"Why I Defend Socialism" from a Cuban

[alpine]

Cuba: Why I Defend Socialism

"I am a Cuban who has lived for 76 years, therefore I know full well how life was before the revolution, having experienced it directly and indirectly.

As a result, it hurts me to read so many aspersions cast upon a government that fights tooth and nail to provide us a better life. If it hasn’t fully been able to do so, this is because of the many obstacles that have been put in its way."



Writer compares Cuba to Bolivia and Venezuela, and I think these examples could be extended by others, which Cuba is doing fairly well against. Especially considering the fact that; Cuba was blockaded by the Super Power of this planet for long and lacked the natural resources.

Tough job, good work, imo....

 

[ScienceRocks]

Cuba is marxist socialism that doesn't allow a private sector and doesnt make respect human rights. HOw the fuck can anyone compare social democracy to it??

Pure capitalism has just as many problems.

 

[alpine]

Cuba is marxist socialism that doesn't allow a private sector and doesnt make respect human rights. HOw the fuck can anyone compare social democracy to it??

Pure capitalism has just as many problems.

I dont think he does that tho.
He is comparing the "application", it seems to me.

 

[Two Thumbs]

he's obviously a fucking idiot who never had true freedom

the government before castro was a corrupt one, so there is no comparison to here.

if you want to give away your freedoms, there's plenty of countries taht will take you in, but you want to give away mine as well.

and that's wrong, not that leftist give a fuck about right and wrong as long as they get what they want

 

[Andylusion]

Cuba: Why I Defend Socialism

"I am a Cuban who has lived for 76 years, therefore I know full well how life was before the revolution, having experienced it directly and indirectly.

As a result, it hurts me to read so many aspersions cast upon a government that fights tooth and nail to provide us a better life. If it hasn’t fully been able to do so, this is because of the many obstacles that have been put in its way."



Writer compares Cuba to Bolivia and Venezuela, and I think these examples could be extended by others, which Cuba is doing fairly well against. Especially considering the fact that; Cuba was blockaded by the Super Power of this planet for long and lacked the natural resources.

Tough job, good work, imo....

I'm not sure how anyone from Cuba could defend Socialism, except they were in the government. People who worked in government under socialism, would obviously defend it, because their specific lot, got better.

But by any rational measure, any objective comparison, socialism ruined Cuba. You can see in the 1950s, that Cuba was very much a 1st world country. They were driving the same modern cars, Americans were driving at the time. They were living in the same modern buildings, that Americans lived in at the time. They has had a health care system very similar to that of America at the time.

By any quantifiable measure, they had the America standard of living.

While things are improving today in Cuba, for the past decade, they lived as a 3rd world country. They were still driving battered, and beaten 1950s cars, with more duct tape, than metal. Their buildings are patched and boarded and hobbled together, from the 1950s. Buildings routinely fall down.

Latin American Herald Tribune - Death Toll in Cuba Building Collapse Climbs to 4

And their health care system has been horrific. Doctors routinely refuse to report the death of patients, because if they do, they could lose the job they have. Aspirin is so rare, it's like finding a moon rock. People live 3 families in one home, because the housing shortage is so bad.

So I don't know where this guy was, or what job he had in the government, but he either smoked pot the entire communist era of Cuba, or he's lying.

The only other thing I'd argue with, is this myth of the blockade. There is no blockade of Cuba, and never was. America has an Embargo. The only country on the face of the planet, that Cuba absolutely can't trade with, is America.

But this BS that Cuba has no natural resources, and has a blockade against it, is ridiculous.

OEC - Cuba (CUB) Exports, Imports, and Trade Partners

Five seconds. Just five little seconds, to punch in Cuba Trade, and find that Cuba has imported $7 Billion dollars worth of goods. And has exported $2.5 Billion dollars worth of goods.

While those numbers seem small, remember that Cuba only has a GDP $6 Billion. Yes, that's right, they are importing more goods, than the entire country produces in a year.

How are they importing so much, if there is this mythical "blockade" of the country?

BTW, Cuba has more natural resources than Hong Kong.

Hong Kong isn't producing gold, nickle, iron ore, and sugar cane, or tabacco. Cuba is.

So this myth that cuba has no natural resource, and is blockaded by the US, all lies. All of it.

There is only one reason Cuba is poor. Socialism. Period.

