Why Have neither Democrats, nor Republicans suggested Price Controls on Health Premiums?

[Hafar1014]

The NHS in the UK is collapsing. Wait times are in months and years. Universal doesn't work

Those are facts creepazoid go look it up

 

[Hafar1014]

You're FOS, Russian bot.

It's worked for decades and no country has dropped it, to adopt the for profit healthcare system.US system.
Why is that?

The UK's National Health Service (NHS) is widely described as being in deep crisis, facing significant challenges like unprecedented demand, staff burnout, crumbling infrastructure, and record-long waiting lists, leading to public dissatisfaction and concerns about patient safety. While not officially "collapsed," reports and statements from medical leaders and think tanks use terms like "catastrophe," highlighting a "doom loop" of worsening performance, exacerbated by recent factors like strikes, underinvestment, and increased patient loads, especially from flu, threatening its ability to function effectively, particularly during winter.

Strikes could collapse flu-hit NHS amid worst crisis since ...​

The Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com › society › dec › christma...




1 day ago — Resident doctors are to strike from 17-22 December, although members of the British Medical Association (BMA) union are voting on a new offer ...

The Collapse of Britain's National Health Service​

Foundation for Economic Education
https://fee.org › articles › the-collapse-of-britains-nation...




Aug 10, 2025 — It's a poorly-kept secret that Britain's National Health Service (NHS) has faced crisis

U.K.'s public health service is in crisis, threatening an ...​

NBC News
https://www.nbcnews.com › world › europe › uks-publi...




Oct 5, 2025 — The crisis at the NHS coincides with an uptick in hostility toward immigrants — even though they are often people's doctors, nurses and ...

Startling Collapse In NHS Satisfaction Since Pandemic​

The King's Fund
https://www.kingsfund.org.uk › ... › press-releases




Apr 2, 2025 — The British public are deeply unhappy with the National Health Service – just 1 in 5 people (21%) in 2024 said they were satisfied with the way the NHS runs.

 

[Seymour Flops]

It needs more money, just like our healthcare. They`re too smart to put an insurance company exec in charge of their health. Insurance companies are middlemen who have never cured anyone of anything. Leeches first class.

So our healthcare is not "affordable" after fifteen years of he Affordable Care Act?

WTF?

My Gawd!

Let's hope and pray that they never pass anything called the "Healthy Food Act," or the "Educated Children Act." Our kids will become malnurished and ignorant and Dems and "not Dems" will say "spend more money!"

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

The UK's National Health Service (NHS) is widely described as being in deep crisis, facing significant challenges like unprecedented demand, staff burnout, crumbling infrastructure, and record-long waiting lists, leading to public dissatisfaction and concerns about patient safety. While not officially "collapsed," reports and statements from medical leaders and think tanks use terms like "catastrophe," highlighting a "doom loop" of worsening performance, exacerbated by recent factors like strikes, underinvestment, and increased patient loads, especially from flu, threatening its ability to function effectively, particularly during winter.

Strikes could collapse flu-hit NHS amid worst crisis since ...​

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The Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com › society › dec › christma...




1 day ago — Resident doctors are to strike from 17-22 December, although members of the British Medical Association (BMA) union are voting on a new offer ...

The Collapse of Britain's National Health Service​

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Foundation for Economic Education
https://fee.org › articles › the-collapse-of-britains-nation...




Aug 10, 2025 — It's a poorly-kept secret that Britain's National Health Service (NHS) has faced crisis

U.K.'s public health service is in crisis, threatening an ...​

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NBC News
https://www.nbcnews.com › world › europe › uks-publi...




Oct 5, 2025 — The crisis at the NHS coincides with an uptick in hostility toward immigrants — even though they are often people's doctors, nurses and ...

Startling Collapse In NHS Satisfaction Since Pandemic​

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The King's Fund
https://www.kingsfund.org.uk › ... › press-releases




Apr 2, 2025 — The British public are deeply unhappy with the National Health Service – just 1 in 5 people (21%) in 2024 said they were satisfied with the way the NHS runs.

So?

