Why I hate 9-11 Truthers

[Capstone]

More compelling evidence that fatally contradicts the Flight 77 aspect of the 9/11 Official Conspiracy Theory (hereafter the NEOCT):



Of course I realize that most of you probably won't bother to watch the above 45-minute presentation which both exposes the alleged FDR data from Flight 77 as fraudulent...and shows, that even it were fully legitimate, it directly contradicts the NEOCT in several key respects anyway!

For the collective benefit of those who do take the time though, Dennis Cimino's experience and qualifications as a Flight Data Recorder Expert are as follows:

• Electrical Engineer
• Commercial Pilot rating, since 1981
• Navy Combat Systems Specialist: RADAR, ECM, cryptographic communications
• Flight Data Recorder Engineer Smiths Aerospace
• BA-609, IDARS, Military and Commercial
• Millimeter wave RADAR and countermeasures expert since 1973
• Holder of two patents for Doppler RADAR ( Kavouras ): long pulsewidth RADAR droop compensation network, and wave guide arc detection for high powered RADAR

 

[Soupnazi630]

More compelling evidence that fatally contradicts the Flight 77 aspect of the 9/11 Official Conspiracy Theory (hereafter the NEOCT):



Of course I realize that most of you probably won't bother to watch the above 45-minute presentation which both exposes the alleged FDR data from Flight 77 as fraudulent...and shows, that even it were fully legitimate, it directly contradicts the NEOCT in several key respects anyway!

For the collective benefit of those who do take the time though, Dennis Cimino's experience and qualifications as a Flight Data Recorder Expert are as follows:

• Electrical Engineer
• Commercial Pilot rating, since 1981
• Navy Combat Systems Specialist: RADAR, ECM, cryptographic communications
• Flight Data Recorder Engineer Smiths Aerospace
• BA-609, IDARS, Military and Commercial
• Millimeter wave RADAR and countermeasures expert since 1973
• Holder of two patents for Doppler RADAR ( Kavouras ): long pulsewidth RADAR droop compensation network, and wave guide arc detection for high powered RADAR

He presents no evidence

 

[Capstone]

He presents no evidence

1. From HERE:

"A presentation is the process of presenting a topic to an audience. It is typically a demonstration, lecture, or speech meant to inform, persuade, or build good will. ..."

2. Given Cimino's credentials and fields of expertise, his testimony of direct analysis of the NTSB-provided data would stand up as highly credible evidence in any court of law.

You have presented no evidence.

 

[Soupnazi630]

He presents no evidence

1. From HERE:

"A presentation is the process of presenting a topic to an audience. It is typically a demonstration, lecture, or speech meant to inform, persuade, or build good will. ..."

2. Given Cimino's credentials and fields of expertise, his testimony of direct analysis of the NTSB-provided data would stand up as highly credible evidence in any court of law.

You have presented no evidence.

I do not need to the burden is on you and you have presented zilch

 

[Capstone]

I do not need to the burden is on you...

Wrong. You made the unqualified, unsupported, and frankly, false claim that Cimino "presents no evidence". Now, having been shown how and why that claim was false, you simply deny any need (or burden) to support it, while simultaneously deriding all of the evidence I've cited in this thread thus far as having amounted to "zilch" (although direct eyewitness accounts and expert opinions have routinely been used in evidence in courts of law for as long as law has been practiced in the United States).

Just like Wrongringer before you, you've been exposed as a vacuous hypocrite.

Now run along, before I decide to drop the gloves on your hapless ass.

 

[Soupnazi630]

I do not need to the burden is on you...

Wrong. You made the unqualified, unsupported, and frankly, false claim that Cimino "presents no evidence". Now, having been shown how and why that claim was false, you simply deny any need (or burden) to support it, while simultaneously deriding all of the evidence I've cited in this thread thus far as having amounted to "zilch" (although direct eyewitness accounts and expert opinions have routinely been used in evidence in courts of law for as long as law has been practiced in the United States).

Just like Wrongringer before you, you've been exposed as a vacuous hypocrite.

Now run along, before I decide to drop the gloves on your hapless ass.

Wrong youngster I stated fact no evidence was given in the video.

He stated uninformed opinion and nothing more now go look up what evidence means boy

 

[Capstone]

Wrong youngster I stated fact no evidence was given in the video. ...

No, you stated an unqualified, unsupported falsehood; and now, apparently not content to leave dumb enough alone, you've gone and further elaborated that stupidity thusly:

...He stated uninformed opinion and nothing more...

His recounting of his expert analysis of the FDR data was hardly "uninformed", and as I stated before, his "opinion" would stand up as 'expert evidence' in any court of law in the country.

