Why Islam Is More Violent Than Christianity

Isn't it something that the Scriptures detail that Christians will be beheaded in the end times for refusing to take the Mark of the Beast or for refusing to bow to his image? Isn't something to think about when these radical Islamist fanatics behead Christians?
 
Question: Relevance?


Answer -- because the thread is about idiots who try to foist the notion that here is little or no discernible differences between Islam and Christianity.

You actually need this explained?


No one said there wasnt any difference between the two, If someone did thats dumb, but I havent seen anyone ever say that




You should get out more.

The juxtaposition is the first default of the apologists.


Sorry I dont get out more. Who then said Christianity and Islam are the same?



Post #3


Post #3 just says they are comparable. It says nothing about them being the same. Since I dont get out, can you show me?

Thanks!
 
OMG!

How long must I endure the apologists, the secular liars, trying to compare the horrific murderers and savages, the Islamists, to other groups, usually Christians?


When will Liberals run out of lies?



Tracinski does his usual masterful job in explaining the .....dichotomy.



1. "The Charlie Hebdo massacre once again has politicians and the media dancing around the question of whether there might be something a little bit special about this one particular religion, Islam, that causes its adherents to go around killing people.

2. It is not considered acceptable in polite company to entertain this possibility. Instead, it is necessary to insist, as a New York Times article does, that “Islam is no more inherently violent than other religions.”

3. .... all major religions have had violent periods, or periods in which the religion has coexisted with violence. Even those mellow pacifist Buddhists. ...

.... But in today’s context, it’s absurd to equate Islam and Christianity.

4. Pointing to the Spanish Inquisition tends to undermine the point rather than confirm it: if you have to look back three hundred years to find atrocities, it’s because there are so few of them today. The mass crimes committed under the name of Islam, by contrast, are fresh and openly boasted about.





5. As an atheist, I have no god in this fight, so to speak. I don’t think the differences between religions make one more valid than another. But as the Charlie Hedbo attack reminds us, there is a big practical difference between them.

6..... the best argument against the equivalence of Christianity and Islam is that no one acts even remotely as if this were true. We feel free to criticize and offend Christians without a second thought....but antagonizing Muslims takes courage.
More courage than a lot of secular types in the West can usually muster.





7. What are its root causes?

... the main danger posed by any religion to its dissenters and unbelievers lies in the rejection of reason, which cuts off the possibility of discussion and debate, leaving coercion as an acceptable substitute.... But all religions are different and have different doctrines which are shaped over their history—and as we shall see, that includes different views on precisely such core issues as the role of reason and persuasion.

8.....there are a number of big, widely documented differences between Christianity and Islam that can be seen in the traditions established by their history and in the actual content of their religious doctrines.


9. The life of Christ versus the life of Mohammed.
Mohammed was a conqueror who gained worldly political power in his lifetime and used it to persecute opponents and impose his religion. He also fully enjoyed the worldly perks of being a tyrant, including multiple wives.

Jesus, by contrast, was basically a pacifist whose whole purpose on earth was to allow himself to be tortured to death.

10. He even explicitly forbade his followers to use force to defend him. Here’s John,Chapter 18: “Then Simon Peter having a sword drew it, and smote the high priest’s servant, and cut off his right ear…. Then said Jesus unto Peter, Put up thy sword into the sheath: the cup which my Father hath given me, shall I not drink it?”
Why Islam Is More Violent Than Christianity

Islam is more violent because it was written by a Muslim 500 years ago during the Crusades when Christians and Jews will killing arabs.

But don't try to distance yourselves from them. Our religions have a very violent past too. Remember our argument about who's more murderous? How many atheists have killed anyone in the last 10 years? How many Christians (Bush) and Muslims (Bin Ladin & ISIS) have murdered in the name of their lord? I know you guys are afraid to go into GIHAD with the Muslim world but lets face it, that's what you are in. GIHAD baby! Holy war. FOR GOD.

Don't try to deny it. Just look at how right wing Christians in America want to go stomp out radical Islam. Tha's a fucking holy war. Will you Christians ever stop killing? Maybe one day when you kill all your enemies. You even want to go to war with Iran. Iran doesn't seem like much of a threat to me.
 
