Why is Building the Wall Wrong?

[Geaux4it]

Those who argue anything other than its the votes they seek, and the transformation of America so to resemble Mexico and South America are being dishonest

-Geaux

 

[danielpalos]

Those who argue anything other than its the votes they seek, and the transformation of America so to resemble Mexico and South America are being dishonest

-Geaux

lol. only lousy capitalists lose money on border policy.

 

[dblack]

When we finally flip to socialism, the wall will come in handy for sure.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

A- Cost prohibitive
B- Won't work
C- It's racist
D- It would reduce those successfully crossing the border
E- None of the Above

The machine benefits by not having a wall. Business (Republicans) get their cheap labor and (Democrats) get the votes

You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours

There is no excuse for the Republicans not funding the wall.

-Geaux

Capitalism is worthless if we need a wall.

It’s just another ism.

But just like it’s not fair china manipulates it’s currency and pays workers $1 a day, Mexico doesn’t pay its masses well. They workers have yet to rise up. Too much corruption.

So it’s not fair American blue collar workers have to compete with Mexicans who will live ten in an apartment and work for half what the American will work.

It’s undermining the middle class.

Only a well regulated capitalism by people who represent we the people is a good ism. Every country protects its vital industries so why do you think America didn’t? Because we had the highest paid workers in the world. The unions. Republicans wanted to send all those union jobs overseas. Break the union and reneg on pensions.

we don't have an express wall building power or an immigration clause. if you don't care about capitalism you will have to care about the law.

Yes we do.

 

[Taz]

Those who argue anything other than its the votes they seek, and the transformation of America so to resemble Mexico and South America are being dishonest

-Geaux

lol. only lousy capitalists lose money on border policy.

You still trying to get the rest of your family in? They can mow my lawn with their teeth like the fucking goats that they are.

 

[dblack]

Those who argue anything other than its the votes they seek, and the transformation of America so to resemble Mexico and South America are being dishonest

-Geaux

lol. only lousy capitalists lose money on border policy.

Only lousy stoners waste a buzz arguing politics online.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Those who argue anything other than its the votes they seek, and the transformation of America so to resemble Mexico and South America are being dishonest

-Geaux

lol. only lousy capitalists lose money on border policy.

If you hate this country so much feel free to move.

 

[danielpalos]

When we finally flip to socialism, the wall will come in handy for sure.

the right wing is all about national socialism not national capitalism.

 

[danielpalos]

Those who argue anything other than its the votes they seek, and the transformation of America so to resemble Mexico and South America are being dishonest

-Geaux

lol. only lousy capitalists lose money on border policy.

You still trying to get the rest of your family in? They can mow my lawn with their teeth like the fucking goats that they are.

ad hominems and other fallacies is all the right wing has.

 

[danielpalos]

Those who argue anything other than its the votes they seek, and the transformation of America so to resemble Mexico and South America are being dishonest

-Geaux

lol. only lousy capitalists lose money on border policy.

Only lousy stoners waste a buzz arguing politics online.

i smoke two joints, and then smoke two more, merely to have high hopes and pipe dreams the right wing will have more than fallacy and other forms of right wing fantasy.

 

[danielpalos]

Those who argue anything other than its the votes they seek, and the transformation of America so to resemble Mexico and South America are being dishonest

-Geaux

lol. only lousy capitalists lose money on border policy.

If you hate this country so much feel free to move.

lousy capitalist lose money for our country; feel free to leave and lose money for some other country, right winger.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Those who argue anything other than its the votes they seek, and the transformation of America so to resemble Mexico and South America are being dishonest

-Geaux

lol. only lousy capitalists lose money on border policy.

If you hate this country so much feel free to move.

lousy capitalist lose money for our country; feel free to leave and lose money for some other country, right winger.

Capitalists pay the taxes, politicians spend em. Not sure how "capitalists lose money". Time to put daniel the illegal on ignore.

 

[danielpalos]

Those who argue anything other than its the votes they seek, and the transformation of America so to resemble Mexico and South America are being dishonest

-Geaux

lol. only lousy capitalists lose money on border policy.

If you hate this country so much feel free to move.

lousy capitalist lose money for our country; feel free to leave and lose money for some other country, right winger.