...now go look up what evidence means boy

Okay.

For the purpose of everyday use, The Oxford English Dictionary defines "evidence" as follows:

1The available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid:...

Emphasis mine.

And just to cover the bases, for legal use, the term "expert evidence" is defined HERE as follows:

Testimony related to a professional or scientific subject. It is based on training and experience in a subject area. The expert must give their opinion to aid the court in a decision or judgement. They are questioned before being allowed to testify. ...

Emphasis mine.

By either definition, "evidence" is clearly presented in the video I posted.

I hope you don't expect any respect solely on the basis of your advanced age (?), S-nazi. I've dealt with far too many ignorant old farts to fall for that crusty "respect your elders" canard. In my book, respect is earned; and in terms of debate, it's all about the argument.

Class dismissed.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Wrong youngster I stated fact no evidence was given in the video. ...

No, you stated an unqualified, unsupported falsehood; and now, apparently not content to leave dumb enough alone, you've gone and further elaborated that stupidity thusly:

...He stated uninformed opinion and nothing more...

His recounting of his expert analysis of the FDR data was hardly "uninformed", and as I stated before, his "opinion" would stand up as 'expert evidence' in any court of law in the country.

...now go look up what evidence means boy

Okay.

For the purpose of everyday use, The Oxford English Dictionary defines "evidence" as follows:

1The available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid:...

Emphasis mine.

And just to cover the bases, for legal use, the term "expert evidence" is defined HERE as follows:

Testimony related to a professional or scientific subject. It is based on training and experience in a subject area. The expert must give their opinion to aid the court in a decision or judgement. They are questioned before being allowed to testify. ...

Emphasis mine.

By either definition, "evidence" is clearly presented in the video I posted.

I hope you don't expect any respect solely on the basis of your advanced age (?), S-nazi. I've dealt with far too many ignorant old farts to fall for that crusty "respect your elders" canard. In my book, respect is earned; and in terms of debate, it's all about the argument.

Class dismissed.

He. Stated uninformed opinion only and has no expertise

 

[Capstone]

He. Stated uninformed opinion only and has no expertise

Uh huh.

Listen Gramps, why don't you pop a little blue pill and go fuck yourself. I'm done wasting my time on your old school nonsense. People like you bring out the worst in me; and to be perfectly honest, I don't particularly like it.

 

[Soupnazi630]

He. Stated uninformed opinion only and has no expertise

Uh huh.

Listen Gramps, why don't you pop a little blue pill and go fuck yourself. I'm done wasting my time on your old school nonsense. People like you bring out the worst in me, and I don't particularly like that.

That's because there is nothing intelligent in you to begin with.

Your just mindless and believing what you see on you tube.

Sorry middle you are not very bright

 

[Capstone]

And of course, no halfway decent accounting of the evidence that contradicts the Flight 77 aspect of the NEOCT would fail to include a certain FBI exhibit from the 2006 trial of Zacarias Moussaoui, in which the two calls reportedly made successfully aboard Flight 77 by Barbara Olson to her husband, Ted Olson, were exposed as fabrications.

Originally extracted from the trial exhibits HERE:

As you can see, the FBI exhibit confirmed in federal court that only one call was made by Barbara Olson...and that it went unconnected (lasting for "0 seconds").

 

[Capstone]

As noted and asked several years ago by the consummate researcher and patriarch of the 9/11 Truth Movement, Prof. David Ray Griffin:

"This rejection of Ted Olson’s story [...] especially [by] the FBI is a development of utmost importance. Without the alleged calls from Barbara Olson, there is no evidence that Flight 77 returned to Washington. Also, if Ted Olson’s claim was false, then there are only two possibilities: Either he lied or he was duped by someone using voice-morphing technology to pretend to be his wife.17 In either case, the official story about the calls from Barbara Olson was based on deception. And if that part of the official account of 9/11 was based on deception, should we not suspect that other parts were as well? "

Great question.

Preemptive Note to Dwas the Debwunker: Before you chime in with your usual ad hom idiocy, yes, I'm fully aware that Griffin's advanced degrees are in Theology and Philosophy, so spare me the blast of your chronic halitosis.

 

[Hollie]

As noted and asked several years ago by the consummate researcher and patriarch of the 9/11 Truth Movement, Prof. David Ray Griffin:

"This rejection of Ted Olson’s story [...] especially [by] the FBI is a development of utmost importance. Without the alleged calls from Barbara Olson, there is no evidence that Flight 77 returned to Washington. Also, if Ted Olson’s claim was false, then there are only two possibilities: Either he lied or he was duped by someone using voice-morphing technology to pretend to be his wife.17 In either case, the official story about the calls from Barbara Olson was based on deception. And if that part of the official account of 9/11 was based on deception, should we not suspect that other parts were as well? "

Great question.

