"Why I Defend Socialism" from a Cuban

[alpine]

It's funny, every time some idiot tells me Cuba is a workers paradise.... I do some quick research, only about 1 hour this time, and find even more evidence of just how insane it is there...



Massive food shortages. All the state owned socialized 'for the people' farms, provide barely 20% of the food for the population. 80% of Cuba's food is imported even to this day, which of course is impossible because these morons claim we have a blockade which prevents Cuba from getting food. Right?

The average wage in Cuba is $15 a month.

This is another reason why I claim the entire leftist ideology is an ideology of spoiled brats. If you spoil your kids until they are rotten to the core, they will end up leftists. Here we are people whining and complaining about "fight for $15", so they can earn $15 an hour to flip a burger over on a grill, and in Cuba, $15 is how much they earn in a month. The minimum wage burger flipper in America, is like a the life of a top 1% in Cuba.

The opening view at 14 seconds, look in the lower right, you'll see a green front building, side facing the left. But the side of the building facing the camera, is white.... look at it closely.... it's not painted white.... That side of the building collapsed. That's the inner wall of the building. The rest is boarded up.

People LIVE there.

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In a country with a massive housing shortage, buildings have been left to decay so badly, right in the middle of Havana, that TREES are growing out of the building.

This is the socialist reality. This is where left-wing ideology leads to. This is the misery and impoverishment, and hopelessness of Bernie Sanders, and all the rest of them.

I am watching that video, and I am not seeing something....

Ahhh; People are not trying to chop each others heads on the streets.

Thats pretty good achievement, on this planet, relatively speaking.

It seems to me like, socialism was not that bad after all, for Cuban people......

 

[Andylusion]

The worst, and poorest in America, lives a life of luxury compared to most of Cuba.

That is a lie and you know it!

They can't even get Aspirin, and you are complaining about lacking insurance?

You say they can't get aspirin but I say that Cuba;s pharmaceutical productions has benefitted the world and has been instrumental in keeping their economy alive. Not only that, Cuba has a top notch medical school that trains doctors from all over the world providing free tuition, room and board .The only requirement is that the graduates donate their services to underserved countries,

Foolish mortal, I feast upon your ignorance, Behold, the Christ-like altruism conveyed by Castro to the developing world...free of charge... The USA has nothing to compare to this: I think Jesus would approve of Castro far more than anyone in our government.

The mission of ELAM is to make competent and cooperative doctors with the degree of MD (doctor of medicine), the same degree which is offered to medical graduates all over the Americas. The Latin American School of Medicine is officially recognized by the Educational Commission for Foreign Medical Graduates (ECFMG) and the World Health Organization. It is fully accredited by the Medical Board of California, which has the strictest US standards — which means that qualified US graduates of the Latin American School of Medicine are eligible to apply for residency placements in any state of the US.

It is preferred that ELAM students come from the poorest communities with the intent of returning to practice in those areas in their countries. Initially only enrolling students from Latin America and the Caribbean, the school has become open to applicants from impoverished and/or medically underserved areas in the United States and Africa. As part of Cuban international cooperation, ELAM is also training 800 medical doctors from Timor-Leste. [13]

Preference is given to applicants who are financially needy and/or people of color who show the most commitment to working in their poor communities.[4][5][10][14]

Final admissions decisions are made by a committee representing ELAM's faculty and the Cuban Ministry of Public Health.[6]

No aspirin? Who needs it when yo make your own replacement!

http://www.globalresearch.ca/cuba-develops-four-cancer-vaccines-ignored-by-the-media/5390303

You can't even grasp what you are saying....

Yes, Cuba did develop a vaccine, that they are going to SELL FOR PROFIT, to the rest of the world.

Now think about that...... The Cuban government, taxed it's people...... to pay for a drug that benefits us. People that are poor, and impoverished, living in homes that are crumbling to the ground, that can't barely buy food, earning $15 a MONTH........... Those people, are taxed, to pay for a vaccine that they are going to sell to *US*.

And think about training doctors to work in the US, and earn money in the US, and that training is paid for by whom? By poor impoverished Cubans earning $15 a MONTH, so that we can have doctors here in the US? And you think this is good?

It's funny, because you call it exploitation for Americans to sell goods to Cubans, and for Cubans to sell natural resources to Americans. That's exploitation in your book.

But taxing the crap out of impoverished Cubans, to train doctors WHO THEN LEAVE... and treat us in America.... that's NOT exploitation? Really?? You people a freak stupid.

 

[Andylusion]

It's funny, every time some idiot tells me Cuba is a workers paradise.... I do some quick research, only about 1 hour this time, and find even more evidence of just how insane it is there...



Massive food shortages. All the state owned socialized 'for the people' farms, provide barely 20% of the food for the population. 80% of Cuba's food is imported even to this day, which of course is impossible because these morons claim we have a blockade which prevents Cuba from getting food. Right?

The average wage in Cuba is $15 a month.

This is another reason why I claim the entire leftist ideology is an ideology of spoiled brats. If you spoil your kids until they are rotten to the core, they will end up leftists. Here we are people whining and complaining about "fight for $15", so they can earn $15 an hour to flip a burger over on a grill, and in Cuba, $15 is how much they earn in a month. The minimum wage burger flipper in America, is like a the life of a top 1% in Cuba.