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

There is only one reason Cuba is poor. Socialism. Period.

At least in Cuba they do not put lead in water for children...and they do not have the largest prison population, we do....and the Cuban Population is healthy and educated unlike the masses of Latin America...the Cuban Government did not gun down unarmed students protesting ...the US Government did that at Jackson State and at Kent State....in Cuba they do not boil prisoners alive like they did in Florida then claim the prisoner died of schizophrenia which is not a physical disease...Cuba has indeed been damaged economically by US plots and schemes enacted into law whether or not you want to admit it
FL Prison Guards Boil Mentally Ill Inmate Alive
Kent State and Jackson State
Cuba La Demanda: The People of Cuba vs. the U.S. Government

In Cuba, it is known simply as la demanda-the legal complaint.
On May 31, 1999, a lawsuit for $181 billion in wrongful death and personal injury damages was filed in Havana Provincial Civil Court against the government of the United States. The plaintiffs are eight national organizations, on behalf of their members, representing nearly the entire population of the island.
The complaint describes, in considerable detail, forty years of U.S. acts of aggression against Cuba, and specifies, often by name, date, and particular circumstances, each person known to have been killed or grievously wounded as a direct victim of this campaign. In all, 3,478 people were killed and an additional 2,099 seriously injured. (These figures do not include any indirect victims of the economic pressures, the blockade, the difficulties in obtaining medicine and food, all due to deliberate U.S. policy)
The complaint was served upon the United States through the appropriate diplomatic channels: from the Court, to the Cuban Ministry of Foreign Affairs, to the United States Department of State. As expected, the U.S. chose not to respond, and twenty days later was declared by the Court to be in default, in accordance with Cuban law.
Nevertheless, under Cuban law, as in most jurisdictions, a default by the defendant does not, by itself, authorize a judgment in the amount of damages requested. The plaintiff must still prove the two elements of such an action, that the defendant caused the damages and that the damages were in the amount claimed. Consequently, on July 5, 1999, what was ultimately to be a 13-day trial with testimony from 196 witnesses commenced in the large, elegantly marbled chamber where the Supreme Court of Cuba once sat. The trial ended on July 21, 1999, and the five-judge court recessed to prepare its judgment. As of this writing, the decision has not yet been announced.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Cuba is marxist socialism that doesn't allow a private sector and doesnt make respect human rights. HOw the fuck can anyone compare social democracy to it??

Pure capitalism has just as many problems.

Actually there is a thriving legitimate private sector in Cuba where people have set up their own businesses.

 

[Two Thumbs]

There is only one reason Cuba is poor. Socialism. Period.

At least in Cuba they do not put lead in water for children...and they do not have the largest prison population, we do....and the Cuban Population is healthy and educated unlike the masses of Latin America...the Cuban Government did not gun down unarmed students protesting ...the US Government did that at Jackson State and at Kent State....in Cuba they do not boil prisoners alive like they did in Florida then claim the prisoner died of schizophrenia which is not a physical disease...Cuba has indeed been damaged economically by US plots and schemes enacted into law whether or not you want to admit it
FL Prison Guards Boil Mentally Ill Inmate Alive
Kent State and Jackson State
Cuba La Demanda: The People of Cuba vs. the U.S. Government

In Cuba, it is known simply as la demanda-the legal complaint.
On May 31, 1999, a lawsuit for $181 billion in wrongful death and personal injury damages was filed in Havana Provincial Civil Court against the government of the United States. The plaintiffs are eight national organizations, on behalf of their members, representing nearly the entire population of the island.
The complaint describes, in considerable detail, forty years of U.S. acts of aggression against Cuba, and specifies, often by name, date, and particular circumstances, each person known to have been killed or grievously wounded as a direct victim of this campaign. In all, 3,478 people were killed and an additional 2,099 seriously injured. (These figures do not include any indirect victims of the economic pressures, the blockade, the difficulties in obtaining medicine and food, all due to deliberate U.S. policy)
The complaint was served upon the United States through the appropriate diplomatic channels: from the Court, to the Cuban Ministry of Foreign Affairs, to the United States Department of State. As expected, the U.S. chose not to respond, and twenty days later was declared by the Court to be in default, in accordance with Cuban law.
Nevertheless, under Cuban law, as in most jurisdictions, a default by the defendant does not, by itself, authorize a judgment in the amount of damages requested. The plaintiff must still prove the two elements of such an action, that the defendant caused the damages and that the damages were in the amount claimed. Consequently, on July 5, 1999, what was ultimately to be a 13-day trial with testimony from 196 witnesses commenced in the large, elegantly marbled chamber where the Supreme Court of Cuba once sat. The trial ended on July 21, 1999, and the five-judge court recessed to prepare its judgment. As of this writing, the decision has not yet been announced.

