Why Isn't 20,000 Border Patrol Agents Enough

[Markle]

Trump wants 15,000 more agents on the southern border. The border is 2,000 miles. That means there would be 18 agents for ever mile of border or an agent for every 290 feet. This seems like a big overkill when you consider the difficulty in crossing large portions of the border and the technology we have available today to detect and track intruders.

You have nothing to do but be a troll, do you?

 

[easyt65]

Trump wants 15,000 more agents on the southern border. The border is 2,000 miles. That means there would be 18 agents for ever mile of border or an agent for every 290 feet. This seems like a big overkill when you consider the difficulty in crossing large portions of the border and the technology we have available today to detect and track intruders.

18 BPAs per mile ... Working 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year ... Catching and releasing illegals into the US...

Brilliant....you've thought of everything. Nice job.

 

[Markle]

lso, are all of those agents actually in the field? or do some of them handle other duties? Seems that the answer lies with the people who do the job. They can probably determine how many people they need.

As well as to whether or not a wall/fence/barrier would make them more effective and their job easier.

 

[Markle]

Trump wants 15,000 more agents on the southern border. The border is 2,000 miles. That means there would be 18 agents for ever mile of border or an agent for every 290 feet. This seems like a big overkill when you consider the difficulty in crossing large portions of the border and the technology we have available today to detect and track intruders.

I know right? They all work 24 hours a day 7 days a week with no sick leave time off and no supervisors and no sleep!

With 3 shifts, it's 6 agents per mile, assume supervision and administration and we end up with say 5 agents per mile. Of course as you pointed out we have 1300 miles of natural border which should require less patrolling.

Are you trying to be foolish and argumentative or does it just come naturally to you?

 

[Markle]

Another 242 picked up yesterday, where those barriers previously funded keep no one out-


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West of the port of Lukeville.
A soldier working on securing some more of the border was struck by a large rock thrown from Mexico that hit him in the head. He was hospitalized, but will recover.

Trump wants 15,000 more agents on the southern border. The border is 2,000 miles. That means there would be 18 agents for ever mile of border or an agent for every 290 feet. This seems like a big overkill when you consider the difficulty in crossing large portions of the border and the technology we have available today to detect and track intruders.

Border patrol do not just patrol at the border. You'll find border patrol further in as well, sometimes, up to 70 to 100 miles away from the border. Maybe even further.

That's a lot of territory to cover.

I know when I worked out of corpus christi, our territory would take us to pharr Texas, pretty much to the border. There is a border patrol checkpoint about 60 miles north of the border, and you would see border patrol vehicles up to, and beyond falfurias, which is 73 miles away from the border.


There are a few of those border checkpoints on various highways, apart from the agents who patrol that whole area, and this is just in south Texas.

The Border Patrol should be protecting the border. The primary reason you find so much of the border patrol 25 to 100 miles away from the border is because they fail to apprehend migrants at the border, the surest and easiest place to apprehend them. In the past that was not a consideration because we couldn't get enough people, border barriers, intrusion monitoring, or fast access to all parts of the border.

With the emphasis on border security by the president and congress looking for a compromise to keep government open, a comprehensive security package including appropriate border barriers, roads, intrusion monitoring and surveillance, and personnel if needed seems possible.

Yep, a 6' hog wire fence will certainly keep out at least 95% of all people.

Glad to see you support a 30', very difficult wall.

 

[Vandalshandle]

This is a picture of the US border portal at Lake of the Woods, Minnesota:

 

[Markle]

Build the damn wall.

I can understand you not wanting to give more jobs to Americans.......that seems to be a conservative republican theme.

Then kindly explain how it has happened that under the brilliant leadership of President Donald Trump. We have record low unemployment for blacks and brown people. Record low employment records overall and more jobs than there are to workers to fill those jobs?

 

[Markle]

A lot. They start around $50,000 but go up to about $120,000, which are probably supervisors and administrators. Benefits are about 25% of base pay. However, working as a border patrol agent is often very dangerous because there are so many hazards that can affect you on a daily basis. Most of the border patrol today are Hispanics and 95% are men.

Thank you, all of your points don't strongly, but overwhelmingly support building an effective wall/fence/barrier to help the Border Patrol do their job.

 

[Markle]

What is wrong with hiring a bunch more agents? Answer is nothing.

Filling positions is not that easy. 10% of the positions are now vacant. The attrition rate is over twice that of other federal law enforcement.

Thank you, all the MORE reasons for an effective, complete wall/fence/barrier!

 

[Markle]

Even with a wall the increase needs to happen.

The wall that trump is proposing to build will cover only 10% of the border and it will take years to complete, assuming it ever get's funded.

Please show us where President Donald Trump has stated that he wants the fence to cover only 10% of the border. Your reliable source and a working link will be appreciated!

How long did it take to finish the Statue of Liberty? The Freedom Tower? Panama Canal? Cross country railroad?

If they never started, how complete would they have been in say ten years?

 

[easyt65]

Everywhere a barrier / wall is used illegal border crossing and crossing attempts goes down by 90%. That means less BPAs are needed.

When 100+ illegals tunnel under the wall or climb over it, instead of taking them into custody, processing them, giving them a court day a year later, and releasing them into the US they should be photographed, finger printed, taken back to the border, and released into Mexico with the warning if they return and are caught illegally entering the US again they will immediately go to jail, their kids taken from them, and the children will be turned over to orphanages in their home countries or in Mexico.

End the incentives for illegal immigration to continue. Do not reward criminals who have no respect for laws, not just ours, or this country.

 

[Siete]

Trump has his candyass drones running so scared 100,000 BP agents wouldn't be enough.