The opening view at 14 seconds, look in the lower right, you'll see a green front building, side facing the left. But the side of the building facing the camera, is white.... look at it closely.... it's not painted white.... That side of the building collapsed. That's the inner wall of the building. The rest is boarded up.

People LIVE there.

View attachment 64200

In a country with a massive housing shortage, buildings have been left to decay so badly, right in the middle of Havana, that TREES are growing out of the building.

This is the socialist reality. This is where left-wing ideology leads to. This is the misery and impoverishment, and hopelessness of Bernie Sanders, and all the rest of them.

I am watching that video, and I am not seeing something....

Ahhh; People are not trying to chop each others heads on the streets.

Thats pretty good achievement, on this planet, relatively speaking.

It seems to me like, socialism was not that bad after all, for Cuban people......

Yeah..... Again... did you listen to the video? There was a person just taking a picture, and the police immediately detained her, and checked identification.... because she snapped a picture.

Yeah dude.... people are pretty calm and safe in an authoritarian dictator-run police state.... WHAT A SHOCK!

 

[Andylusion]

In a country with a massive housing shortage, buildings have been left to decay so badly, right in the middle of Havana, that TREES are growing out of the building.

DId you notice how clean the streets in those pictures ar?. Even among dilapidation and flaking decor, cleanliness is evidence that the minds of the people living there are not corrupted by drugs and indifference. That signifies community pride.

That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard while talking about Cuba.

Leftard: "Other than the ruination, crumbling housing, and object poverty..... HEY THE STREET IS CLEAN! SOCIALISM IS GREAT!"

Congrats... you are officially a moron.

 

[alpine]

In a country with a massive housing shortage, buildings have been left to decay so badly, right in the middle of Havana, that TREES are growing out of the building.

DId you notice how clean the streets in those pictures ar?. Even among dilapidation and flaking decor, cleanliness is evidence that the minds of the people living there are not corrupted by drugs and indifference. That signifies community pride.

That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard while talking about Cuba.

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Leftard: "Other than the ruination, crumbling housing, and object poverty..... HEY THE STREET IS CLEAN! SOCIALISM IS GREAT!"

Congrats... you are officially a moron.

I didnt say it is great. Nothing is great for human kind. They are bunch of greedy mfs...

I am talking "relatively", believe it or not, Cuba aint that bad after all....

 

[Andylusion]

In a country with a massive housing shortage, buildings have been left to decay so badly, right in the middle of Havana, that TREES are growing out of the building.

DId you notice how clean the streets in those pictures ar?. Even among dilapidation and flaking decor, cleanliness is evidence that the minds of the people living there are not corrupted by drugs and indifference. That signifies community pride.

That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard while talking about Cuba.

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Leftard: "Other than the ruination, crumbling housing, and object poverty..... HEY THE STREET IS CLEAN! SOCIALISM IS GREAT!"

Congrats... you are officially a moron.

I didnt say it is great. Nothing is great for human kind. They are bunch of greedy mfs...

I am talking "relatively", believe it or not, Cuba aint that bad after all....

Oh good heavens...... You can not possibly be serious.

You must be joking. You have to be. Tell me this is a joke? Right? lol....

First off, you are comparing Cuba to Venezuela, which is another socialist hell hole, and Bolivia, which is only marginally better.

Let's look at the list of stats used to claim "it's not all that bad".

Environmental Sustainability....... Really? Yeah when people are so impoverished they can't afford a car, or even electricity.... Carbon emissions are somewhat lower.... What a shock.....

Mobile Phone and Communication...... 22 per 100 people. Which has risen ever so slightly since the Communist government made it legal to own a cell phone.

Human Security..... We already covered this. Cuba is a police state. Pretty easy to lower crime in a dictatorship run police state. This isn't shocking.

Poverty.... Not Available.... Pretty easy to claim things are good, when you don't even give out poverty figures.

Inequality.... Not Available.... Pretty easy to claim things are equal, when you don't give out equality numbers. By the way, did you see the Castro body guard that wrote a book on how Castro lived a life of luxury on his own private island? Bet the luxury life of Communist officials wouldn't be calculated in that "equality index" huh?

Gender Index..... yeah gender equality is important, when everyone is equally poor and impoverished. Especially since the defacto way that women earn money is by being prostitutes. There's gender equality for you.

Trade.... Now that's funny. Trade is almost half the entire economy. What a shock given they have to import nearly everything.

Income.... Now this one is fascinating. You'll notice that they used GNI. Gross National Income. That's interesting, because in the US, and other first world countries, we tend to use GDP. Why Gross National Income?

The calculation for GDP, subtracts imported goods. GNI does not subtract imported goods.

The calculation for GNI, adds the taxes paid on imported goods. GDP does not add taxes paid on imported goods.

How nifty they found a way to make their country look better. And it's also humorous because they calculated 'per capita'. But tell me... where does that value go? In Cuba, the value of exported Sugar, and the value of tourism income.... doesn't go to the public. No no..... it goes to the government. So while the "per capita" income looks to be higher than Bolivia... in reality the "capita" of Bolivia is actually getting that money. The "capita" of Cuba, is getting virtually nothing. $15 a month is the average wage.