The US healthcare system is NO BETTER.
How many countries in the world are looking to adopt for profit US healthcare?

U.K.'s public health service is in crisis, threatening an ...​

NBC News
https://www.nbcnews.com › world › europe › uks-publi...
Oct 5, 2025 — Once touted as the envy of the world, the National Health Service is now “broken,” according to the government.

Though second nature to Brits, the ideal of the NHS is unfamiliar to many Americans: British people have universally free health care at the point of access — from ambulances attending car accidents to insulin for diabetes to cancer care to childbirth. Though some people do have private insurance, the idea of having to choose between illness and financial ruin is shocking in the U.K.

Americans are all too familiar.

Just as common are the tales of maddening, hourslong waits in overstretched emergency rooms, or weeklong delays just to see a community general practitioner. Many critics blame the sprawling crisis on years of underfunding by the now-ousted Conservative government of 2010-24, whose response to the 2008 financial crisis was to make drastic cuts to public services.

Just like all RWNJ's.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

So our healthcare is not "affordable" after fifteen years of he Affordable Care Act?

WTF?

My Gawd!

Let's hope and pray that they never pass anything called the "Healthy Food Act," or the "Educated Children Act." Our kids will become malnurished and ignorant and Dems and "not Dems" will say "spend more money!"

Sure as Trump touts his plan?

Trump floats giving Americans cash for health care and ...​

NBC News
https://www.nbcnews.com › trump-administration › tru...
Nov 9, 2025 — Trump floated directly paying Americans for their health care costs and giving out $2000 dividends from tariff revenue, ideas that administration officials later said were not formal proposals being sent to the Senate.

In one Truth Social post on Saturday, the president wrote, “I am recommending to Senate Republicans that the Hundreds of Billions of Dollars currently being sent to money sucking Insurance Companies in order to save the bad Healthcare provided by ObamaCare, BE SENT DIRECTLY TO THE PEOPLE SO THAT THEY CAN PURCHASE THEIR OWN, MUCH BETTER, HEALTHCARE.”

$2000 will get you an ambulance ride.

Then what?

 

[Hafar1014]

So?

The US healthcare system is NO BETTER.
How many countries in the world are looking to adopt for profit US healthcare?

U.K.'s public health service is in crisis, threatening an ...​

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NBC News
https://www.nbcnews.com › world › europe › uks-publi...
Oct 5, 2025 — Once touted as the envy of the world, the National Health Service is now “broken,” according to the government.

Though second nature to Brits, the ideal of the NHS is unfamiliar to many Americans: British people have universally free health care at the point of access — from ambulances attending car accidents to insulin for diabetes to cancer care to childbirth. Though some people do have private insurance, the idea of having to choose between illness and financial ruin is shocking in the U.K.

Americans are all too familiar.

Just as common are the tales of maddening, hourslong waits in overstretched emergency rooms, or weeklong delays just to see a community general practitioner. Many critics blame the sprawling crisis on years of underfunding by the now-ousted Conservative government of 2010-24, whose response to the 2008 financial crisis was to make drastic cuts to public services.

Just like all RWNJ's.

They pay more for healthcare and it sucks. They pay more income taxes a15% sales tax on everything and have lower standard of living. Thats not free.

NHS backlog data analysis

Analysis of monthly data releases by NHS England to highlight the huge pressures being placed on backlogs across the NHS - including operations data, cancer waiting list GP referrals and A&E waiting times.

www.bma.org.uk

The latest Referral to Treatment (RTT) figures for October 2025 show:

• The waiting list stood at 7.30 million cases, consisting of approximately 6.24 million individual patients waiting for treatment
• Around 2.80 million of these patients have been waiting over 18 weeks;
• Approximately 170,800 of these patients have been waiting over a year for treatment – a decrease from around 178,500 the previous month (Se[ptember 2025).
• The median waiting time for patients waiting to start treatment was 13.3 weeks – a significant increase from the pre-COVID median wait of 7.6 weeks in October 2019.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Sure as Trump touts his plan?

