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Trump was bringing into play the electronic age. I watched his inauguration on my computer screen since it was made available widely to the world this time. This of course completely pissed off Democrats. They felt their god Obama did better. But I have been at the site personally where they gathered to personally watch the event. And the press lied to the public. Shame on the media. Notice who got angry. It was entirely the press and of course to the pleasure of Democrats. They worshiped their gods Obama and Clinton and could not tolerate giving accurate reports themselves.Just like when Trump declared he had the biggest inauguration in history. Who are we to tell Trump he was wrong?
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Which Mein Kampf did you read? There are more than one. Not that it matters, they're all/both idiotic ramblings of an insane person.The whole point of this "because socialist!" bullshit is to try to paint Nazis as left wing.
It's idiotic.
You have to be profoundly stupid to bleev Nazis are left wing. Especially after reading Mein Kampf.
Do you seriously compare the Nazis to this country where this country talks about left wings?The whole point of this "because socialist!" bullshit is to try to paint Nazis as left wing.
It's idiotic.
You have to be profoundly stupid to bleev Nazis are left wing. Especially after reading Mein Kampf.
It clearly pisses Democrats off to admit Hitler imposed on Germany what Democrats want imposed on America. Such as Government managed education. Why would Democrats want control over education. Because they are socialists.Which Mein Kampf did you read? There are more than one. Not that it matters, they're all/both idiotic ramblings of an insane person.
Hitler was a socialist. Period. Socialism was a widely held political belief in his day. The Reichstag of pre WW1 Germany had a majority of (maybe just a plurality) of socialists. Socialism was everywhere in Europe.
All different kinds of it. Believe it or not, Wiki has a pretty good section on it, describing the various forms of lunacy.
Hitler saw the excesses of Russian socialism and he wanted to try a "Third way". As did Musso before him.
Left Wing, Right Wing is such nonsense, it is far too imprecise to be of any value. Sounds like school children quibbling about Recess Arguments or which girl is the prettiest.
Hitler was a socialist. Period. Was he "Left Wing"? No. But neither was Stalin. Or Lenin. Or Mao.
Using Left and/or Right Wing to describe a political system is idiotic
Hitler almost made 'socialism' work. Had it not been for his God complex and his butchery, he could have pulled it off.Do you seriously compare the Nazis to this country where this country talks about left wings?
The nazis had a series of huge socialist programs for the Germans. This is why the Germans were wild over Hitler once he was fully in charge.
They delivered to the Germans things the Democrats take credit for delivering. And you do claim Democrats are left wingers.
Here is a direct quote from Hayek in The Road to Serfdom:Friedrich Hayek, a famous economist, proved the Germans of the 30s and 40s were clearly socialists.
So what is the gripe? Apparently American socialists hate the notion that they are not the only socialists. They use propaganda to try to undermine that indeed the Nazis were true socialists. In fact it is difficult to locate a group more socialist than were the Nazis.
This article for example tries to help the socialists of America by denouncing the version by Hayek who lived under those socialists and could easily testify as a true expert about socialism.
To the deniers. Ask why the Germans were so delighted with Hitler until he went to war? Ask how Hitler embarked under massive socialist programs that actually did cause Germany to once more be prosperous.
Because of the German prosperity under Hitler, one might think American socialists would be happy Hitler was a socialist. And point out he did deliver prosperity as they tell us now they can do.
Why Hayek was Right About Nazis Being Socialists
Why Hayek was Right About Nazis Being Socialists
"I would further ask him to concede that whether he agrees with the ends and goals of other socialists, their use of command and control and their introduction of some form of institutional central planning to pursue their declared 'social good' makes their system just as much a 'socialist' one...www.aier.org
No, the far left wants what Stalin imposed on Russia. You need to get your ideologies straight.It clearly pisses Democrats off to admit Hitler imposed on Germany what Democrats want imposed on America.
That’s the definition of venting!Venting? Not at all, just proving that stupid fucking idiots would cut their noses off just to spite their faces, and vote Demofascists. I mean, really, to murder babies inside or outside the womb is "CHOICE". Stupid is as stupid votes and they vote Dumbocrap.
I fought in here for years over the fact that the Media is biased. It is. dims swore to Gott in Himmel that the media was as fair as fair could be.It clearly pisses Democrats off to admit Hitler imposed on Germany what Democrats want imposed on America. Such as Government managed education. Why would Democrats want control over education. Because they are socialists.
An iron fist on health care. And again this socialist program is to get the approval of the masses that they also get to enjoy socialism. We can go on and on and comment that Biden has an iron fist on the Auto industry now. And that is socialist. We can keep this up for a long time showing that Hitler and the Democrats were made of the same cloth since both wanted the same things for their own countries.
I Do not argue this shit left wing nor right wing. I do not recall the Nazis doing that either.Here is a direct quote from Hayek in The Road to Serfdom:
The doctrines which had guided the ruling elements in Germany for the past generation were not opposed to the socialism in Marxism, but to the liberal elements contained in it, its internationalism and its democracy. And as it became increasingly clear that it was just these elements which formed obstacles to the realisation of socialism, the socialists of the left approached more and more to those of the right. It was the union of the anti-capitalist forces of the right and the left, the fusion of radical and conservative socialism, which drove out from Germany everything that was liberal.