Radicals are violent. Radical Muslims, radical Christians, radical Jews, radical Hindus.

If all Muslims were inherently violent and dangerous, the faith would quickly burn out under the weight of all that violence.

Radical Christians burn crosses, lynch folks not to their peculiar liking and pervert the icons and teachings of Christianity to their own purposes. They call themselves the knights of the Ku Klux Klan. They are not examples of Christianity, but a political hate group and a criminal organization.

But they are a distinct minority in Christendom.

Can they be fairly compared to radical Islamists? Absolutely and quite fairly.
To the comment: 'If all Muslims were inherently violent and dangerous, the faith would quickly burn out under the weight of all that violence'
Quickly? No. But if allowed to run its course it will. Where is Sharia law realized? In the most decimated places on the planet. Before Sharia there must be scorched earth. Islam feeds on instability and is a destabilizing force.

Hello, PC. :biggrin: Don't think this makes us friends. :cheeky-smiley-018:

Has Communism burned out because of it is inherently violent and dangerous? Absolutely not. It's on the rise and working in tandem with Islam and Catholicism.
Really? Communism is stronger today than it was say thirty years ago? Care to point out how? Start in Warsaw.


Geeezzzz....how blind can you be???

They captured the White House!!!!
 
And we need not go back that far in history:

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."

Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

Excerpts from Mein Kampf Jewish Virtual Library



What is amazingly consistent, NYLiar pretends to believe the lies of other liars!

Is that a requirement of your club?
 
And we need not go back that far in history:

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."

Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

Excerpts from Mein Kampf Jewish Virtual Library

Even if he wasn't a real believer, he used religion to con his gullible Christian citizens with talk of god.

You have to say you believe in god in order to be President of the USA. Who knows if Bush really believed in God? He seemed like he did but maybe he was just a good actor. He certainly didn't have a problem lying us into a war and basically causing the death of thousands of people. In real life Bush is an arrogant greedy ignorant drunk and drug user and draft dodger who forced a woman to have an illegal abortion before roe v wade. Reagan and the GOP got in bed with the moral majority first and Bush really laid it on thick. His father did not and that cost him a 2nd term.

The dopey citizens of the USA and Germany in 1940 had something in common. They both believed in god. Germans are and were Catholics.
 
OMG!

How long must I endure the apologists, the secular liars, trying to compare the horrific murderers and savages, the Islamists, to other groups, usually Christians?


When will Liberals run out of lies?



Tracinski does his usual masterful job in explaining the .....dichotomy.



1. "The Charlie Hebdo massacre once again has politicians and the media dancing around the question of whether there might be something a little bit special about this one particular religion, Islam, that causes its adherents to go around killing people.

2. It is not considered acceptable in polite company to entertain this possibility. Instead, it is necessary to insist, as a New York Times article does, that “Islam is no more inherently violent than other religions.”

3. .... all major religions have had violent periods, or periods in which the religion has coexisted with violence. Even those mellow pacifist Buddhists. ...

.... But in today’s context, it’s absurd to equate Islam and Christianity.

4. Pointing to the Spanish Inquisition tends to undermine the point rather than confirm it: if you have to look back three hundred years to find atrocities, it’s because there are so few of them today. The mass crimes committed under the name of Islam, by contrast, are fresh and openly boasted about.





5. As an atheist, I have no god in this fight, so to speak. I don’t think the differences between religions make one more valid than another. But as the Charlie Hedbo attack reminds us, there is a big practical difference between them.

6..... the best argument against the equivalence of Christianity and Islam is that no one acts even remotely as if this were true. We feel free to criticize and offend Christians without a second thought....but antagonizing Muslims takes courage.
More courage than a lot of secular types in the West can usually muster.





7. What are its root causes?

... the main danger posed by any religion to its dissenters and unbelievers lies in the rejection of reason, which cuts off the possibility of discussion and debate, leaving coercion as an acceptable substitute.... But all religions are different and have different doctrines which are shaped over their history—and as we shall see, that includes different views on precisely such core issues as the role of reason and persuasion.

8.....there are a number of big, widely documented differences between Christianity and Islam that can be seen in the traditions established by their history and in the actual content of their religious doctrines.