Health.... Again, we've covered this. Doctors in Cuba specifically do not report patient deaths, because doing so could lose them their jobs. We know this from numerous doctors who have defected to other countries, including Bolivia and other latin countries and the US, and they have said as much. Those numbers are simply lies.

Education.... All true... and who cares? Education for educations sake, is pointless and irrelevant. There are no jobs in Cuba for an engineer. So getting a degree in engineering, is pointless. There is a documentary called "Cuba: Waiting for a Revolution". In this documentary, one of the people they interviewed was a guy going to university in Cuba. He was getting a degree, so that he could get a job..... as a waiter. Yes.... as a waiter. A university degree, to get a job as a waiter at the resorts.

You need a degree to get a really high end, high pay job in Cuba.... as a waiter.

Watch the documentary yourself on youtube if you want. I won't post the video here, because this response is long enough. Just punch in "Cuba: Waiting for a Revolution" in youtube. It will come up.

Now tell me, who gives a crap how much education there is in Cuba, when the best you can hope for is a job as a waiter? Yay, free education! Go Bernie! If can just get Bernie to adopt Socialism and free education like Cuba.... You too can get your degree, so you can work as a waiter!

Bottom line..... That picture and all it's stats, and the "Cuba isn't so bad".... all of that is crap. Total BS.

 

[JQPublic1]

The worst, and poorest in America, lives a life of luxury compared to most of Cuba.

That is a lie and you know it!

They can't even get Aspirin, and you are complaining about lacking insurance?

You say they can't get aspirin but I say that Cuba;s pharmaceutical productions has benefitted the world and has been instrumental in keeping their economy alive. Not only that, Cuba has a top notch medical school that trains doctors from all over the world providing free tuition, room and board .The only requirement is that the graduates donate their services to underserved countries,

Foolish mortal, I feast upon your ignorance, Behold, the Christ-like altruism conveyed by Castro to the developing world...free of charge... The USA has nothing to compare to this: I think Jesus would approve of Castro far more than anyone in our government.

The mission of ELAM is to make competent and cooperative doctors with the degree of MD (doctor of medicine), the same degree which is offered to medical graduates all over the Americas. The Latin American School of Medicine is officially recognized by the Educational Commission for Foreign Medical Graduates (ECFMG) and the World Health Organization. It is fully accredited by the Medical Board of California, which has the strictest US standards — which means that qualified US graduates of the Latin American School of Medicine are eligible to apply for residency placements in any state of the US.

It is preferred that ELAM students come from the poorest communities with the intent of returning to practice in those areas in their countries. Initially only enrolling students from Latin America and the Caribbean, the school has become open to applicants from impoverished and/or medically underserved areas in the United States and Africa. As part of Cuban international cooperation, ELAM is also training 800 medical doctors from Timor-Leste. [13]

Preference is given to applicants who are financially needy and/or people of color who show the most commitment to working in their poor communities.[4][5][10][14]

Final admissions decisions are made by a committee representing ELAM's faculty and the Cuban Ministry of Public Health.[6]

No aspirin? Who needs it when yo make your own replacement!

http://www.globalresearch.ca/cuba-develops-four-cancer-vaccines-ignored-by-the-media/5390303

You can't even grasp what you are saying....

Yes, Cuba did develop a vaccine, that they are going to SELL FOR PROFIT, to the rest of the world.

Now think about that...... The Cuban government, taxed it's people...... to pay for a drug that benefits us. People that are poor, and impoverished, living in homes that are crumbling to the ground, that can't barely buy food, earning $15 a MONTH........... Those people, are taxed, to pay for a vaccine that they are going to sell to *US*.

And think about training doctors to work in the US, and earn money in the US, and that training is paid for by whom? By poor impoverished Cubans earning $15 a MONTH, so that we can have doctors here in the US? And you think this is good?

It's funny, because you call it exploitation for Americans to sell goods to Cubans, and for Cubans to sell natural resources to Americans. That's exploitation in your book.

But taxing the crap out of impoverished Cubans, to train doctors WHO THEN LEAVE... and treat us in America.... that's NOT exploitation? Really?? You people a freak stupid.

Reading comprehension is not one of your strong points I see. What good does it do to present to you the gift of unexpurgated truth when you can't even bring yourself to acknowledge it. It's there right in front of you and you attempt to add your own spin with impunity..dodging, dancing twisting and turning as the fires of enlightenment sizzle your flame broiled ass. Look again at the text. I have dumbed it down by highlighting in red the points you missed.

And, once again, your "aspirin" lie was so hilarious I still have an uncontrollable urge to chuckle every time I see it. Cuba's medical technology is so advanced that they have surpassed the USA and most other western countries in cancer research. Their Pharma industry is top notch and drugs are FREE for their citizens. And you waffle in here talking about "aspirin."? BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA1

 

[JQPublic1]

In a country with a massive housing shortage, buildings have been left to decay so badly, right in the middle of Havana, that TREES are growing out of the building.

DId you notice how clean the streets in those pictures ar?. Even among dilapidation and flaking decor, cleanliness is evidence that the minds of the people living there are not corrupted by drugs and indifference. That signifies community pride.

That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard while talking about Cuba.

