Why Jordan Doesn't Want More Palestinians

[MJB12741]

The joke's on you. You demonstrate your ignorance regarding the history of the region every time you post your usual false non sequitur.

Yeah right. Love you man. Heh Heh!

Jordan - From 1967 to civil war | history - geography

 

[montelatici]

 

[MJB12741]

Aw gee! Did I hurt your feelings with the truth?

Jordan - From 1967 to civil war | history - geography

 

[montelatici]

What truth?

 

[RoccoR]

montelatici, et al,

For whatever reason, your information is a bit off.

• M. ORTS quoted the end of the declaration of Lord Cushendun:

"There should be no doubt at all in the minds of the members of the Council that my Government regards itself as responsible to the Council for the proper application in Trans-Jordan of all the provisions of the Palestine mandate, except those which have been excluded under Article 25."
SOURCE: Report of the PERMANENT MANDATES COMMISSION to the Council Paragraph 1929
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Jordan was never intended to be any part of Palestine and is not Palestine today. Palestinians that entered Jordan when evicted by the Jews from their homeland are not natives of Arabia Petrea, which is what the area Jordan now occupies was called.

(COMMENT)

Well, this is only part true.

Emir Abdullah soon succeeded in loosening the British mandate over Transjordan with an Anglo-Transjordanian treaty. On May 15, 1923, Britain formally recognized the Emirate of Transjordan as semi-autonomous under the leadership of Emir Abdullah.
SOURCE: History of Jordan by the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan
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But it was not until 1946 that the former Mandatory Power granted independence.

TREATY OF ALLIANCE BETWEEN HIS MAJESTY IN RESPECT OF THE UNITED KINGDOM AND HIS HIGHNESS THE AMIR OF TRANSJORDAN.
London, 22nd March, 1946,
ARTICLE 1.​

His Majesty The King recognized Transjordan as a fully independent State and His Highness The Amir as the sovereign thereof. There shall be perpetual peace and friendship between His Majesty The King and His Highness The Amir of Transjordan.
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It was never part of Palestine and prior to the British takeover through the mandate process, the territory was the southwestern portion of the Arab Kingdom of Syria, whose Hashemite King, Faisal the First, was overthrown by the French after the siege of Damascus 24 July, 1920.

(COMMENT)

Yes, part of this is correct. True, Prince Faisal did attempt to maintain Damascus. But Damsacus was in Area "A" of the Sykes-Picot Agreement.

It (Transjordan) was never part of Palestine (prior to the British Administration) because Territory of Palestine was not determined by the Allied Powers until much later (French and British governments on 7 March 1923). However, it was in the "B" (South) Area of the Sykes-Picot Agreement. It was Territory under the Occupied Enemy Territory Administration (Levantine and Mesopotamian provinces of the former Ottoman Empire) from the Mudros Armistice in 30 October 1918 until the transition to the Civil Administration 1 July 1920.

The native Jordanians are members of recognized Bedouin tribes, the Palestinians in Jordan are Levantine people they are not not members of Bedouin tribes.

(COMMENT)

Yes, so what does this mean. Surely it was not a reason for the Palestinians to force a Civil War.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[montelatici]

The best thing for Israel would have been if the Palestinians had won the war against the Hashemites. Not a good deal for the Bedouin natives of Jordan, but good for the Israelis as Jordan would have become the state for Palestinians and not for the Bedouins and their Hashemite rulers. Then the insurgency would have been by the Bedouin natives against the Palestinians. It is probable that the Palestinians still in Palestine would have migrated to a renamed Jordan.

 

[Boston1]

Best thing for the Arab Muslims in Israel is if they would have played nice from the start.

Imagine the prosperity and success of the Israeli state had the Arabs not reacted like such idiots.

The prosperity and success of Israel is astounding anyway. But had the Arab Muslims decided to play nice, they would be sitting just as pretty as the Israeli's right now.

 

[Phoenall]

I did it said look at montelatici

 

[MJB12741]

Best thing for the Arab Muslims in Israel is if they would have played nice from the start.