Trump floats giving Americans cash for health care and ...​

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NBC News
https://www.nbcnews.com › trump-administration › tru...
Nov 9, 2025 — Trump floated directly paying Americans for their health care costs and giving out $2000 dividends from tariff revenue, ideas that administration officials later said were not formal proposals being sent to the Senate.

In one Truth Social post on Saturday, the president wrote, “I am recommending to Senate Republicans that the Hundreds of Billions of Dollars currently being sent to money sucking Insurance Companies in order to save the bad Healthcare provided by ObamaCare, BE SENT DIRECTLY TO THE PEOPLE SO THAT THEY CAN PURCHASE THEIR OWN, MUCH BETTER, HEALTHCARE.”

$2000 will get you an ambulance ride.

Then what?

Trump has no plan for health insurance and probably never will have one. It's just talk. We need not lift a finger to prevent it from harming us, because it does not exist. It's talk.

The ACA is not just talk. It is an unworkable system that drains billions of dollars from our taxed, borrowed, and printed federal funds and puts it directly into the pockets of Insurance Provider CEO's and their millionaire and billionaire stockholders, minus the percent that is kicked back to lawmakers on both sides of the aisle in the form of campaign contributions while in office and lucrative lobbying fees once they leave office.

No matter how much we have spent on such things, healthcare gets less and less affordable.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

They pay more for healthcare and it sucks. They pay more income taxes a15% sales tax on everything and have lower standard of living. Thats not free.

No, shit.

At least THEY don't have to file for bankruptcy or owe thousands of dollars.

NHS backlog data analysis

Analysis of monthly data releases by NHS England to highlight the huge pressures being placed on backlogs across the NHS - including operations data, cancer waiting list GP referrals and A&E waiting times.

www.bma.org.uk

The latest Referral to Treatment (RTT) figures for October 2025 show:

• The waiting list stood at 7.30 million cases, consisting of approximately 6.24 million individual patients waiting for treatment
• Around 2.80 million of these patients have been waiting over 18 weeks;
• Approximately 170,800 of these patients have been waiting over a year for treatment – a decrease from around 178,500 the previous month (Se[ptember 2025).
• The median waiting time for patients waiting to start treatment was 13.3 weeks – a significant increase from the pre-COVID median wait of 7.6 weeks in October 2019.

New Survey Shows Physician Appointment Wait Times Surge​

AMN Healthcare
https://ir.amnhealthcare.com › news-release-details › ne...
May 27, 2025 — The 2025 Survey of Physician Appointment Wait Times reveals that it now takes an average of 31 days to schedule a physician appointment in 15 of the largest has increased by 19% since 2022 and by 48% since 2004, according to a new survey conducted by AMN Healthcare, the nation's leading healthcare workforce solutions company.

The 2025 Survey of Physician Appointment Wait Times reveals that it now takes an average of 31 days to schedule a physician appointment in 15 of the largest metropolitan areas in the United States. This is an increase from 26 days in 2022, the last year the survey was conducted, and from 21 days in 2004, the first year the survey was conducted.​

"Average physician appointment wait times are the longest they have been since we began conducting the survey in 2004," said Leah Grant, president of AMN Healthcare's Physician Solutions division (formerly known as Merritt Hawkins). "Longer physician appointment wait times are a significant indicator that the nation is experiencing a growing shortage of physicians."

The survey tracked average new patient physician appointment wait times in six specialties: obstetrics/gynecology, cardiology, orthopedic surgery, dermatology, gastroenterology, and family medicine. Average physician appointment wait times in the six specialties include:

• Obstetrics/Gynecology - 42 days, up 33% since 2022 and up 79% since 2004.
• Gastroenterology - 40 days (gastroenterology was added to the survey in 2025).
• Dermatology - 36.5 days, up 6% since 2022 and up 50% since 2004.
• Cardiology - 33 days, up 23% from 2022 and up 74% since 2004.
• Family Medicine - 23.5 days, up 14% since 2022 and up 16% since 2009, the first year family medicine was included in the survey.
• Orthopedic Surgery - 12 days, down 29% since 2022 and down 29% since 2004.

 

[playtime]

that would require regulations.