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Leftard: "Other than the ruination, crumbling housing, and object poverty..... HEY THE STREET IS CLEAN! SOCIALISM IS GREAT!"

Congrats... you are officially a moron.

Is that really a picture of Cuba? I don't see a link? It could be anywhere... even Detroit or Mexico.

 

[Andylusion]

The worst, and poorest in America, lives a life of luxury compared to most of Cuba.

That is a lie and you know it!

They can't even get Aspirin, and you are complaining about lacking insurance?

You say they can't get aspirin but I say that Cuba;s pharmaceutical productions has benefitted the world and has been instrumental in keeping their economy alive. Not only that, Cuba has a top notch medical school that trains doctors from all over the world providing free tuition, room and board .The only requirement is that the graduates donate their services to underserved countries,

Foolish mortal, I feast upon your ignorance, Behold, the Christ-like altruism conveyed by Castro to the developing world...free of charge... The USA has nothing to compare to this: I think Jesus would approve of Castro far more than anyone in our government.

The mission of ELAM is to make competent and cooperative doctors with the degree of MD (doctor of medicine), the same degree which is offered to medical graduates all over the Americas. The Latin American School of Medicine is officially recognized by the Educational Commission for Foreign Medical Graduates (ECFMG) and the World Health Organization. It is fully accredited by the Medical Board of California, which has the strictest US standards — which means that qualified US graduates of the Latin American School of Medicine are eligible to apply for residency placements in any state of the US.

It is preferred that ELAM students come from the poorest communities with the intent of returning to practice in those areas in their countries. Initially only enrolling students from Latin America and the Caribbean, the school has become open to applicants from impoverished and/or medically underserved areas in the United States and Africa. As part of Cuban international cooperation, ELAM is also training 800 medical doctors from Timor-Leste. [13]

Preference is given to applicants who are financially needy and/or people of color who show the most commitment to working in their poor communities.[4][5][10][14]

Final admissions decisions are made by a committee representing ELAM's faculty and the Cuban Ministry of Public Health.[6]

No aspirin? Who needs it when yo make your own replacement!

http://www.globalresearch.ca/cuba-develops-four-cancer-vaccines-ignored-by-the-media/5390303

You can't even grasp what you are saying....

Yes, Cuba did develop a vaccine, that they are going to SELL FOR PROFIT, to the rest of the world.

Now think about that...... The Cuban government, taxed it's people...... to pay for a drug that benefits us. People that are poor, and impoverished, living in homes that are crumbling to the ground, that can't barely buy food, earning $15 a MONTH........... Those people, are taxed, to pay for a vaccine that they are going to sell to *US*.

And think about training doctors to work in the US, and earn money in the US, and that training is paid for by whom? By poor impoverished Cubans earning $15 a MONTH, so that we can have doctors here in the US? And you think this is good?

It's funny, because you call it exploitation for Americans to sell goods to Cubans, and for Cubans to sell natural resources to Americans. That's exploitation in your book.

But taxing the crap out of impoverished Cubans, to train doctors WHO THEN LEAVE... and treat us in America.... that's NOT exploitation? Really?? You people a freak stupid.

Reading comprehension is not one of your strong points I see. What good does it do to present to you the gift of unexpurgated truth when you can't even bring yourself to acknowledge it. It's there right in front of you and you attempt to add your own spin with impunity..dodging, dancing twisting and turning as the fires of enlightenment sizzle your flame broiled ass. Look again at the text. I have dumbed it down by highlighting in red the points you missed.

And, once again, your "aspirin" lie was so hilarious I still have an uncontrollable urge to chuckle every time I see it. Cuba's medical technology is so advanced that they have surpassed the USA and most other western countries in cancer research. There Pharma industry is top notch and drugs are FREE for their citizens. And you waffle in here talking about "aspirin."? BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA1

You really are ignorant.

Cuba's Much Lauded Health Care System No Longer Has Even Aspirin to Give Us

A thermometer is an object long-missing from the shelves of pharmacies operating in local currency, while the hard currency stores have the most modern digital models. Getting a pair of glasses to alleviate near-sightedness can take months through subsidized State channels, or twenty-four hours at Miramar Optical where you pay in convertible pesos. Nor do the bodies who staff the hospitals escape these contrasts: we can consult the most competent neurosurgeon in the entire Caribbean region, but he doesn't have even an aspirin to give us.​

For Cubans, a bitter pill: Castro's health care system is paid for through onerous taxation and cannot provide even basic drugs

But neither are available at the local pharmacy, which is neat and spotless, but stocks almost nothing. Even the most common pharmaceutical items, such as Aspirin and rubbing alcohol, are conspicuously absent. In their place there is a neat display of green boxes of herbal diet teas from Spain.​

Cable: 08HAVANA103_a

WikiLeaks US diplomatic cable, written by a nurse stationed in Cuba.

A Cuban woman in her thirties confides, "It's all about who you know. I'm okay because I am healthy and I have 'friends' in the medical field. If I didn't have my connections, and most Cubans do not, it would be horrible." She relates that Cubans are increasingly dissatisfied with their medical care. In addition to the general lack of supplies and medicines, and because so many doctors have been sent abroad, the neighborhood family physicians now care for 300-400 families and are overwhelmed by the workload.