Capitalists pay the taxes, politicians spend em. Not sure how "capitalists lose money". Time to put daniel the illegal on ignore.

lousy capitalists lose money on border policy and claim they are not for national socialism.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

#1) I had a similar situation and the owner did put in AC
#2) This is not a runny a nose, this is a constant bleed.
#3) I disagree this is mutual beneficial.

He doesn't seem to understand that's what ports of entry are for.

.

No, I don't understand what the relevance of it is. YOU don't know what the bottom line is as to what ports of entry are for... OR maybe you know, but are like Ray.

Very argumentative you are. Listen to counterpoints you don’t. Necessary border security is. Bad open borders are.

You need some new material. Reread this thread. I did not become "argumentative" for the first 200 posts that I was involved in it. My first 75 posts were in search of the REAL reasons people wanted the wall. When my patriotism was questioned by Ray, I told him game on. You need to STFU and read the thread before climbing my back with false allegations. We'll get along better if you read the whole story first. National Security is NOT one of the reasons cited in my first inquiries. It's just now being interjected because Trump alleges it. WTH, dude, you need government to save you from yourself?

See these exapmles: posts 2806, 3475, 3476, 3613, 3669 and 3731. Read those and then join the conversation.

Telling me to STFU is funny. Keyboard warriors amuse me. Long your posts are. Incoherent and wordy to boot.

Incoherent because you cannot read; long because those who are so desperate for a wall keep rehashing the same points and keep making the same false allegations. Again, dude, honesty is the enemy of those who worship the wall. Go to post # 2806. Work your way back and tell me of a long post I made BEFORE that.

All I did was ask questions. Me a keyboard warrior? I'd rather meet people face to face. I can go back to asking questions the moment the guys who think they can read minds and have all the answers will provide them without their phony bravado.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Those who argue anything other than its the votes they seek, and the transformation of America so to resemble Mexico and South America are being dishonest

-Geaux

lol. only lousy capitalists lose money on border policy.

If you hate this country so much feel free to move.

lousy capitalist lose money for our country; feel free to leave and lose money for some other country, right winger.

Capitalists pay the taxes, politicians spend em. Not sure how "capitalists lose money". Time to put daniel the illegal on ignore.

The religion of the build the wall guys won't let you do it. danielpalos proves that even a broken clock has he potential to be right twice a day. There is more to the story than he's telling on this issue, but since most of you are making the same points (even after they've been refuted) danielpalos is regurgitating his point that has some semblance of truth behind it.

Don't bother accusing me of being the same as danielpalos. On things like gun Rights he and I are not on the same page, not in the same book, not in the same universe.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

He doesn't seem to understand that's what ports of entry are for.

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No, I don't understand what the relevance of it is. YOU don't know what the bottom line is as to what ports of entry are for... OR maybe you know, but are like Ray.

Very argumentative you are. Listen to counterpoints you don’t. Necessary border security is. Bad open borders are.

You need some new material. Reread this thread. I did not become "argumentative" for the first 200 posts that I was involved in it. My first 75 posts were in search of the REAL reasons people wanted the wall. When my patriotism was questioned by Ray, I told him game on. You need to STFU and read the thread before climbing my back with false allegations. We'll get along better if you read the whole story first. National Security is NOT one of the reasons cited in my first inquiries. It's just now being interjected because Trump alleges it. WTH, dude, you need government to save you from yourself?

See these exapmles: posts 2806, 3475, 3476, 3613, 3669 and 3731. Read those and then join the conversation.

Telling me to STFU is funny. Keyboard warriors amuse me. Long your posts are. Incoherent and wordy to boot.

Incoherent because you cannot read; long because those who are so desperate for a wall keep rehashing the same points and keep making the same false allegations. Again, dude, honesty is the enemy of those who worship the wall. Go to post # 2806. Work your way back and tell me of a long post I made BEFORE that.

All I did was ask questions. Me a keyboard warrior? I'd rather meet people face to face. I can go back to asking questions the moment the guys who think they can read minds and have all the answers will provide them without their phony bravado.

President Barack Obama: "Real reform means strong border security, and we can build on the progress my administration has already made — putting more boots on the Southern border than at any time in our history and reducing illegal crossings to their lowest levels in 40 years.”