Preemptive Note to Dwas the Debwunker: Before you chime in with your usual ad hom idiocy, yes, I'm fully aware that Griffin's advanced degrees are in Theology and Philosophy, so spare me the blast of your chronic halitosis.

Your conspiracy theory ramblings are boilerplate.
Critique of David Ray Griffin s 9 11 Fake Calls Theory by Erik Larson 911Blogger.com

And yes, citing the ramblings of a 9/11 conspiracy theory loon who's training and degrees are in theology and philosophy tends to further lessen the credibility of the conspiracy theory.

 

[Hollie]

More compelling evidence that fatally contradicts the Flight 77 aspect of the 9/11 Official Conspiracy Theory (hereafter the NEOCT):



Of course I realize that most of you probably won't bother to watch the above 45-minute presentation which both exposes the alleged FDR data from Flight 77 as fraudulent...and shows, that even it were fully legitimate, it directly contradicts the NEOCT in several key respects anyway!

For the collective benefit of those who do take the time though, Dennis Cimino's experience and qualifications as a Flight Data Recorder Expert are as follows:

• Electrical Engineer
• Commercial Pilot rating, since 1981
• Navy Combat Systems Specialist: RADAR, ECM, cryptographic communications
• Flight Data Recorder Engineer Smiths Aerospace
• BA-609, IDARS, Military and Commercial
• Millimeter wave RADAR and countermeasures expert since 1973
• Holder of two patents for Doppler RADAR ( Kavouras ): long pulsewidth RADAR droop compensation network, and wave guide arc detection for high powered RADAR

Your silly YouTube video is a lengthy example of the failure of the twoofers to present a credible argument.

The silly video is nothing but a twoofer rattling on for no apparent reason.

 

[Soupnazi630]

As noted and asked several years ago by the consummate researcher and patriarch of the 9/11 Truth Movement, Prof. David Ray Griffin:

"This rejection of Ted Olson’s story [...] especially [by] the FBI is a development of utmost importance. Without the alleged calls from Barbara Olson, there is no evidence that Flight 77 returned to Washington. Also, if Ted Olson’s claim was false, then there are only two possibilities: Either he lied or he was duped by someone using voice-morphing technology to pretend to be his wife.17 In either case, the official story about the calls from Barbara Olson was based on deception. And if that part of the official account of 9/11 was based on deception, should we not suspect that other parts were as well? "

Great question.

Preemptive Note to Dwas the Debwunker: Before you chime in with your usual ad hom idiocy, yes, I'm fully aware that Griffin's advanced degrees are in Theology and Philosophy, so spare me the blast of your chronic halitosis.

Flight 77 hit the Pentagon and no phone calls were faked try real evidence you cool rather than lies

 

[Capstone]

Your conspiracy theory ramblings are boilerplate.
Critique of David Ray Griffin s 9 11 Fake Calls Theory by Erik Larson 911Blogger.comf...

Yet Larson had nothing to say about perhaps the most crucial point from Griffin's essay:

"...in spite of the fact that two women from American Flight 77 – Barbara Olson and flight attendant Renee May – were generally reported to have made cell phone calls, the graphics for them did not indicate that either of them had used a cell phone. And when we look at a May 2004 FBI report on phone calls from AA Flight 77, which “was conducted in support of the U.S. Justice Department’s criminal case against Zacarias Moussaoui,” we find this statement: “All of the calls from Flight 77 were made via the onboard airphone system.”39 "

Here's the referenced document:

Taken together, the FBI exhibit from my previous post and this FBI report confirming that all of the calls from Flight 77 were made via the onboard airphone system, we can only conclude that Barbara Olson was unsuccessful in any attempt to contact her husband.

This evidence strongly suggests one of two things: either Ted Olson lied about the two famous calls from his wife, or he was duped and the conversations he had were not with his wife. Either way, the widespread media reports of those calls were based on an intentional fabrication on somebody's part.

...And yes, citing the ramblings of a 9/11 conspiracy theory loon who's training and degrees are in theology and philosophy tends to further lessen the credibility of the conspiracy theory.

Right, because philosphers and theologians have historically contributed so little to legitimate fields of knowledge (like science and math).

 

[Capstone]

More compelling evidence that fatally contradicts the Flight 77 aspect of the 9/11 Official Conspiracy Theory (hereafter the NEOCT):



Of course I realize that most of you probably won't bother to watch the above 45-minute presentation which both exposes the alleged FDR data from Flight 77 as fraudulent...and shows, that even it were fully legitimate, it directly contradicts the NEOCT in several key respects anyway!