Cancer patients are not provided with, nor can they find locally, simple medications such as Aspirin, Tylenol, skin lotions, vitamins, etc. Most Cuban patients are not offered Hospice Care or any social support programs for children, adults, or their care providers.​

Request Rejected

University of California mission trip to Cuba. Bring aspirin.

Manitoba woman dies of mystery illness after trip to Cuba

"The resorts are absolutely gorgeous where the tourists are, the facilities are beautiful, the beaches are amazing," John said. "But once we got to the medical centre, it was a horrendous shock.
"It was very dirty, everything had rust on it, there was no doors on anything, everyone seemed to be in their street clothes."

Staff at the clinic had her transferred later that morning to a hospital more than two hours away on mainland Cuba. She was admitted to the intensive care unit, put on a ventilator and treated for septic shock.

The hospital didn't have food, water or public toilets that worked, the family said. Sinks were also few and far between. At one point, hospital staff asked the family to go and bring back orange juice and push it though Barb's feeding tube​

The truths and tales of Cuban healthcare

By the time I moved to Cuba in 1997, there were serious shortages of medicine - from simple aspirin to more badly needed drugs.
Ironically, many medicines that cannot be found at a pharmacy are easily bought on the black market. Some doctors, nurses and cleaning staff smuggle the medicine out of the hospitals in a bid to make extra cash.

Although medical attention remains free, many patients did and still do bring their doctors food, money or other gifts to get to the front of the queue or to guarantee an appointment for an X-ray, blood test or operation.

If you do not have a contact or money to pay under the table, the waiting time for all but emergency procedures can be ridiculously long.

Many Cubans complain that top-level government and Communist Party officials have access to VIP health treatment, while ordinary people must queue from dawn for a routine test, with no guarantee that the allotted numbers will not run out before it is their turn.

And while the preventative healthcare system works well for children, women over the age of 40 are being shortchanged because yearly mammograms are not offered to the population at large.

I saw many hospitals where there was often no running water, the toilets did not flush, and the risk of infections - by the hospital's own admission - was extremely high.
​

Once again JQPublic1... I have proven you to be a total ignorant moron. Have a nice day.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

There is a long dark history of western democracies raping third world nations. I hope that it doesnt happen in Cuba.

In what way? Example?

All of Africa for a start.

 

[JQPublic1]

You really are ignorant.

I am not saying that Cuba is a capitalistic paradise. I am saying that all the BS and propaganda you posted is questionable. Castro's Cuba is doing a lot of good in the world and those loyal to Castor and Cuba are great ambassadors that helped me to realize that something great is going on there. ELAM does exist... Cuba is a producer of pharmaceuticals....Cuba does send troops to fight imperialists around the world...And now that the USA has re established ties with Cuba, there might be even more potential for helping third world countries without imposing devastating austerity measures on them to repay usurious loans.

I am addicted to a middle class western lifestyle, so no, I probably wouldn't enjoy living life as a Cuban in Cuba. Yet, I understand the courage and sacrifice loyal Cubans exhibit to make those third world countries marginalized by Western civilization, a better place. And hey do so selfishly. That , to me, is as Christ-like as you can get.

BTW the lifespan of Cubans are as long or longer than the lifespans of Americans...with or without aspirin...with or without all the perks and benefits we have come to expect in American hospitals and healthcare.... God bless Cuba and God SAVE America. VOTE Bernie!

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

There is a long dark history of western democracies raping third world nations. I hope that it doesnt happen in Cuba.

In what way? Example?

All of Africa for a start.

France forced Haiti to pay reparations for being Slaves that had freed themselves from being possessions
France's debt of dishonour to Haiti | Isabel Macdonald
In an open letter to French President Nicolas Sarkozy published in the French newspaper Libération, 90 leading academics, authors, journalists and human rights activists from around the world urged the French government to pay Haiti back for the 90m gold francs Haitians were forced to pay as a price for their independence.

 

[Andylusion]

There is a long dark history of western democracies raping third world nations. I hope that it doesnt happen in Cuba.

In what way? Example?

All of Africa for a start.

Could you be a tad more specific. "all of africa", doesn't mean anything. A plot of land, is not a woman, that can be forced upon.

Are you talking slavery? Because I don't see any international slave corporations, planning to go to Cuba and capture the residence.

Are you talking confiscation of resources? Because I don't see any countries passing Cuban resource confiscation acts.

Are you talking about trading? Because when two people meet, and agree on terms to conduct business, where both sides are in voluntary agreement to the terms given.... that is not "raping" a third world country, anymore than if I sell you my car, for an agreed price.

 

[Andylusion]

You really are ignorant.

I am not saying that Cuba is a capitalistic paradise. I am saying that all the BS and propaganda you posted is questionable. Castro's Cuba is doing a lot of good in the world and those loyal to Castor and Cuba are great ambassadors that helped me to realize that something great is going on there. ELAM does exist... Cuba is a producer of pharmaceuticals....Cuba does send troops to fight imperialists around the world...And now that the USA has re established ties with Cuba, there might be even more potential for helping third world countries without imposing devastating austerity measures on them to repay usurious loans.