9. The life of Christ versus the life of Mohammed.
Mohammed was a conqueror who gained worldly political power in his lifetime and used it to persecute opponents and impose his religion. He also fully enjoyed the worldly perks of being a tyrant, including multiple wives.

Jesus, by contrast, was basically a pacifist whose whole purpose on earth was to allow himself to be tortured to death.

10. He even explicitly forbade his followers to use force to defend him. Here’s John,Chapter 18: “Then Simon Peter having a sword drew it, and smote the high priest’s servant, and cut off his right ear…. Then said Jesus unto Peter, Put up thy sword into the sheath: the cup which my Father hath given me, shall I not drink it?”
Why Islam Is More Violent Than Christianity

Islam is more violent because it was written by a Muslim 500 years ago during the Crusades when Christians and Jews will killing arabs.

But don't try to distance yourselves from them. Our religions have a very violent past too. Remember our argument about who's more murderous? How many atheists have killed anyone in the last 10 years? How many Christians (Bush) and Muslims (Bin Ladin & ISIS) have murdered in the name of their lord? I know you guys are afraid to go into GIHAD with the Muslim world but lets face it, that's what you are in. GIHAD baby! Holy war. FOR GOD.

Don't try to deny it. Just look at how right wing Christians in America want to go stomp out radical Islam. Tha's a fucking holy war. Will you Christians ever stop killing? Maybe one day when you kill all your enemies. You even want to go to war with Iran. Iran doesn't seem like much of a threat to me.



What an imbecile.

1. "Muslims believe the Quran was verbally revealed by God to Muhammad through the angelGabriel (Jibril),[3][4] gradually over a period of approximately 23 years, beginning on 22 December 609 CE,[5] when Muhammad was 40, and concluding in 632 CE, the year of his death."
Quran - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

2. 1095 – 1291 Crusades, Period

You are definitely a credit to Liberalism.

Don't ever change.
 
Answer -- because the thread is about idiots who try to foist the notion that here is little or no discernible differences between Islam and Christianity.

You actually need this explained?


No one said there wasnt any difference between the two, If someone did thats dumb, but I havent seen anyone ever say that




You should get out more.

The juxtaposition is the first default of the apologists.


Sorry I dont get out more. Who then said Christianity and Islam are the same?



Post #3


Post #3 just says they are comparable. It says nothing about them being the same. Since I dont get out, can you show me?

Thanks!



"There Are None So Blind As Those Who Will Not See"
 
And we need not go back that far in history:

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."

Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

Excerpts from Mein Kampf Jewish Virtual Library



What is amazingly consistent, NYLiar pretends to believe the lies of other liars!

Is that a requirement of your club?

And yet the Muslim extremists can't be liars?
 
And we need not go back that far in history:

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."

Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

Excerpts from Mein Kampf Jewish Virtual Library



What is amazingly consistent, NYLiar pretends to believe the lies of other liars!

Is that a requirement of your club?

And yet the Muslim extremists can't be liars?



Posts # 48 and 36, you dolt.
 
No one said there wasnt any difference between the two, If someone did thats dumb, but I havent seen anyone ever say that




You should get out more.

The juxtaposition is the first default of the apologists.


Sorry I dont get out more. Who then said Christianity and Islam are the same?



Post #3


Post #3 just says they are comparable. It says nothing about them being the same. Since I dont get out, can you show me?

Thanks!



"There Are None So Blind As Those Who Will Not See"


Concession noted
 
You should get out more.

The juxtaposition is the first default of the apologists.


Sorry I dont get out more. Who then said Christianity and Islam are the same?



Post #3


Post #3 just says they are comparable. It says nothing about them being the same. Since I dont get out, can you show me?

Thanks!



"There Are None So Blind As Those Who Will Not See"


Concession noted


Dishonesty noted.
 
I'm pretty sure GW Bush killed more innocent Muslims than Osama Bin Laden killed innocent Christians.

Who wins the most violent member of a faith in that matchup?
 
As next witness I call the President of Egypt:

"In a widely praised January 1 speech, Egypt’s President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi visited Al-Azhar University to address the country’s religious leadership, saying the time had come to reform Islam.
He complained that wrong ideas, which he did not specify, have become sacralized and that the religious leadership dares not criticize them. But Sisi did criticize, and in a colloquial Arabic highly unusual for discussing such topics: “It is inconceivable that the wrong ideas that we sacralize should make the entire umma [Muslim community] a source of concern, danger, killing, and destruction for the whole world.

