle]

The disgrace was the Chauvin still had a badge and a gun after all the other people of color he brutalized before that.



Actually, wilson claimed he was responding to the robbery. It's kind of hard to follow because this guy has changed his story so many times you need a scorecard to keep track.

Jaywalking or shoplifting, shooting him after he ran away and had his hands up was excessive force.



It shouldn't take that to get cops convicted of murder when they murder someone.

It's amusing how you keep trotting out that fake narrative that Michael Brown had his hands up. The truth is that he had turned and was coming back at the Police officer that he had just assaulted. Why is it, Joey that all of your "examples" need to be enhanced with untruths?

 

[JoeB131]

2015...democrats attack the police and release violent gun offenders from jail and prison...

Only morons like you can't understand that attacking the police then releasing violent gun offenders creates more crime, not less crime.

We lock up 2 million people. If locking people up and guns were the answer, we'd have the least amount of crime in the industrialized world, not the most.

 

[JoeB131]

It's amusing how you keep trotting out that fake narrative that Michael Brown had his hands up. The truth is that he had turned and was coming back at the Police officer that he had just assaulted. Why is it, Joey that all of your "examples" need to be enhanced with untruths?

16 witnesses said he had his hands up.

 

[JoeB131]

Black eye witnesses told the grand jury that brown charged the officer.....his hands weren't up, you lying dirt bag....

16 witnesses said he had his hands up.

 

[Oldestyle]

16 witnesses said he had his hands up.

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What that "proves", Joey is that eyewitness testimony is often faulty! Look at the responses and it's obvious that all of these people saw or heard the same thing happening and yet have completely different recollections!
The most reliable evidence was the Coroner's report which proved that Brown was shot at close range initially while struggling with the Police officer inside of the cruiser and that he was facing the Police officer with his hands DOWN and coming at the officer when the fatal shots were fired!

 

[JoeB131]

What that "proves", Joey is that eyewitness testimony is often faulty! Look at the responses and it's obvious that all of these people saw or heard the same thing happening and yet have completely different recollections!

No, it shows 16 people said he had his hands up, but Wilson said he didn't. That's the kind of issue you sort out at a trial, not a grand jury where the prosecutor rigs the proceedings.

The most reliable evidence was the Coroner's report which proved that Brown was shot at close range initially while struggling with the Police officer inside of the cruiser and that he was facing the Police officer with his hands DOWN and coming at the officer when the fatal shots were fired!

The shots that went off in the police car aren't at issue here.

The six shots that killed Brown, when he HAD HIS HANDS UP are the problem.

 

[Oldestyle]

No, it shows 16 people said he had his hands up, but Wilson said he didn't. That's the kind of issue you sort out at a trial, not a grand jury where the prosecutor rigs the proceedings.




The shots that went off in the police car aren't at issue here.

The six shots that killed Brown, when he HAD HIS HANDS UP are the problem.

Once again...you claim that he had his hands up while the Coroner's report quite clearly indicates that he did not!

 

[Oldestyle]

So why is it that you continually have to state as facts things that are obviously NOT?

 

[2aguy]

16 witnesses said he had his hands up.

View attachment 546791

As the story points out....they either said they didn't actually see the attack and repeated the story they heard, or they lied..........

Yet the Department of Justice’s March 4, 2015, investigative report on the shooting of Michael Brown found federal investigators could not confirm witness accounts that Brown signaled surrender before being killed execution-style.

The department’s descriptions of about 40 witness testimonies show the original claims that Brown had his hands up were not accurate.

Some witnesses who claimed they saw Brown’s hands raised had testimonies that were inconsistent with physical and forensic evidence.

Some admitted to federal investigators they felt pressured to retell the narrative that was being spread after Brown’s shooting. Others recanted their initial testimonies saying they had heard it through media reports or via social media. A few witnesses said Brown had his hands out to his side with his palms up, as if saying “What?” Others said Brown’s hands were not raised, as he was charging at Wilson. A few said Brown’s hands were “balled up.”

