Why Have neither Democrats, nor Republicans suggested Price Controls on Health Premiums?

Yeah, because price controls have always worked in the past! Are you channeling Richard Nixon's spirit here?
No comparison, and if you are as old as you claim, you should know better.

A freeze on all wages and prices has nothing to do with the government not allowing unlimited increases in premiums that the government subsidizes.

A disappointing response even from you.
 
If we had, which we probably have, what would you have said? Please be honest. See this is just like when we call you out for starting a war with Venezuela. It's not that we mind you starting a war. Us Democrats have started a few wars ourselves I'm sure. Can't think of one but I'm sure we have. Back when we were the racists and you guys were the Civil Rights party maybe.

Anyways, you guys already pulled this. You bashed Kamala when she said she would take on price gougers. Why did you have a problem with that? Now you want to do what you had a problem with?

That's our problem. We don't have a problem with price controls. For Regulations. OMG that dirty word Regulations. Ah so now you suddenly understand not all regulations are bad.

You're going to learn that a lot in the next 10 years with all the environmental deregulations that Trump passed to save CORPORATIONS money as if they are going to pass on those savings to you the people who's lungs will get cancer.
False comparison.

Once the government starts subsidizing corporation's price increases the government has a responsibility to make sure they don't take advantage and make sure that that those increases are not unlimited.

Those are the options: limit those increases or agree that they should be unlimited. Only the first makes any sense at all.

Why are you so eager to argue in favor of billionaires getting richer off of the taxpayers?
 
Uh....see Hillary Clinton circa 1994. Pretty sure she suggested this...and NOW you're on board with it? :auiqs.jpg::auiqs.jpg:She was WAY ahead of her time. :)
She actually proposed "limiting premiums" by having the government pay for most of them - not by telling insurance companies that they could only charge so much.

In other words, the system that democrats were only able to bring about under the cover of covid.
 
Why are the insurance companies being allowed to Jack up premiums to enrich themselves and their stockholders while being assured by both parties that the taxpayer will pick up the tab?

An investigation showed that insurance companies routinely accept applications for insurance from nonexistent, people. Why wouldn't they? They get the same subsidies for non existent people as they do for real people.

And even better, because the nonexistent people will never file a claim.


That needs to be cracked down on with a vengeance. Congress also needs to set a limit on how much they can increase premiums.

Base limits on the inflation rate, or on the prime lending rate, or just pick a number out of the air. Anything is better than giving them carte blanche, with their only limits being how outrageous can they be without having a taxpayers demand an end.

Lets cut to the chase and demand an end now, instead of these silly arguments over how much free money to give the insurance companies.
Obviously, you have no understanding of how the insurance market works. Health insurance companies, car insurance companies, property insurance companies, they all have to file rate increases with their respective state. In many cases, there is a loss ratio requirement. Those rate increases have to be approved.

These ACA subsidies, it is not free money for the insurance companies. That money is needed to pay claims. A big problem is people really don't understand the cost of health insurance. I mean they have a job, I would think many people here only insure themselves. And if you have company provided health insurance the company foots a huge part of the bill. Is that free money to the insurance companies?

Or maybe you are retired. On Medicare, enrolled in a Medicare Advantage plan with no plan premium. You pay your Medicare Part B premium and you think your Medicare Advantage plan is "free". Uh, no, the federal government is sending that provider hundreds of dollars per month, maybe even a thousand. Is that "free money" for the insurance companies?

Now, the OP article, that type of fraud, damn Skippy, that is free money for the insurance companies. Getting paid premiums for people that don't exist? Hell yeah, that is called a loss ratio of 0%. Whoo Hoo. But I doubt the insurance companies are doing that on purpose. Regardless, there should be increased due diligence on their part, or they face crippling fines and perhaps banishment from the program.

But honestly, the ACA marketplace, Medicare Advantage marketplace, they are shit shows. I mean just nasty. Literally, the wild, wild, West. I mean just a real world example of how those on Capital Hill are absolutely clueless as to how this real world operates. And it is not like they have not been given all the clues. Medicare Advantage, zero premium plan. Hell, some pay cash back, like with a grocery card or some bullshit. I guess that is next up with the ACA.

But let me give you the down and dirty. That Medicare Advantage plan, well it pays over a $600 commission to the signing agent. And worse, it can also pay out up to a thousand dollars to the FMO that sponsors that agent. It cost the person signing the contract nothing. I mean WTF you think was going to happen? Now, I heard the ACA was worse. I mean commissions on those policies might hit 5%. Those dudes got to turn and burn.

So how damn surprising is it that the fraud is rampant? I mean we have seen this in the Medicare Advantage market, billions have been paid out in fines and penalties. When this fraud is discovered, well it is claw back time. Reclaim the money and ask questions later. Is that not what they do when they pull you over for a drug bust?