Nonetheless, that is precisely what has occurred...."
Sisi and the Reform of Islam National Review Online


Yet, as we see in this thread, Liberals/secularists do what Liberals/secularists do.....refuse to recognize evil.
Their rule: "Never, never, be judgmental!!!"
.....to the death.
 
Radical Christians are not violent, Nosmos. The lukewarm and carnal resort to violence and are in rebellion against God. Such as the KKK who hate those they can see yet claim they love God who they cannot see. The bible is clear they are deceived.

Not all Muslims are violent. I agree with you. A small percentage - according to experts approximately 7% of the Muslim population believe in waging jihad. How do we get the number 7%?

According to the Pew Research Center which published in 2007 the largest most comprehensive study of Muslim American opinions ever done, involving an interview of sixty thousand Muslim Americans conducted in English, Arabic, Farsi, and Urdu - the question was did they believe suicide bombings against civilians was ever justified? Some 13 percent indicated they believed suicide bombings were justified sometimes (7 percent) often (1 percent) or rarely but not never ( 5 percent ) the younger Muslims between ages of eighteen and twenty nine were more religious and more radical in their beliefs. Of that group 7 percent favored Al Qaeda and 15 percent felt that suicide bombings were sometimes or OFTEN justified.

More polling was conducted throughout Europe and over there it was found that 15 percent of the Muslim population ( approx. 16 million Muslims in Europe in 07') 15 percent said sometimes or often justified - suicide bombings - in the UK.. 16 percent said sometimes or often justified - in France and 7 percent in Germany said sometimes or often justified.

Forty percent in Great Britain felt Iran should have nuclear weapons.

The poll did extend to Muslims coming from 35 different nations that are either Islamic or large Muslim populations.

So in closing this is what the polls, questionaire revealed - remember - after surveying 90% of a sample representing more than 90 percent of the world's 1.3 billion Muslims - from 35 nations which were predominantly Muslim - also add in Europe and USA - and the findings were........... 93 percent of the Muslims in the world are defined as non violent and traditionally religious but unlikely to pose a threat.

That is good news.

Here is the bad news:

7 percent were classified as Radical Muslims. This group found 9/11 to be completely justified and view the USA unfavorably. If you do the math on 7 percent of the Worlds Muslim population at 1.3 billion you are faced with the fact that there are 91 Million Radical Muslims in the world today.
91 Million radical Muslims is going by the 2007 report estimating 1.3 billion Muslims. If you go by their claim of 1.5 billion Muslims the number of radical Muslims is higher. That is what the world is facing today, Nosmos.

Thanks for reading.

1. There are some arguments to be made for the effectiveness of suicide bombings especially against a giant like the USA. How else are people in Iraq who hate us going to attack a superpower? And what is the difference between you sending 1000 guys to fight knowing 10% of them are going to die, and maybe they will lose the battle, or sending one person in to take out many of the enemy. I wonder if you were invaded and desperate if you would start seeing this tactic as not such a bad idea. Instead of losing your entire platoon, just find one crazy guy who's willing to blow himself up. You don't like the tactic because it is effective and hard to stop. Seems too you are unable to see things from the arabs eyes. Many arab Americans have empathy for their relatives back home. They also know how things are really going on. Like we didn't know that even years after we got rid of Saddam, the Iraqi citizens lives were worse off than before. Not the people living in the safe zone. But the media didn't tell you that. They only let you talk to people who lived in the safe zone. People benefitting from us being there.

2. Why shouldn't Iran have a nuke? Then maybe we won't invade them. Maybe we'll respect them more. I'd want one if I were them too. Oh relax Israel. Or, none of us should have nukes. We should do away with all of them and then YES go after any country who tries to build nuclear bombs.

3. If you lived in the middle east or came from there maybe you would know what assholes us Americans can be. I can see things from both sides so I get them. Do I agree with them? Fuck no! I am just capable of seeing things from their perspective. Empathy. But make no mistakes about it. My family came from Greece and they hate the USA. What do I say to them? Fuck them! They don't like it that we buddy up with Turkey. We need Turkey, not Greece. Everyone wants to bitch about the superpower policing the world but the minute shit hits the fan they come running or calling. Just like the police in America. LOL. Everyone hates the police until they need one.
 