Imagine the prosperity and success of the Israeli state had the Arabs not reacted like such idiots.

The prosperity and success of Israel is astounding anyway. But had the Arab Muslims decided to play nice, they would be sitting just as pretty as the Israeli's right now.

Yes, the Pali's would also have received world wide praise for contributions to better mankind & civilization.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Best thing for the Arab Muslims in Israel is if they would have played nice from the start.

Imagine the prosperity and success of the Israeli state had the Arabs not reacted like such idiots.

The prosperity and success of Israel is astounding anyway. But had the Arab Muslims decided to play nice, they would be sitting just as pretty as the Israeli's right now.

Yes, the Pali's would also have received world wide praise for contributions to better mankind & civilization.

The Palestinians will say that they can't contribute to mankind while they are under "occupation". Truth is they're part of the larger Arab-Muslim Nation that doesn't contribute to mankind at all.

 

[MJB12741]

Best thing for the Arab Muslims in Israel is if they would have played nice from the start.

Imagine the prosperity and success of the Israeli state had the Arabs not reacted like such idiots.

The prosperity and success of Israel is astounding anyway. But had the Arab Muslims decided to play nice, they would be sitting just as pretty as the Israeli's right now.

Yes, the Pali's would also have received world wide praise for contributions to better mankind & civilization.

The Palestinians will say that they can't contribute to mankind while they are under "occupation". Truth is they're part of the larger Arab-Muslim Nation that doesn't contribute to mankind at all.

Yes, that's bunk. What contributions have Palestinians ever made to peace, mankind & civilization prior to 1948?

 

[Roudy]

Wait, so why again didn't anybody bring up the question of this mythical Palestine and Palestinian people when Egypt and Jordan controlled or "occupied" the West Bank and Gaza for 20 years from 1948 to 1967? How come no "Palestinians" came forward asking the Jordanians and Egyptians "leave their land"? Maybe because it wasn't? Or maybe Palestinian is a recently invented name so that Arab Muslims can continue their quest to destroy the Jewish state?

 

[montelatici]

Wait, so why again didn't anybody bring up the question of this mythical Palestine and Palestinian people when Egypt and Jordan controlled or "occupied" the West Bank and Gaza for 20 years from 1948 to 1967? How come no "Palestinians" came forward asking the Jordanians and Egyptians "leave their land"? Maybe because it wasn't? Or maybe Palestinian is a recently invented name so that Arab Muslims can continue their quest to destroy the Jewish state?

The Palestinians behaved in the same violent way against the British and European Jews who they felt were occupiers during the various uprisings during the Mandate, the 1936 uprising, for example. The Palestinian Muslims and Christians called themselves Palestinians and the British referred to them as such in correspondence when the Palestinians demanded independence in the early 1920s, so as usual, you are full of crap, spouting propaganda.

The Jordanians annexed the territory and enfranchised all Christians and Muslims so it wasn't an occupation, but there was resistance against the Jordanians nevertheless. I believe a Palestinian assassinated the then King of Jordan, King Hussein's father.

 

[Roudy]

Wait, so why again didn't anybody bring up the question of this mythical Palestine and Palestinian people when Egypt and Jordan controlled or "occupied" the West Bank and Gaza for 20 years from 1948 to 1967? How come no "Palestinians" came forward asking the Jordanians and Egyptians "leave their land"? Maybe because it wasn't? Or maybe Palestinian is a recently invented name so that Arab Muslims can continue their quest to destroy the Jewish state?

The Palestinians behaved in the same violent way against the British and European Jews who they felt were occupiers during the various uprisings during the Mandate, the 1936 uprising, for example. The Palestinian Muslims and Christians called themselves Palestinians and the British referred to them as such in correspondence when the Palestinians demanded independence in the early 1920s, so as usual, you are full of crap, spouting propaganda.