And thousands of cubans got on leaky things that sorta floated and risked death to leave cuba to come here b/c??????



don't bother

socialism sucks balls, you're just to fucking ignorant to grasp the idea, reality never sinks in to the sheed

 

[Two Thumbs]

Cuba is marxist socialism that doesn't allow a private sector and doesnt make respect human rights. HOw the fuck can anyone compare social democracy to it??

Pure capitalism has just as many problems.

Actually there is a thriving legitimate private sector in Cuba where people have set up their own businesses.

That's a new thing, castro finally allowed his people to own and run things.

but that's not part of the theme, is it

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

And thousands of cubans got on leaky things that sorta floated and risked death to leave cuba to come here b/c??????



don't bother

socialism sucks balls, you're just to fucking ignorant to grasp the idea, reality never sinks in to the sheed

Citizens of Mexico, The Dominican Republic, El Salvador , Haiti and others risked their lives to come here. I would say they are fleeing Democracy and the Capitalist system. It "SUCKS BALLS" according to what passes for logic in your screech.....

The difference is that Cuban citizens through the 1966 Cuban Adjustment Act are able to adjust their Legal status in US becoming eligible for resident status a year and day after arrival regardless of lack of entry documents and regardless of the means of conveyance for entry in the US...a huge advantage over the others I mentioned above...

 

[Votto]

Cuba is marxist socialism that doesn't allow a private sector and doesnt make respect human rights. HOw the fuck can anyone compare social democracy to it??

Pure capitalism has just as many problems.

If you had not noticed, the US recently passed the Patriot Act and NDAA that Obama signed into law enabling government to arrest its citizens without due process. They also attack the private sector daily passing over 40,000 new laws and regulations every year.

Look in that mirror Barak Obama.

From what I hear, Obama is off to Cuba instead of going to Justice Scalia's funeral. For the first time since Cuba turned to Marxist despotism a US president is visiting Cuba.

He must feel like he is going home again.

 

[Two Thumbs]

And thousands of cubans got on leaky things that sorta floated and risked death to leave cuba to come here b/c??????



don't bother

socialism sucks balls, you're just to fucking ignorant to grasp the idea, reality never sinks in to the sheed

Citizens of Mexico, The Dominican Republic, El Salvador , Haiti and others risked their lives to come here. I would say they are fleeing Democracy and the Capitalist system. It "SUCKS BALLS" according to what passes for logic in your screech.....

The difference is that Cuban citizens through the 1966 Cuban Adjustment Act are able to adjust their Legal status in US becoming eligible for resident status a year and day after arrival regardless of lack of entry documents and regardless of the means of conveyance for entry in the US...a huge advantage over the others I mentioned above...

You listed democracies, like the kind you want here, not one Constitutional republic or anything remotely not known for corruption.

the socialist in cuba overthrew a corrupt government, and still people fled, in leaky floating devices


Why do you hate freedom? Are you deluded into thinking socialism is freedom? Are you so ignorant of history that you want the government to be in charge of you? Do you actually think a socialist government means they can't be bribed?

government control of us, + crony capitalism is what you are trying to get, but you don't even grasp that.

 

[Andylusion]

Cuba is marxist socialism that doesn't allow a private sector and doesnt make respect human rights. HOw the fuck can anyone compare social democracy to it??

Pure capitalism has just as many problems.

Actually there is a thriving legitimate private sector in Cuba where people have set up their own businesses.

That is entirely true, but only in recent years under the right-wing capitalist reforms in recent years.

Before then, the entire country was entirely a trash can of poverty and decline, under left-wing socialist ideology.

 

[JQPublic1]

Cuba is marxist socialism that doesn't allow a private sector and doesnt make respect human rights. HOw the fuck can anyone compare social democracy to it??

Pure capitalism has just as many problems.

If you had not noticed, the US recently passed the Patriot Act and NDAA that Obama signed into law enabling government to arrest its citizens without due process. They also attack the private sector daily passing over 40,000 new laws and regulations every year.