I am addicted to a middle class western lifestyle, so no, I probably wouldn't enjoy living life as a Cuban in Cuba. Yet, I understand the courage and sacrifice loyal Cubans exhibit to make those third world countries marginalized by Western civilization, a better place. And hey do so selfishly. That , to me, is as Christ-like as you can get.

BTW the lifespan of Cubans are as long or longer than the lifespans of Americans...with or without aspirin...with or without all the perks and benefits we have come to expect in American hospitals and healthcare.... God bless Cuba and God SAVE America. VOTE Bernie!

lol.... that was so pathetic. You call 'facts' BS and propaganda, and then write out an entire post of non-stop BS and propaganda.

"Castro's Cuba is doing a lot of good in the world and those loyal to Castor and Cuba are great ambassadors that helped me to realize that something great is going on there."

Latin American Herald Tribune - Cuban Doctors Manage to Defect Via Venezuela

Around 500 Cuban doctors have defected to the United States while serving on aid missions in Venezuela, according to members of Cuban exile groups in Miami.
The latest case occurred on Wednesday when seven Cuban physicians managed to leave Caracas’ Maiquetia International Airport, after being held there for several hours and after paying hundreds of dollars each to officials.
“The Venezuelan and Cuban officials at Maiquetia systematically subject the doctors who want to leave to psychological pressure until finally they pay bribes,” Cuban doctor Keiler Moreno, who left Caracas five months ago, told Efe.
The bribes can range from $300 to as much as $2,000.​

"Yet, I understand the courage and sacrifice loyal Cubans exhibit to make those third world countries marginalized by Western civilization, a better place."

Really.... so being held in poverty by force, is your idea of "courage and sacrifice"? More BS and propaganda.

And 'marginalized' by western civilization? How are we doing anything to Cuba? We haven't done anything to Cuba. Cuba marginalized Cuba, by adopting socialism.

"Cuba does send troops to fight imperialists around the world"

Confirmed: Cuban forces arriving in Syria | RedState
Cuban Troops Join the Russian Offensive in Syria

They further detail that the Cuban soldiers will man Russian tanks that have been provided to Syrian head-of-state Bashar al-Assad.​

Cuba is helping to fight imperialists, by manning tanks in support of al-Assad who used chemical weapons on his own people.

"BTW the lifespan of Cubans are as long or longer than the lifespans of Americans...with or without aspirin...with or without all the perks and benefits we have come to expect in American hospitals and healthcare"

Yeah.... Right.

When you remove injuries, the US has one of the highest, if not the highest life expectancy in the world. The keys are murder, and auto fatalities.

Now we already established the fact that being a dictatorship run police state, does have the benefit of very low murder rates. And we also know that given the fact $15 a month, isn't enough to buy a car, the vast majority of the impoverished people of Cuba walk everywhere. Obviously with very few cars on the road, auto fatalities are low.

Lastly, life expectancy is inherently skewed for a number of reasons.

Cuban vs USA longevity

Of course, many people regard any figures about Cuba as at least partly fiction. But even if the longevity statistics are correct, they are open to interpretation. Carmelo Mesa-Lago, a professor emeritus of economics at the University of Pittsburgh, said statistics also show that Cuba has a high rate of abortion, which can lower infant mortality rates and improve life expectancy figures. The constant flow of refugees also may affect longevity figures, since those births are recorded but the deaths are not.​

Poor impoverished women of Cuba, often resort to prostitution as a source of income. Abortions are not counted as deaths, which lowers child mortality.

Moreover, even to this day, people leave Cuba routinely. Their births are recorded, but obviously their deaths (because they are not there), are not recorded.

The same article continues.....

“But even if I diagnosed something simple like bronchitis,” he said, “I couldn’t write a prescription for antibiotics, because there were none.”

He defected in 2000 while on a medical mission in Zimbabwe and made his way to the United States. He is now an urgent-care physician at Baptist Hospital in Miami.

Having practiced medicine in both Cuba and the United States, Dr. Cordova has an unusual perspective for comparison.
“Actually there are three systems,” Dr. Cordova said, because Cuba has two: one is for party officials and foreigners like those Mr. Moore brought to Havana. “It is as good as this one here, with all the resources, the best doctors, the best medicines, and nobody pays a cent,” he said.

But for the 11 million ordinary Cubans, hospitals are often ill equipped and patients “have to bring their own food, soap, sheets — they have to bring everything.” And up to 20,000 Cuban doctors may be working in Venezuela, creating a shortage in Cuba.​

So while you are praising Cuba for sending help to other countries, it does so while letting it's own people suffer in misery.

Sen. Tom Harkin says Cuba has lower child mortality, longer life expectancy than U.S.

"Cuba does have a very low infant mortality rate, but pregnant women are treated with very authoritarian tactics to maintain these favorable statistics," said Tassie Katherine Hirschfeld, the chair of the department of anthropology at the University of Oklahoma who spent nine months living in Cuba to study the nation's health system. "They are pressured to undergo abortions that they may not want if prenatal screening detects fetal abnormalities. If pregnant women develop complications, they are placed in ‘Casas de Maternidad’ for monitoring, even if they would prefer to be at home. Individual doctors are pressured by their superiors to reach certain statistical targets. If there is a spike in infant mortality in a certain district, doctors may be fired. There is pressure to falsify statistics."
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So let me boil that down. In order to maintain good statistics, mothers are pressured to have abortions if there is any chance of complications. Moreover, doctors are pressured to falsify records, to avoid damaging stats, and risk losing their jobs.