& right now 80% of your premium dollars for individual ins coverage, & 85% for group ins went directly to your are, instead of in some pencil pushing denier's pocker.

who knows after obamacare us dismantled. back to the good ol' days.

 

[MisterBeale]

after Republicans have repeatedly tried to gut it over the last decade.

If they hadn't passed an unconstitutional law, no one would have been trying to "gut," anything.

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Not Knot Sure About Specific Options "

* Medical Loss Ratio Does Not Limit Premiums Or Profits *

Why are the insurance companies being allowed to Jack up premiums to enrich themselves and their stockholders while being assured by both parties that the taxpayer will pick up the tab?

. Affordable Care Act Medical Loss Ratio Does Not Limit Premiums Or Profits .

. Offsetting ACA Enhanced Subsidy Extensions | Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget .

. Understanding the ACA Subsidy Discussion | Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget .

 

[IM2]

Democrats just throw money at their mistakes thats not a solution

It takes money to fix things. Republican mistakes have cost this country in a very large way. For example, the belief nm tax cuts for the rich and that trickle-down scam.

 

[IM2]

Obama initially wanted single payer. That would have solved the problem. But those like many here, hollered about socialism. So then the rising premiums are the cost of capitalism.

 

[Hafar1014]

It takes money to fix things. Republican mistakes have cost this country in a very large way. For example, the belief nm tax cuts for the rich and that trickle-down scam.

The GOP tax cuts targeted the middle class and elderly. Reagans tax cuts reversed the Carter disaster. When Trumps tax cuts kick in on Jan 1st. the middle class will get a large refund and their withholding will drop making their take home pay more. Every democrat voted against this. Youre against this right. Screw the middle class. Increase poverty great thinking.

 

[debbiedowner]

It's pretty simple, so I'll explain again.

Since the government is subsidizing increases in ACA premiums, the government has a responsibility to set limits no those increases.

Has nothing to to with controlling prices of things that the governments does not subsidize, which is a different topic.


Do you think that health insurance companies are owned by nuns who have taken vows of poverty?

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You said "since the government is subsidizing those premiums, the government has a responsibility to set limits on increases"

Winston had it right that an insurance company sends their proposed increases to the state department of insurance to approve and with ACA the state in turn sends to CMS if what they approved is good with them. So in essence the feds are just rubber stamping all rate increases.

 

[Dorian Mode]

Come on people, learn how congress really functions. Obamacare started out trying for Single Payer and then all the insurance companies and healthcare companies threated to not donate anymore to their campaigns and started lobbying very hard to keep the current system in place. That's how it went from UHC to ACA. It is so important for everyone to realize that congress and the government works for the lobbyists and donors, not We The People.

 

[Seymour Flops]

You said "since the government is subsidizing those premiums, the government has a responsibility to set limits on increases"

Winston had it right that an insurance company sends their proposed increases to the state department of insurance to approve and with ACA the state in turn sends to CMS if what they approved is good with them. So in essence the feds are just rubber stamping all rate increases.

Yes, that is what I am arguing against continuing.

 

[debbiedowner]

Yes, that is what I am arguing against continuing.

It might be hard to do since each insurance company has to have large amounts of money in reserves in case there is something catastrophic.

 

[debbiedowner]

Come on people, learn how congress really functions. Obamacare started out trying for Single Payer and then all the insurance companies and healthcare companies threated to not donate anymore to their campaigns and started lobbying very hard to keep the current system in place. That's how it went from UHC to ACA. It is so important for everyone to realize that congress and the government works for the lobbyists and donors, not We The People.

Somewhere at first there was a plan to let people buy into Medicare at either age 50 or 55 and just like when McCain gave the thumbs down in the Trump first term, old Joe Lieberman gave the thumbs down to the Medicare buy in which had republican support.

 

[Seymour Flops]

It might be hard to do since each insurance company has to have large amounts of money in reserves in case there is something catastrophic.

The same is true for home insurance companies, car insurance companies and life insurance companies, but they do not get massive subsidies sent directly to them paid for by waitresses and Amazon drivers.