Investigators narrowed down the “hands up” claim to a witness – Witness 128 – who had told his family and neighbors his inaccurate version of events as crowds gathered minutes and hours after the shooting, the report says. Another witness could not confirm what she saw because of her poor vision, but she heard a man running around the apartments along the street where Wilson shot Brown. The man was saying something to the effect of, “The police shot my friend and his hands were up.” The witness said that “quickly became the narrative on the street, and to her frustration, people used it both as an excuse to riot and to create a ‘block party’ atmosphere.”
A key passage from the report:
Investigators tracked down several individuals who, via the aforementioned media, claimed to have witnessed Wilson shooting Brown as Brown held his hands up in clear surrender. All of these purported witnesses, upon being interviewed by law enforcement, acknowledged that they did not actually witness the shooting, but rather repeated what others told them in the immediate aftermath of the shooting. …


Witness accounts suggesting that Brown was standing still with his hands raised in an unambiguous signal of surrender when Wilson shot Brown are inconsistent with the physical evidence, are otherwise not credible because of internal inconsistencies, or are not credible because of inconsistencies with other credible evidence. In contrast, Wilson’s account of Brown’s actions, if true, would establish that the shootings were not objectively unreasonable under the relevant Constitutional standards governing an officer’s use of deadly force.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...nds-up-dont-shoot-did-not-happen-in-ferguson/

 

[2aguy]

What that "proves", Joey is that eyewitness testimony is often faulty! Look at the responses and it's obvious that all of these people saw or heard the same thing happening and yet have completely different recollections!
The most reliable evidence was the Coroner's report which proved that Brown was shot at close range initially while struggling with the Police officer inside of the cruiser and that he was facing the Police officer with his hands DOWN and coming at the officer when the fatal shots were fired!

The story I linked to at the Washington post states clearly that the "witnesses," repeated what they heard others say, which was untrue, or they just lied...

Yet the Department of Justice’s March 4, 2015, investigative report on the shooting of Michael Brown found federal investigators could not confirm witness accounts that Brown signaled surrender before being killed execution-style.

The department’s descriptions of about 40 witness testimonies show the original claims that Brown had his hands up were not accurate.

Some witnesses who claimed they saw Brown’s hands raised had testimonies that were inconsistent with physical and forensic evidence.

Some admitted to federal investigators they felt pressured to retell the narrative that was being spread after Brown’s shooting. Others recanted their initial testimonies saying they had heard it through media reports or via social media. A few witnesses said Brown had his hands out to his side with his palms up, as if saying “What?” Others said Brown’s hands were not raised, as he was charging at Wilson. A few said Brown’s hands were “balled up.”

Investigators narrowed down the “hands up” claim to a witness – Witness 128 – who had told his family and neighbors his inaccurate version of events as crowds gathered minutes and hours after the shooting, the report says. Another witness could not confirm what she saw because of her poor vision, but she heard a man running around the apartments along the street where Wilson shot Brown. The man was saying something to the effect of, “The police shot my friend and his hands were up.” The witness said that “quickly became the narrative on the street, and to her frustration, people used it both as an excuse to riot and to create a ‘block party’ atmosphere.”
A key passage from the report:
Investigators tracked down several individuals who, via the aforementioned media, claimed to have witnessed Wilson shooting Brown as Brown held his hands up in clear surrender. All of these purported witnesses, upon being interviewed by law enforcement, acknowledged that they did not actually witness the shooting, but rather repeated what others told them in the immediate aftermath of the shooting. …


Witness accounts suggesting that Brown was standing still with his hands raised in an unambiguous signal of surrender when Wilson shot Brown are inconsistent with the physical evidence, are otherwise not credible because of internal inconsistencies, or are not credible because of inconsistencies with other credible evidence. In contrast, Wilson’s account of Brown’s actions, if true, would establish that the shootings were not objectively unreasonable under the relevant Constitutional standards governing an officer’s use of deadly force.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...nds-up-dont-shoot-did-not-happen-in-ferguson/