 

[Markle]

With 20,000 border patrol and 15,000 new ones, there no reason why you can't have have a patrols 5-10 minutes apart for the entire length of the border, 24 hours a day if needed.

Who mans all the current border crossings today?

Who handles and controls all the traffic? Who inspects each car with the mirror to see if there is anything under the car, truck or whatever? Who handles the dogs? Who mans and guards all the facilities for holding illegal aliens?

Is this one of your places where you have one person, with two others within a mile on either side?

 

[Markle]

The reason that 20,000 BP people are not enough is that Latinos need jobs, and the BP only hires bilinguals.

Did the post above make sense in your mind? Because it sure does not in print!

 

[toobfreak]

Trump wants 15,000 more agents on the southern border. The border is 2,000 miles. That means there would be 18 agents for ever mile of border or an agent for every 290 feet. This seems like a big overkill when you consider the difficulty in crossing large portions of the border and the technology we have available today to detect and track intruders.

Where the hell did YOU learn math? People work an 8 hour shift. Assuming three shifts a day with no sickness, absentees or vacations, that means 6,600 agents ON DUTY at any given time. Spread over 2000 miles, that is one agent every 3.3 miles. If they ride in teams of two, then that is one vehicle every 6.7 miles. At that scarcity, it is a wonder they ever catch anyone at all.

It doesn’t work that way. There are 700 miles already with walls. Southern border is dotted with thousands of ground sensors. CBP agents know where and when there are movements.
You may want to read the total number apprehensions at the southern border.


U.S. Border Patrol Southwest Border Apprehensions by Sector FY2018 | U.S. Customs and Border Protection

Border Surveillance Systems (BSS)

U.S.-Mexico border apprehensions increased in 2018 | Pew Research Center

The U.S. Border Patrol apprehended nearly 400,000 people crossing the Mexico-U.S. border in fiscal 2018, up roughly 100,000 from the prior year, driven in large part by Central American families seeking to enter the United States.

Yes but the problem is that we shouldn't be apprehending anyone at all. Our law forces us to keep them then process them through our system which costs a fortune and takes forever. We can't even arrest the adults without people whining about the kids being well-kept in separate facilities. They want them to have soft beds and color TV, too. We need a real wall at the border (those 700 miles you speak of are apparently as porous as Swiss cheese), that largely stops these people from walking in in the first place, then when those that still get in are caught, turn them right around and boot them back to Mexico so they stop coming here.

It is the success rate of getting INTO the country and the likely chance of staying here that has them all trying.

 

[sparky]

~S~

 

[Darkwind]

Trump wants 15,000 more agents on the southern border. The border is 2,000 miles. That means there would be 18 agents for ever mile of border or an agent for every 290 feet. This seems like a big overkill when you consider the difficulty in crossing large portions of the border and the technology we have available today to detect and track intruders.

I know right? They all work 24 hours a day 7 days a week with no sick leave time off and no supervisors and no sleep!

You beat Me to it. I would add that they only have one shift and never go home!

 

[sparky]

the eve of the most expensive piece of useless American infastructure is upon us

~S~

 

[Indeependent]

Figure in 3-shifts, vacation & sick time, retirements, training, etc.

Trump wants 15,000 more agents on the southern border. The border is 2,000 miles. That means there would be 18 agents for ever mile of border or an agent for every 290 feet. This seems like a big overkill when you consider the difficulty in crossing large portions of the border and the technology we have available today to detect and track intruders.

Check your math. 2000 mi x 5280' / 15,000 = 704' x 3-shifts = 2100' avg spacing. Except we need many more at POAs, etc. Its not overkill. Also, we don't want them patrolling alone, so in pairs its 4,200' per pair of agents. That spacing can easily double figuring the workforce needed at POAs.

Also, are all of those agents actually in the field? or do some of them handle other duties? Seems that the answer lies with the people who do the job. They can probably determine how many people they need.

Having worked for the government, that number always seems to be 50% more than the number assigned.

How long before you were fired?

 

[Flopper]

No one is under the impression that the wall is the end all for illegal migration.
But, it is part of the solution, a wall and electronics is a formidable blend to reduce illegal immigration to a trickle. It would make life a lot more manageable for the border patrol.

Building a wall was Trump's answer to ending illegal immigrated. You're probably correct, no one really believes it will stop illegal immigration now. In fact, almost everyday Trump back-peddles. The big beautiful concrete wall across our southern border has shrunk to a reinforced slatted fence, to span a thousand miles, then 700 miles, now just over 200 miles.

Pelosi has resurrected the technology wall which was part of the Obama immigration reform which never got through congress.

You misrepresented or just didn't understand what I posted.
People who work the border say the wall does work. I will always go with the people with their boots on the ground, than those
who reside in Washington DC.
Pelosi's electronic fence doesn't stop anything. All it does is alert of a breach at the border. It doesn't stop illegals, or even slow them down.
If it takes 20 min. for the border patrol to get to the area of the breach, the illegals are long gone.
This isn't rocket science and it doesn't have to be, just some common sense will suffice.

With 20,000 border patrol and 15,000 new ones, there no reason why you can't have have a patrols 5-10 minutes apart for the entire length of the border, 24 hours a day if needed.

You've done the math on that, have you? Or, is it a guess, Flopper?
Again, I go back to what the professionals.....the ones with the boots on the ground say.
Seems you go by what Pelosi says.

Asking someone who is responsible for protecting the border if they want a border wall is like asking the farmer who is protecting the chicken coop if he would like to have a better fence. The answer is always going to be yes.

Border barriers are just one of many ways of reducing illegal immigration.