I'm pretty sure GW Bush killed more innocent Muslims than Osama Bin Laden killed innocent Christians.

Who wins the most violent member of a faith in that matchup?

And add up both their murder/death/kills then put it up against Atheists over the same period of time and you have

Atheist kills = ZERO

Theists kills = Millions
 
Radicals are violent. Radical Muslims, radical Christians, radical Jews, radical Hindus.

If all Muslims were inherently violent and dangerous, the faith would quickly burn out under the weight of all that violence.

Radical Christians burn crosses, lynch folks not to their peculiar liking and pervert the icons and teachings of Christianity to their own purposes. They call themselves the knights of the Ku Klux Klan. They are not examples of Christianity, but a political hate group and a criminal organization.

But they are a distinct minority in Christendom.

Can they be fairly compared to radical Islamists? Absolutely and quite fairly.
To the comment: 'If all Muslims were inherently violent and dangerous, the faith would quickly burn out under the weight of all that violence'
Quickly? No. But if allowed to run its course it will. Where is Sharia law realized? In the most decimated places on the planet. Before Sharia there must be scorched earth. Islam feeds on instability and is a destabilizing force.

Hello, PC. :biggrin: Don't think this makes us friends. :cheeky-smiley-018:
Only if a radicalized interpretation is allowed to hold sway. People will not easily submit to repression.
I would encourage[edited incourage] you to watch, 'The Crisis of ISIS: Failed Policies or Perverted Ideology?' by the Muslim Public Affairs Council on YouTube. It is an hour and a half but well worth it. Two items of note from the panel discussion. When Juan Cole is portraying ISIS as a kind of despicable caricature of Islam. Imam Qazwini can barely control himself from jumping out of his chair. Imam Qazwini's response to Cole's impression of ISIS gives much insight into what Muslims think about Muslim extremists. Cole starts at 12:19 and Qazwini starts at 18:41. I would sum up my observation as ISIS may be view as radical extremists to Muslims but there are still one of their own. An American Muslim will side with ISIS before they will side with their Christian neighbour next door, no matter how much of a 'moderate' Muslim they might be. The second point, and one that I think everyone should watch, is Sherman Jackson's concluding remarks, starts at the one hour mark. He might be considered the epitome of the intellectual, moderate Muslim. But listen to exactly what he says. It is down right scary as hell. It reminded me of Yasar Arafat's speech to the UN General Assembly. Arafat said in one hand he held an olive branch and in the other he held a gun. The crowd cheered wildly. I am assuming because Arafat was offering an olive branch. But was he? What he was saying was that as long as things went his way he was happy. When they did not, he would shoot you. A Muslim will always end up shooting you, sooner or later.
 
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"The law of the jungle" is an expression that means "every man for himself," "anything goes," "survival of the strongest," "survival of the fittest," "kill or be killed," "dog eat dog" and "eat or be eaten,". TheOxford English Dictionary,[1] defines the Law of the Jungle as "the code of survival in jungle life, now usually with reference to the superiority of brute force or self-interest in the struggle for survival." It is also known asjungle law orfrontier justice."
Law of the jungle - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia




Now, let's see how this applies to religion....two in particular.
You apologists, who equate Islam and Christianity, pay special attention.



13. "...there is an episode during the Last Supper when the apostles are squabbling about which of them is greatest. Christ intervenes and tells them that the greatest is he who serves others the most.


And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors. But ye shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve.




14. This is a very profound idea that goes against the grain of most of human history.

...the pagans still regarded it as normal, right, and natural that the physically strong set the terms for everyone else. Thucydides famously summed it up in the Melian Dialogue: “The strong do as they can and the weak suffer what they must.” Thucydides was clearly critical of that view, but the Classical world didn’t have a clear alternative.

As far as I know, Christ was the first to insist that even the lowest, least significant person has value and that we will be judged by how we treat him."
Why Islam Is More Violent Than Christianity


Did the above demand that all must believe as you do?
Which religion demands that?
 
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