Look in that mirror Barak Obama.

From what I hear, Obama is off to Cuba instead of going to Justice Scalia's funeral. For the first time since Cuba turned to Marxist despotism a US president is visiting Cuba.

He must feel like he is going home again.

You are not tying Obama to the Patriot Act are you? A republican president signed THAT into law. You continue with that ambiguous "they" to create your straw man
to insinuate that the Obama administration is attacking the private sector by "passing 40,000 new laws and regulations each year." I wasn't aware that the executive branch could pass ANY laws. I looked in that mirror and I don't see Obama's face...I see yours and it is quite red.

 

[JQPublic1]

Cuba is marxist socialism that doesn't allow a private sector and doesnt make respect human rights. HOw the fuck can anyone compare social democracy to it??

Pure capitalism has just as many problems.

Actually there is a thriving legitimate private sector in Cuba where people have set up their own businesses.

That is entirely true, but only in recent years under the right-wing capitalist reforms in recent years.

Before then, the entire country was entirely a trash can of poverty and decline, under left-wing socialist ideology.

I am puzzled as to why most of the civilized world seems to extol the virtues of Castro, even when Cuban expatriates excoriate him mercilessly everywhere they go. They, and the American Taliban ( right wing white males) seem to be Cuba's most vociferous critics.

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

Why do you hate freedom? Are you deluded into thinking socialism is freedom? .

Why do you hate reality so....why do you try to pretend you know what the term "socialism" means...you are a Right wing trained parrot upchucking what you are told...you did not know a thing about the 1966 Cuban Adjustment act..you know zilch about Cuba but that is not going to stop an entitled wing nut like you from spouting off ...

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

Cuba is marxist socialism that doesn't allow a private sector and doesnt make respect human rights. HOw the fuck can anyone compare social democracy to it??

Pure capitalism has just as many problems.

Actually there is a thriving legitimate private sector in Cuba where people have set up their own businesses.

That is entirely true, but only in recent years under the right-wing capitalist reforms in recent years.

Before then, the entire country was entirely a trash can of poverty and decline, under left-wing socialist ideology.

You are another crazy ass fool...that is one of the single most stupid uninformed thing I have read LOL

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

U.S. Military Wanted to Provoke War With Cuba - ABC News


In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba.

Code named Operation Northwoods, the plans reportedly included the possible assassination of Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities.

The plans were developed as ways to trick the American public and the international community into supporting a war to oust Cuba's then new leader, communist Fidel Castro.

 

[Two Thumbs]

Cuba is marxist socialism that doesn't allow a private sector and doesnt make respect human rights. HOw the fuck can anyone compare social democracy to it??

Pure capitalism has just as many problems.

If you had not noticed, the US recently passed the Patriot Act and NDAA that Obama signed into law enabling government to arrest its citizens without due process. They also attack the private sector daily passing over 40,000 new laws and regulations every year.

Look in that mirror Barak Obama.

From what I hear, Obama is off to Cuba instead of going to Justice Scalia's funeral. For the first time since Cuba turned to Marxist despotism a US president is visiting Cuba.

He must feel like he is going home again.

You are not tying Obama to the Patriot Act are you? A republican president signed THAT into law. You continue with that ambiguous "they" to create your straw man
to insinuate that the Obama administration is attacking the private sector by "passing 40,000 new laws and regulations each year." I wasn't aware that the executive branch could pass ANY laws. I looked in that mirror and I don't see Obama's face...I see yours and it is quite red.

obama said he would get rid of it, promised to do so 8 years ago

instead, he signed it and made it more powerful.

it's a law with an expiration date, it has to be passed again and again.

so yea, it's also on obama

 

[Two Thumbs]

Why do you hate freedom? Are you deluded into thinking socialism is freedom? .

Why do you hate reality so....why do you try to pretend you know what the term "socialism" means...you are a Right wing trained parrot upchucking what you are told...you did not know a thing about the 1966 Cuban Adjustment act..you know zilch about Cuba but that is not going to stop an entitled wing nut like you from spouting off ...

I know the word, I know the theory, but I also know what it is in action

you don't, you have now fucking idea how bad it really is, but hey, some people like being told what to do.

you want to be like cuba? fucking move there

oh, it sucks giving up that much freedom?