Bottom line:

You spewed out endless BS and propaganda, while accusing others of doing it.

I have responded to your BS, with fact. Once again, I have show how ignorant you are.

 

[alpine]

In a country with a massive housing shortage, buildings have been left to decay so badly, right in the middle of Havana, that TREES are growing out of the building.

DId you notice how clean the streets in those pictures ar?. Even among dilapidation and flaking decor, cleanliness is evidence that the minds of the people living there are not corrupted by drugs and indifference. That signifies community pride.

That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard while talking about Cuba.

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Leftard: "Other than the ruination, crumbling housing, and object poverty..... HEY THE STREET IS CLEAN! SOCIALISM IS GREAT!"

Congrats... you are officially a moron.

I didnt say it is great. Nothing is great for human kind. They are bunch of greedy mfs...

I am talking "relatively", believe it or not, Cuba aint that bad after all....

Oh good heavens...... You can not possibly be serious.

You must be joking. You have to be. Tell me this is a joke? Right? lol....

First off, you are comparing Cuba to Venezuela, which is another socialist hell hole, and Bolivia, which is only marginally better.

Let's look at the list of stats used to claim "it's not all that bad".

Environmental Sustainability....... Really? Yeah when people are so impoverished they can't afford a car, or even electricity.... Carbon emissions are somewhat lower.... What a shock.....

Mobile Phone and Communication...... 22 per 100 people. Which has risen ever so slightly since the Communist government made it legal to own a cell phone.

Human Security..... We already covered this. Cuba is a police state. Pretty easy to lower crime in a dictatorship run police state. This isn't shocking.

Poverty.... Not Available.... Pretty easy to claim things are good, when you don't even give out poverty figures.

Inequality.... Not Available.... Pretty easy to claim things are equal, when you don't give out equality numbers. By the way, did you see the Castro body guard that wrote a book on how Castro lived a life of luxury on his own private island? Bet the luxury life of Communist officials wouldn't be calculated in that "equality index" huh?

Gender Index..... yeah gender equality is important, when everyone is equally poor and impoverished. Especially since the defacto way that women earn money is by being prostitutes. There's gender equality for you.

Trade.... Now that's funny. Trade is almost half the entire economy. What a shock given they have to import nearly everything.

Income.... Now this one is fascinating. You'll notice that they used GNI. Gross National Income. That's interesting, because in the US, and other first world countries, we tend to use GDP. Why Gross National Income?

The calculation for GDP, subtracts imported goods. GNI does not subtract imported goods.

The calculation for GNI, adds the taxes paid on imported goods. GDP does not add taxes paid on imported goods.

How nifty they found a way to make their country look better. And it's also humorous because they calculated 'per capita'. But tell me... where does that value go? In Cuba, the value of exported Sugar, and the value of tourism income.... doesn't go to the public. No no..... it goes to the government. So while the "per capita" income looks to be higher than Bolivia... in reality the "capita" of Bolivia is actually getting that money. The "capita" of Cuba, is getting virtually nothing. $15 a month is the average wage.

Health.... Again, we've covered this. Doctors in Cuba specifically do not report patient deaths, because doing so could lose them their jobs. We know this from numerous doctors who have defected to other countries, including Bolivia and other latin countries and the US, and they have said as much. Those numbers are simply lies.

Education.... All true... and who cares? Education for educations sake, is pointless and irrelevant. There are no jobs in Cuba for an engineer. So getting a degree in engineering, is pointless. There is a documentary called "Cuba: Waiting for a Revolution". In this documentary, one of the people they interviewed was a guy going to university in Cuba. He was getting a degree, so that he could get a job..... as a waiter. Yes.... as a waiter. A university degree, to get a job as a waiter at the resorts.

You need a degree to get a really high end, high pay job in Cuba.... as a waiter.

Watch the documentary yourself on youtube if you want. I won't post the video here, because this response is long enough. Just punch in "Cuba: Waiting for a Revolution" in youtube. It will come up.

Now tell me, who gives a crap how much education there is in Cuba, when the best you can hope for is a job as a waiter? Yay, free education! Go Bernie! If can just get Bernie to adopt Socialism and free education like Cuba.... You too can get your degree, so you can work as a waiter!

Bottom line..... That picture and all it's stats, and the "Cuba isn't so bad".... all of that is crap. Total BS.

What is all this fuzz??

This is comparison of 3 similar countries in United Nations Human Development Index.

We are aware western countries are all great and magnificent and strong and powerful and rich and this and that and all the other bullshit you care sooo much about.

But; comparing to other similar countries (despite Cuba being the only one crushed under embargo) Cuba, relatively speaking(seems like you don't know the meaning but, here ya go), is in a pretty good shape by themselves.

If there was no embargo, they probably would have been in a much better shape.

The real test is up coming for them however. We shall see.....

 

[JQPublic1]

Lastly, life expectancy is inherently skewed for a number of reasons.