As you can see, Hayek points out the socialism of the left and the right in Germany. Socialism was not just a left thing.
He also points out the nationalism of the Right is what attracted left and right socialists to Hitler's movement:
The connection between socialism and nationalism in Germany was close from the beginning. It is significant that the most important ancestors of National~Socialism-Fichte,Rodbertus,and Lassall-are at the same time acknowledged fathers of socialism. While theoretical socialism in its Marxist form was directing the German labour movement, the authoritarian and nationalist element receded for a time into the background. But not for long. From 1914 onwards there arose from the ranks of Marxist socialism one teacher after another who led, not the conservatives and reactionaries, but the hardworking labourer and idealist youth into the national-socialist fold. It was only thereafter that the tide of nationalist socialism attained major importance and rapidly grew into the Hitlerian doctrine. The war hysteria of1914, which, just because of the German defeat, was never fully cured, is the beginning of the modern development which produced National-Socialism, and it was largely with the assistance of old socialists that it rose during this period.
If you go back and read the quotes I posted from Hitler's Mein Kampf, this should clear up the stupid claims by the ignorant that Nazis were left wing.
The Nazis arose out of "conservative socialism" coupled with the kind of nationalism we see on the rise in the MAGA ranks.
But yet the sonofabitches had Leftest polices like mandating Unions, providing welfare and controlling production. Not to mention being authoritative and oppressive, which is the hallmark of all Leftest regimes.Nazi: It stands for a member of the far-right National Socialist German Workers' Party.
To ignore the nationalist element of the conservative socialism of the Nazis is to literally ignore half the facts.I Do not argue this shit left wing nor right wing. I do not recall the Nazis doing that either.
I stick to the truth. Socialism was deeply imbedded in the German culture.
Seems democarts would praise this since they too want socialism deeply imbedded in American culture. Democrats of America wage constant culture wars. And they lie by telling the worker they are on his side. Immense power and authority as proven that Biden has his mind set on, to impose his iron will on this nation, is proof for most intelligent posters that Biden is a devout socialist as are a good many Democrats.
So they attack the Nazis by trying to tell us that they were not excellent socialists who caused Germany to come out of the great depression very fast. And FDR admired it and used the Nazi system here. But Hitler could not be challenged in courts as was FDR. Democrats wanted such control they imposed on America enormous grift in the form of immense taxes on Americans. And had run this nation with an iron fist during the era of WW2.
A better example of venting is Charles Schumers terrible rant against the Supreme Court of the USA when he promised violence would be used against the Court.That’s the definition of venting!
FDR once asked his Ambassador to Italy to tell Mussolini to stop complimenting him. It was embarrassing him.I Do not argue this shit left wing nor right wing. I do not recall the Nazis doing that either.
I stick to the truth. Socialism was deeply imbedded in the German culture.
Seems democarts would praise this since they too want socialism deeply imbedded in American culture. Democrats of America wage constant culture wars. And they lie by telling the worker they are on his side. Immense power and authority as proven that Biden has his mind set on, to impose his iron will on this nation, is proof for most intelligent posters that Biden is a devout socialist as are a good many Democrats.
So they attack the Nazis by trying to tell us that they were not excellent socialists who caused Germany to come out of the great depression very fast. And FDR admired it and used the Nazi system here. But Hitler could not be challenged in courts as was FDR. Democrats wanted such control they imposed on America enormous grift in the form of immense taxes on Americans. And had run this nation with an iron fist during the era of WW2.
Gee, I wonder if that's why they called themselves 'National' Socialists??To ignore the nationalist element of the conservative socialism of the Nazis is to literally ignore half the facts.
You say you aren't trying to paint the Nazis as left wing and then go on a rant attempting to connect the Democrats to the Nazis.
Who do you think you are fooling except yourself and other ignorant people?
I spoke of stopping the use of terms like left wing as both are inventions intended to deceive.To ignore the nationalist element of the conservative socialism of the Nazis is to literally ignore half the facts.
You say you aren't trying to paint the Nazis as left wing and then go on a rant attempting to connect the Democrats to the Nazis.
Who do you think you are fooling except yourself and other ignorant people?
I've read The Road to Serfdom. I think I even did a book review of it on here a long time ago. I've certainly made references to it in some of my posts.
I don't recall Hayek ever claiming the Nazis were left wing.
That's probably why the author of your three year old link doesn't quote Hayek saying so.
As I showed above, Hitler himself claimed to be anti-Left. He mocked the Left. Why are you fighting the words of the man himself?
You derail topics by trying to discuss posters and move away from their actual points with taunts.To ignore the nationalist element of the conservative socialism of the Nazis is to literally ignore half the facts.
You say you aren't trying to paint the Nazis as left wing and then go on a rant attempting to connect the Democrats to the Nazis.
Who do you think you are fooling except yourself and other ignorant people?
Yes. Which is what made the Nazis right wing, just like the nationalists we see on the Right here in the US.Gee, I wonder if that's why they called themselves 'National' Socialists??