Secretary Hillary Clinton: "I voted numerous times when I was a senator to spend money to build a barrier to try to prevent illegal immigrants from coming in. And I do think that you have to control your borders."

President Bill Clinton: "It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years, and we must do more to stop it."

 

[Porter Rockwell]

No, I don't understand what the relevance of it is. YOU don't know what the bottom line is as to what ports of entry are for... OR maybe you know, but are like Ray.

Very argumentative you are. Listen to counterpoints you don’t. Necessary border security is. Bad open borders are.

You need some new material. Reread this thread. I did not become "argumentative" for the first 200 posts that I was involved in it. My first 75 posts were in search of the REAL reasons people wanted the wall. When my patriotism was questioned by Ray, I told him game on. You need to STFU and read the thread before climbing my back with false allegations. We'll get along better if you read the whole story first. National Security is NOT one of the reasons cited in my first inquiries. It's just now being interjected because Trump alleges it. WTH, dude, you need government to save you from yourself?

See these exapmles: posts 2806, 3475, 3476, 3613, 3669 and 3731. Read those and then join the conversation.

Telling me to STFU is funny. Keyboard warriors amuse me. Long your posts are. Incoherent and wordy to boot.

Incoherent because you cannot read; long because those who are so desperate for a wall keep rehashing the same points and keep making the same false allegations. Again, dude, honesty is the enemy of those who worship the wall. Go to post # 2806. Work your way back and tell me of a long post I made BEFORE that.

All I did was ask questions. Me a keyboard warrior? I'd rather meet people face to face. I can go back to asking questions the moment the guys who think they can read minds and have all the answers will provide them without their phony bravado.

President Barack Obama: "Real reform means strong border security, and we can build on the progress my administration has already made — putting more boots on the Southern border than at any time in our history and reducing illegal crossings to their lowest levels in 40 years.”

Secretary Hillary Clinton: "I voted numerous times when I was a senator to spend money to build a barrier to try to prevent illegal immigrants from coming in. And I do think that you have to control your borders."

President Bill Clinton: "It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years, and we must do more to stop it."

You are only proving a point I've been making since I got on this thread. The Democrats adopted the political idea BEFORE Trump came along. It is not a conservative idea.

The talking points were pioneered by white supremacists and National Socialists back in the 1970s. So, I would presume you have a point?

 

[sealybobo]

Those who argue anything other than its the votes they seek, and the transformation of America so to resemble Mexico and South America are being dishonest

-Geaux

lol. only lousy capitalists lose money on border policy.

You think it's ok that illegals come here and work illegally?

Why do you think hiring non Americans is illegal?

The reason why thirty years ago United Farm Workers' Union (UFW) founder César Chávez fought against illegal immigration, and the UFW turned in illegals during his tenure as president, was because Chávez, like progressives since the 1870s, understood the simple reality that labor rises and falls in price as a function of availability.

As Wikipedia notes: "In 1969, Chávez and members of the UFW marched through the Imperial and Coachella Valley to the border of Mexico to protest growers' use of illegal aliens as temporary replacement workers during a strike. Joining him on the march were both the Reverend Ralph Abernathy and U.S. Senator Walter Mondale. Chávez and the UFW would often report suspected illegal aliens who served as temporary replacement workers as well as who refused to unionize to the INS."

Working Americans have always known this simple equation: More workers, lower wages. Fewer workers, higher wages.

Today's Immigration Battle Corporatists vs. Racists (and Labor is Left Behind)

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Very argumentative you are. Listen to counterpoints you don’t. Necessary border security is. Bad open borders are.

You need some new material. Reread this thread. I did not become "argumentative" for the first 200 posts that I was involved in it. My first 75 posts were in search of the REAL reasons people wanted the wall. When my patriotism was questioned by Ray, I told him game on. You need to STFU and read the thread before climbing my back with false allegations. We'll get along better if you read the whole story first. National Security is NOT one of the reasons cited in my first inquiries. It's just now being interjected because Trump alleges it. WTH, dude, you need government to save you from yourself?

See these exapmles: posts 2806, 3475, 3476, 3613, 3669 and 3731. Read those and then join the conversation.

Telling me to STFU is funny. Keyboard warriors amuse me. Long your posts are. Incoherent and wordy to boot.