I am not interested in anything except the numbers. Life expectancy isn't skewed, it is what it is for whatever the reason. If you are less likely to die in an automobile accident in Cuba...well, that is just one more factor that makes living in the USA more dangerous, than living in Cuba. Here is a chart that shows Cuban life expectancy:

Latin America’s Demographic Divergence | Newgeography.com

Dayum, Cubans live longer than those Americans represented on YOUR chart.
This graph speaks louder than your words and your incessant propaganda!

Cuba is helping to fight imperialists, by manning tanks in support of al-Assad who used chemical weapons on his own people.

With the blessings of Donald Trump, I might add! Those are Russian tanks.

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When you remove injuries, the US has one of the highest, if not the highest life expectancy in the world. The keys are murder, and auto fatalities.

Unlike you, I don't rule causes of death out. ALL causes are to be considered not just those you want to handpick! But since you are so dense, I'll elaborate on the healthcare side once again/,..ready chump? Here ya go:

The number of US deaths attributed to medical error is also staggering. 90,000+ people die every year from medical error in this country. Adding that 45,000 uninsured deaths figure makes a whopping 135,000 poor souls lost in this country every year. I haven't heard that Cubans are experiencing a similar mortality rate due to medical error, not even proportionally.

 

[JQPublic1]

Leftard: "Other than the ruination, crumbling housing, and object poverty..... HEY THE STREET IS CLEAN! SOCIALISM IS GREAT!"

Here is a better view of that supposedly " crumbling" effect you associate with Cuba. I don't see many crumbs here!

 

[JQPublic1]

Really? Yeah when people are so impoverished they can't afford a car, or even electricity.... Carbon emissions are somewhat lower.... What a shock.....

But that could explain this graph:

 

[JQPublic1]

In a aprevious post I said:

"Yet, I understand the courage and sacrifice loyal Cubans exhibit to make those third world countries marginalized by Western civilization, a better place."

You misread it and said:

Really.... so being held in poverty by force, is your idea of "courage and sacrifice"? More BS and propaganda.

And 'marginalized' by western civilization? How are we doing anything to Cuba? We haven't done anything to Cuba. Cuba marginalized Cuba, by adopting socialism.

Your slow cognitive ability didn't allow you to reads the actual text so you projected what you wanted to see. Conviction and loyalty to humanity is a foreign concept to you. You cannot conceive of the notion that many, if not most, Cubans embrace their ideology and way of life with as much ardor as you do yours. Those souls place altruism above personal wealth. Altruism seems to be embedded in the fabric of Cuban life as shown by the benevolence freely shared with other impoverished nations of the world. It is as if a nation of militant monks have been mischaracterized as something other than the unwitting purveyors of Christian values they seem to be. What, but the hand of the Almighty could have protected this eponymous David (Cuba) against the wrath and might of the eponymous Goliath(USA)? Communism and Socialism ARE often linked with pure Christianity where love and peace trumps the aggressive drive to dominate and
exploit for profit at any cost.

 

[Andylusion]

In a aprevious post I said:

"Yet, I understand the courage and sacrifice loyal Cubans exhibit to make those third world countries marginalized by Western civilization, a better place."

You misread it and said:

Really.... so being held in poverty by force, is your idea of "courage and sacrifice"? More BS and propaganda.

And 'marginalized' by western civilization? How are we doing anything to Cuba? We haven't done anything to Cuba. Cuba marginalized Cuba, by adopting socialism.

Your slow cognitive ability didn't allow you to reads the actual text so you projected what you wanted to see. Conviction and loyalty to humanity is a foreign concept to you. You can conceive of the notion that many if not most Cubans embrace their ideology and way of life with as much ardor as you do yours. Those souls place altruism above personal wealth. Altruism seems to be embedded in the fabric of Cuban life as shown by the benevolence it freely shares with other impoverished nations of the world. It is as if a nation of militant monks have been mischaracterized as something other than the unwitting purveyors of Christian values they seem to be. What, but the hand of the Almighty could have protected this eponymous David (Cuba) against the wrath and might of the eponymous Goliath(USA)? Communism and Socialism ARE often linked with pure Christianity where love and peace trumps the aggressive drive to dominate and
exploit for profit at any cost.

No I understood exactly what you said. What you said, was wrong.

"I understand the courage and sacrifice loyal Cubans"

cour·age
ˈkərij/
noun
noun: courage
the ability to do something that frightens one.
"she called on all her courage to face the ordeal"
strength in the face of pain or grief.

They are not able to do anything. Up until these last few years, where the government has allowed them more freedom to open private enterprise, and engage in Capitalism, they have not been able to have courage to do anything at all, other than leave the country.

This is the courage of Cubans. To leave their country in rafts. Only to face Bill Clinton forcing them back to Cuba in some cases.

The courage to face the storm troopers of a left-wing president, forcing people back to a left-wing dictator.

sac·ri·fice
ˈsakrəˌfīs/
noun
noun: sacrifice; plural noun: sacrifices
1.
an act of slaughtering an animal or person or surrendering a possession as an offering to God or to a divine or supernatural figure.

They are not "surrendering" anything. They are not 'sacrificing'. They are being oppressed by a left wing dictator who dooms them to impoverishment for life.

So no, I understand what you said perfectly. What you said WAS WRONG. Period. You are WRONG.

And everything else you said was wrong too. Your entire post was wrong.