The Jordanians annexed the territory and enfranchised all Christians and Muslims so it wasn't an occupation, but there was resistance against the Jordanians nevertheless. I believe a Palestinian assassinated the then King of Jordan, King Hussein's father.

Wrong wrong wrong. The Jordanians and Egyptians told the squatting Arabs who later called themselves "Palestinians" to get out of the way so that they could rid the land of the dirty Jews. When they failed, they put the same squatting Arabs in "concentration camp style conditions" for twenty years and not a peep about anything from anybody. The Palestinian and Arab leaders are on record over this.

“The Arab armies entered Palestine to protect the Palestinians from the Zionist tyranny but, instead, they abandoned them, forced them to emigrate and to leave their homeland, and threw them into prisons similar to the ghettos in which the Jews used to live.”

— Palestinian Authority (then) Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen) (Falastin a-Thaura, (March 1976)

Sir John Troutbeck, British Middle East Office in Cairo, noted in cables to superiors (1948-49) that the refugees (in Gaza) have no bitterness against Jews, but harbor intense hatred toward Egyptians: "They say 'we know who our enemies are (referring to the Egyptians)', declaring that their Arab brethren persuaded them unnecessarily to leave their homes…I even heard it said that many of the refugees would give a welcome to the Israelis if they were to come in and take the district over."

 

[montelatici]

What does that have to do with the Palestinian revolts against the British and Zionists during the Mandate.

Everyone knows that the Arab armies were unable to prevent the Zionists from evicting the native Palestinians from homes and land. What's your point.

 

[Roudy]

It has everything to do with it, the Jordanians, Egyptians and other Arab countries attacked Israel not to create this fake Palestine, but to destroy Israel and divide it among themselves. When the attack failed they placed the Arabs who later called themselves Palestinians in concentration style conditions and occupied them for 20 years and yet, nobody brought up this mythical Palestine or Palestinian people.

It points that your cause is a hoax from top to bottom.

 

[montelatici]

The Arab states intervened to prevent the takeover of Palestine and the eviction of the non-Jews by the Zionists. They were unable to do so. The Muslims and Christians called themselves Palestinians at least since the Mandate was signed. They were Palaestinesi during Roman rule. What are you on about. This constant lying of yours gets tiresome.

 

[Hollie]

The Arab states intervened to prevent the takeover of Palestine and the eviction of the non-Jews by the Zionists. They were unable to do so. The Muslims and Christians called themselves Palestinians at least since the Mandate was signed. They were Palaestinesi during Roman rule. What are you on about. This constant lying of yours gets tiresome.

My goodness but this is so silly. The Arabs never intervened as you falsely tried to portray it. The various Arab-Moslem armies were on a Jew elimination Crusade. It was the Egyptian, Syrian and Lebaneses arab squatters / land grabbers who were pushed aside so the Arab-Moslems could complete their hoped for task of pushing the Jews into the sea with rifle fire.

Aa it was in 1948 and successive wars that were initiated by the muhammedan armies, they faced an Israeli military with better tactics, better training and better weapons. As a result, the Arabs-Moslems faced humiliating losses.

 

[montelatici]

You have a great imagination. But, British intelligence knew what was up and recently de-classified documents confirm that the intervention of the Arab armies were the native Muslim's and Christian's only hope to avoid being massacred and expelled by the European Zionists.

British officials predicted war – and Arab defeat – in Palestine in 1948

 

[Hollie]

You have a great imagination. But, British intelligence knew what was up and recently de-classified documents confirm that the intervention of the Arab armies were the native Muslim's and Christian's only hope to avoid being massacred and expelled by the European Zionists.

British officials predicted war – and Arab defeat – in Palestine in 1948

Your cutting and pasting of the same material across multiple threads is typically pointless and time wasting. Especially in the context of my comments, you're simply cutting and pasting in an effort to spam the thread.

As I noted, your failed attempt to portray the Arab-Moslem armies in 1948 and successive wars As some intervention is juvenile and hopelessly pointless. The Arab-Moslem wars of hoped for Jew annihilation were utter failures.