Incoherent because you cannot read; long because those who are so desperate for a wall keep rehashing the same points and keep making the same false allegations. Again, dude, honesty is the enemy of those who worship the wall. Go to post # 2806. Work your way back and tell me of a long post I made BEFORE that.

All I did was ask questions. Me a keyboard warrior? I'd rather meet people face to face. I can go back to asking questions the moment the guys who think they can read minds and have all the answers will provide them without their phony bravado.

President Barack Obama: "Real reform means strong border security, and we can build on the progress my administration has already made — putting more boots on the Southern border than at any time in our history and reducing illegal crossings to their lowest levels in 40 years.”

Secretary Hillary Clinton: "I voted numerous times when I was a senator to spend money to build a barrier to try to prevent illegal immigrants from coming in. And I do think that you have to control your borders."

President Bill Clinton: "It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years, and we must do more to stop it."

You are only proving a point I've been making since I got on this thread. The Democrats adopted the political idea BEFORE Trump came along. It is not a conservative idea.

The talking points were pioneered by white supremacists and National Socialists back in the 1970s. So, I would presume you have a point?

My only point is that border patrol agents want it and they are on the frontlines. I would think we would and should be willing to support them. That is all.

 

[sealybobo]

Very argumentative you are. Listen to counterpoints you don’t. Necessary border security is. Bad open borders are.

You need some new material. Reread this thread. I did not become "argumentative" for the first 200 posts that I was involved in it. My first 75 posts were in search of the REAL reasons people wanted the wall. When my patriotism was questioned by Ray, I told him game on. You need to STFU and read the thread before climbing my back with false allegations. We'll get along better if you read the whole story first. National Security is NOT one of the reasons cited in my first inquiries. It's just now being interjected because Trump alleges it. WTH, dude, you need government to save you from yourself?

See these exapmles: posts 2806, 3475, 3476, 3613, 3669 and 3731. Read those and then join the conversation.

Telling me to STFU is funny. Keyboard warriors amuse me. Long your posts are. Incoherent and wordy to boot.

Incoherent because you cannot read; long because those who are so desperate for a wall keep rehashing the same points and keep making the same false allegations. Again, dude, honesty is the enemy of those who worship the wall. Go to post # 2806. Work your way back and tell me of a long post I made BEFORE that.

All I did was ask questions. Me a keyboard warrior? I'd rather meet people face to face. I can go back to asking questions the moment the guys who think they can read minds and have all the answers will provide them without their phony bravado.

President Barack Obama: "Real reform means strong border security, and we can build on the progress my administration has already made — putting more boots on the Southern border than at any time in our history and reducing illegal crossings to their lowest levels in 40 years.”

Secretary Hillary Clinton: "I voted numerous times when I was a senator to spend money to build a barrier to try to prevent illegal immigrants from coming in. And I do think that you have to control your borders."

President Bill Clinton: "It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years, and we must do more to stop it."

You are only proving a point I've been making since I got on this thread. The Democrats adopted the political idea BEFORE Trump came along. It is not a conservative idea.

The talking points were pioneered by white supremacists and National Socialists back in the 1970s. So, I would presume you have a point?

It's true. In the 2000's us liberals were against illegal immigrants while 75% of the Republican party was arguing they were just here doing jobs Americans won't do. That's a lie.

Do a little math. The Bureau of Labor Statistics says there are 7.6 million unemployed Americans right now. Another 1.5 million Americans are no longer counted because they've become "long term" or "discouraged" unemployed workers. And although various groups have different ways of measuring it, most agree that at least another five to ten million Americans are either working part-time when they want to work full-time, or are "underemployed," doing jobs below their level of training, education, or experience. That's between eight and twenty million un- and under-employed Americans, many unable to find above-poverty-level work.

At the same time, there are between seven and fifteen million working illegal immigrants diluting our labor pool.

If illegal immigrants could no longer work, unions would flourish, the minimum wage would rise, and oligarchic nations to our south would have to confront and fix their corrupt ways.

Between the Reagan years - when there were only around 1 to 2 million illegal aliens in our workforce - and today, we've gone from about 25 percent of our private workforce being unionized to around seven percent. Much of this is the direct result - as César Chávez predicted - of illegal immigrants competing directly with unionized and legal labor. Although it's most obvious in the construction trades over the past 30 years, it's hit all sectors of our economy.