Why is wanting to keep what you earned greed, but wanting what you didn't earn isn't?

[OohPooPahDoo]

Horseshit. That doesn't fit any definition of "consent" I've ever heard of.

Its democratic consent.

You have just been nominated for the "Oxymoron of the Month" award for your entry "Democratic consent."

Congratulations!

You must be so proud!

You've just been nominated for "Moron of the Month"

 

[kaz]

I don't get it liberals, please explain

I'll be happy to:

Most Americans and most of our Representatives (local, state and federal) collect taxes so what most citizens want (roads, sewers, clean water, police and fire and medical aid at the touch of 911, etc.) they get.

Of course a small, loud and (IMO) ridiculous percentage of Americans believe they can do all of that (roads, sewers, etc.) alone, or do without it.

BTW, I don't believe it's only liberals who want a clean and safe society. Of course a minority of others seem to have other ideas on how to achieve a clean and safe environment for themselves. Maybe they can, but I doubt 300 million or so other Americans would believe so.

Thanks! Now what about answering the question?

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

1) Try article 1 section 8 as well
2) They are, however, obliged to conform to the ACTUAL ******* WORDS AND POWERS SPECIFICALLY GRANTED... and with the LIMITATIONS SPECIFICALLY WRITTEN to prevent these things.. even though they have stepped all over it
3) I gripe about unequal treatment.. and the use of government to target one group of people to provide for the personal wants and needs of another.. and gripe about unequal treatment by government under law... in ALL cases
4) Yes they are... hence why they DANCE when asked where the power to specifically do something comes from.. and again, show WHERE the federal judiciary has this power granted? It should be simple to show precisely where the power was granted in the document that grants and limits power... There is NOTHING that gave the judiciary the power to grant itself power by a judgement

(1) The income tax is not authorized by Article I Section 8.
(2) They aren't obliged to conform to " ACTUAL ******* WORDS AND POWERS SPECIFICALLY GRANTED" as according to you.
(3) No you don't. You only complain when the wealthy are being "oppressed".
(4) Are you telling me the Supreme Court doesn't have the authority to enforce the law when you don't like the law?

1) But the power granted to CONGRESS is to be uniform... that was on excise and tariff.. it is the same with income tax...
2) Yes.. they are.... the federal government is ONLY granted power from the states thru the constitution.. it is WHY THE CONSTITUTION WAS CRAFTED...
3) Yes.. I do... I stand for complete equal treatment in all cases... homosexual couples, taxation, election law, governmental services, etc... in MANY cases however, it is quite evident how the SOME get benefit and service given at the expense of the OTHERS.. and I do indeed speak out passionately against it
4) No... try reading again... the supreme court cannot grant itself a power by rendering judgement.. the supreme court and other federal judiciary are granted power FROM THE CONSTITUTION... and those powers are specifically listed.. and all other powers not listed are then reserved for the states and/or the people... PERIOD... if a power is to be granted to the federal government for any branch, it MUST BE DONE THRU THE AMENDMENT PROCESS, not a judge's ruling

(1) That isn't what the 16th amendment says.
(2) They still aren't obliged to conform to " ACTUAL ******* WORDS AND POWERS SPECIFICALLY GRANTED" as according to you. You surely must think a lot of yourself if you believe otherwise.
(3) You stand for the wealthy, that's it.
(4) That the Supreme Court is not obligated to enforce laws it believes to be unconstitutional is without question, as the Constitution is the higher law. However, in this case, they actually upheld a law. You are suggesting the court doesn't have the power to uphold the law!

 

[bripat9643]

Its democratic consent.

You have just been nominated for the "Oxymoron of the Month" award for your entry "Democratic consent."

Congratulations!

You must be so proud!

You've just been nominated for "Moron of the Month"

It appears you are embarrassed of your achievement.

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

I don't get it liberals, please explain

How do we fund the government if you keep all your money?

We don't. That's the whole point.

You don't? Sounds like you need to either get an updated version of TurboTax or a new CPA.

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

Why are those who work for a living penalized, and those who don't rewarded?

How are you penalized? Please explain. If you think getting $440 a month in welfare payments a "reward" (which is about the averge amount received by a welfare recipient) then I can't wait to hear what you call a penalty.

If you want your tax dollars to be better served, try looking at military spending and see where your money is really going. In that sense, you are correct but everyone is being penalized. Especially those who are hobbling around Bethesda right now on prosthetics or in wheelchairs.

 

[bripat9643]

Why are those who work for a living penalized, and those who don't rewarded?

How are you penalized? Please explain. If you think getting $440 a month in welfare payments a "reward" (which is about the averge amount received by a welfare recipient) then I can't wait to hear what you call a penalty.

If you want your tax dollars to be better served, try looking at military spending and see where your money is really going. In that sense, you are correct but everyone is being penalized. Especially those who are hobbling around Bethesda right now on prosthetics or in wheelchairs.

Having money you earned taken from you by force is being penalized. $440 in welfare is a reward. By definition, the person receiving it didn't earn it.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Why are those who work for a living penalized, and those who don't rewarded?