For the collective benefit of those who do take the time though, Dennis Cimino's experience and qualifications as a Flight Data Recorder Expert are as follows:

• Electrical Engineer
• Commercial Pilot rating, since 1981
• Navy Combat Systems Specialist: RADAR, ECM, cryptographic communications
• Flight Data Recorder Engineer Smiths Aerospace
• BA-609, IDARS, Military and Commercial
• Millimeter wave RADAR and countermeasures expert since 1973
• Holder of two patents for Doppler RADAR ( Kavouras ): long pulsewidth RADAR droop compensation network, and wave guide arc detection for high powered RADAR

Your silly YouTube video is a lengthy example of the failure of the twoofers to present a credible argument.

The silly video is nothing but a twoofer rattling on for no apparent reason.

Hilarious. Griffin's not to be trusted because of his fields of expertise; Cimino's not to be trusted in spite of his fields of expertise. Seriously, you duhbwunkers should try a little harder to keep your stories straight.

 

[Capstone]

Flight 77 hit the Pentagon and no phone calls were faked try real evidence you cool rather than lies

Hmm...I know the 'c' and 'f' keys are adjacent on most keyboards, but I can't help but wonder whether S-nazi's subconscious mind was trying to break through in the form of a typo.

Could it be, on some deep level, that S-nazi secretly thinks I'm kind of "cool"?

Of course, not giving a rat's ass about what S-nazi (or anyone else, for that matter) thinks about me, I can happily point out the possibility...and not give it another thought.

 

[Hollie]

Your conspiracy theory ramblings are boilerplate.
Critique of David Ray Griffin s 9 11 Fake Calls Theory by Erik Larson 911Blogger.comf...

Yet Larson had nothing to say about perhaps the most crucial point from Griffin's essay:

"...in spite of the fact that two women from American Flight 77 – Barbara Olson and flight attendant Renee May – were generally reported to have made cell phone calls, the graphics for them did not indicate that either of them had used a cell phone. And when we look at a May 2004 FBI report on phone calls from AA Flight 77, which “was conducted in support of the U.S. Justice Department’s criminal case against Zacarias Moussaoui,” we find this statement: “All of the calls from Flight 77 were made via the onboard airphone system.”39 "

Here's the referenced document:

Taken together, the FBI exhibit from my previous post and this FBI report confirming that all of the calls from Flight 77 were made via the onboard airphone system, we can only conclude that Barbara Olson was unsuccessful in any attempt to contact her husband.

This evidence strongly suggests one of two things: either Ted Olson lied about the two famous calls from his wife, or he was duped and the conversations he had were not with his wife. Either way, the widespread media reports of those calls were based on an intentional fabrication on somebody's part.

...And yes, citing the ramblings of a 9/11 conspiracy theory loon who's training and degrees are in theology and philosophy tends to further lessen the credibility of the conspiracy theory.

Right, because philosphers and theologians have historically contributed so little to legitimate fields of knowledge (like science and math).

Right, because the Twoofer loons are left to philosophers and theologians to sustain them in their fantasy world of conspiracy theories.

 

[Hollie]

More compelling evidence that fatally contradicts the Flight 77 aspect of the 9/11 Official Conspiracy Theory (hereafter the NEOCT):



Of course I realize that most of you probably won't bother to watch the above 45-minute presentation which both exposes the alleged FDR data from Flight 77 as fraudulent...and shows, that even it were fully legitimate, it directly contradicts the NEOCT in several key respects anyway!

For the collective benefit of those who do take the time though, Dennis Cimino's experience and qualifications as a Flight Data Recorder Expert are as follows:

• Electrical Engineer
• Commercial Pilot rating, since 1981
• Navy Combat Systems Specialist: RADAR, ECM, cryptographic communications
• Flight Data Recorder Engineer Smiths Aerospace
• BA-609, IDARS, Military and Commercial
• Millimeter wave RADAR and countermeasures expert since 1973
• Holder of two patents for Doppler RADAR ( Kavouras ): long pulsewidth RADAR droop compensation network, and wave guide arc detection for high powered RADAR

Your silly YouTube video is a lengthy example of the failure of the twoofers to present a credible argument.

The silly video is nothing but a twoofer rattling on for no apparent reason.

Hilarious. Griffin's not to be trusted because of his fields of expertise; Cimino's not to be trusted in spite of his fields of expertise. Seriously, you duhbwunkers should try a little harder to keep your stories straight.

Hilarious. Here we are, a decade and a half following 9/11 and you twoofers are still the sad, pathetic conspiracy theorists you were a decade and a half ago.

Should we wait another decade and a half for you twoofers to enlist Harun Yahya as a credible source?