How are you penalized? Please explain. If you think getting $440 a month in welfare payments a "reward" (which is about the averge amount received by a welfare recipient) then I can't wait to hear what you call a penalty.

If you want your tax dollars to be better served, try looking at military spending and see where your money is really going. In that sense, you are correct but everyone is being penalized. Especially those who are hobbling around Bethesda right now on prosthetics or in wheelchairs.

Having money you earned taken from you by force is being penalized. $440 in welfare is a reward. By definition, the person receiving it didn't earn it.

If you think its so great to be on welfare quit your job and go for it.

 

[OODA_Loop]

If you think its so great to be on welfare quit your job and go for it.

Welfare is a lifestyle for many.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

If you think its so great to be on welfare quit your job and go for it.

Welfare is a lifestyle for many.

If you think its so great to be on welfare quit your job and go for it.

 

[OODA_Loop]

If you think its so great to be on welfare quit your job and go for it.

Welfare is a lifestyle for many.

If you think its so great to be on welfare quit your job and go for it.

I don't think it is great and thus survive by my own hand.

Many others think it is great.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Welfare is a lifestyle for many.

If you think its so great to be on welfare quit your job and go for it.

I don't think it is great and thus survive by my own hand.

Many others think it is great.

How do you know what many others think?

 

[Mac1958]

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We can certainly pretend that America doesn't now have generations of families who are stuck in a culture of welfare and dependency, why not. We can pretend anything. But we still know it's true.

The financial cost of welfare isn't all that much, in the grand scheme of things. The human cost, on the other hand, is tragic. I wonder why that isn't discussed.

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[OODA_Loop]

If you think its so great to be on welfare quit your job and go for it.

I don't think it is great and thus survive by my own hand.

Many others think it is great.

How do you know what many others think?

Life experience.

 

[Wry Catcher]

I don't get it liberals, please explain

I'll be happy to:

Most Americans and most of our Representatives (local, state and federal) collect taxes so what most citizens want (roads, sewers, clean water, police and fire and medical aid at the touch of 911, etc.) they get.

Of course a small, loud and (IMO) ridiculous percentage of Americans believe they can do all of that (roads, sewers, etc.) alone, or do without it.

BTW, I don't believe it's only liberals who want a clean and safe society. Of course a minority of others seem to have other ideas on how to achieve a clean and safe environment for themselves. Maybe they can, but I doubt 300 million or so other Americans would believe so.

Thanks! Now what about answering the question?

You're welcome. I'm sorry you feel the answer was not responsive; trying to explain the self evident is not worth the effort.

 

[MikeK]

And I am in favor of taxing income as well as confiscating excess. My concern is with the vast majority of citizens and with the health of America. I'm not concerned with the emerging American aristocracy. After confiscation they will still be rich -- just not as rich as before.

$20 million. No more.

A true leftist Democrat...
In fact you go way beyond that.... You are even in the wrong country.
Hell you are even left of Fidel.
You are entitled to your ideas, but you have no role in America.

Please tell me in specific terms what it is about my proposal to limit accumulation of personal assets to $20million that prompts you to say I'm in the wrong country and have "no role in America?" I don't know what you mean by that.

 

[MikeK]

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We can certainly pretend that America doesn't now have generations of families who are stuck in a culture of welfare and dependency, why not. We can pretend anything. But we still know it's true.

The financial cost of welfare isn't all that much, in the grand scheme of things. The human cost, on the other hand, is tragic. I wonder why that isn't discussed.

I've heard it discussed by various individuals who are concerned with social reform. E.g., if you ever listen to WBAI radio you will hear it discussed often. But it is never discussed by government representatives and officials, mainly because the reasons for the problem are embarrassing.

One category of welfare recipents that should be paid attention to are tens of thousands of individuals who are unemployable because of their criminal records -- which are the result of nothing more serious than marijuana sale or mere possession.

In my opinion that is a goddam shame!

 

[Desperado]

And I am in favor of taxing income as well as confiscating excess. My concern is with the vast majority of citizens and with the health of America. I'm not concerned with the emerging American aristocracy. After confiscation they will still be rich -- just not as rich as before.

$20 million. No more.

A true leftist Democrat...
In fact you go way beyond that.... You are even in the wrong country.
Hell you are even left of Fidel.
You are entitled to your ideas, but you have no role in America.

Please tell me in specific terms what it is about my proposal to limit accumulation of personal assets to $20million that prompts you to say I'm in the wrong country and have "no role in America?" I don't know what you mean by that.

Simply put Sir, Wanting to limit another person's income is truly unAmerican.
Go find yourself another country that might be more open to your socialist leanings.
You are against everything this country represents, so you would be better off in a country more to your liking....Unfortunately I can't think of another country that would take you.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

.

We can certainly pretend that America doesn't now have generations of families who are stuck in a culture of welfare and dependency, why not. We can pretend anything. But we still know it's true.

The financial cost of welfare isn't all that much, in the grand scheme of things. The human cost, on the other hand, is tragic. I wonder why that isn't discussed.

.

Because before welfare - generational poverty just didn't happen.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

I don't think it is great and thus survive by my own hand.

Many others think it is great.

How do you know what many others think?

Life experience.

Living enables you to read peoples' minds? Wow!