There are some easy fixes. All those tax returns not complying, easy damn fix. Currently, the ACA is automatic re-enrollment. Do nothing, and you roll right back into the same plan. Hell no. And if your tax return doesn't comply, you done. Companies with a significant number of these "ghost" policyholders, they are done. Give them fair warning, like a quarter, and then it game on. They will be banned.

I mean this is how far we have fallen. Do you know what a book agent is? Back in the day, the book agent came by your house, every week. Probably had a set schedule, and he picked up his quarter, or maybe even a couple of bucks, for the life insurance premiums, on probably, everyone in the household. And what is so wild, you can actually see the results of their work, fifty years later. Financial discipline, ingrained in the next generation. Responsibility, forged within relationships.

Now, you buy your Medicare Advantage plan from some dude, in Cambodia, virtually chained to a desk. Nothing short of slave labor, barely surviving after fleeing China, and now hawking Medicare Advantage plans via the phone at the end of a whip. I mean it is not all that bad. They do have some domestic competition. Remote agents, paid hourly, maybe get some small spiffs.

But the next level. Well it is a damn money machine. The insurance business has never, ever, been about the upfront commission. It has always been about the trail, the renewal. And it still is. These FMO's burn through agents like no one's business, and they don't care. They get the marketing dollars, they bank the renewals, it is like a printing press. Time we took it back to the basics.
 
Obviously, you have no understanding of how the insurance market works. Health insurance companies, car insurance companies, property insurance companies, they all have to file rate increases with their respective state. In many cases, there is a loss ratio requirement. Those rate increases have to be approved.
Kewl.

If the state governments were providing the subsidies, and I would say leave it up to the state governments. But state lawmakers are at least as, if not more, susceptible to the type of legalized bribery at our congress folk are being controlled by.

Yeah not going to plow through the next seven or eight paragraphs. But this caught my eye:
Now, the OP article, that type of fraud, damn Skippy, that is free money for the insurance companies. Getting paid premiums for people that don't exist? Hell yeah, that is called a loss ratio of 0%. Whoo Hoo. But I doubt the insurance companies are doing that on purpose.
They are literally paying brokers to do it.

The fraud is terrible and we should try and reduce it. But every government program has fraud waste and abuse. Saying, "ooh, let's not change the program, but let's just eliminate the fraud waste and abuse" is a cop out.

We should not be subsidizing the affordable care act, since the whole point was that it would make insurance affordable. But until our politicians have the political will to put a stop to that we can at least control the increases.

The government shoveling so much money to health insurance providers who then kick back a significant percentage to the politicians is the real fraud that we need to stop.
 
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No comparison, and if you are as old as you claim, you should know better.

A freeze on all wages and prices has nothing to do with the government not allowing unlimited increases in premiums that the government subsidizes.

A disappointing response even from you.
You keep contradicting yourself. You want price controls and then you don't want price controls. Which is it?
 
False comparison.

Once the government starts subsidizing corporation's price increases the government has a responsibility to make sure they don't take advantage and make sure that that those increases are not unlimited.

Those are the options: limit those increases or agree that they should be unlimited. Only the first makes any sense at all.

Why are you so eager to argue in favor of billionaires getting richer off of the taxpayers?
WTF do billionaires have to do with healthcare?
 
You keep contradicting yourself. You want price controls and then you don't want price controls. Which is it?
It's pretty simple, so I'll explain again.

Since the government is subsidizing increases in ACA premiums, the government has a responsibility to set limits no those increases.

Has nothing to to with controlling prices of things that the governments does not subsidize, which is a different topic.

WTF do billionaires have to do with healthcare?
Do you think that health insurance companies are owned by nuns who have taken vows of poverty?

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It's pretty simple, so I'll explain again.

Since the government is subsidizing increases in ACA premiums, the government has a responsibility to set limits no those increases.

Has nothing to to with controlling prices of things that the governments does not subsidize, which is a different topic.


Do you think that health insurance companies are owned by nuns who have taken vows of poverty?

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That's 3. What else have ya got, bucky? As you said, most of those are public companies.
 
"We have to pass it to see what's in it"....
You damn lib suckers... you deserve what you got... over priced premiums... co pays... and managed healthcare....
and illegal aliens soaking up all the resources... enjoy suckers....
 
If we had, which we probably have, what would you have said? Please be honest. See this is just like when we call you out for starting a war with Venezuela. It's not that we mind you starting a war. Us Democrats have started a few wars ourselves I'm sure. Can't think of one but I'm sure we have. Back when we were the racists and you guys were the Civil Rights party maybe.

Anyways, you guys already pulled this. You bashed Kamala when she said she would take on price gougers. Why did you have a problem with that? Now you want to do what you had a problem with?

That's our problem. We don't have a problem with price controls. For Regulations. OMG that dirty word Regulations. Ah so now you suddenly understand not all regulations are bad.

You're going to learn that a lot in the next 10 years with all the environmental deregulations that Trump passed to save CORPORATIONS money as if they are going to pass on those savings to you the people who's lungs will get cancer.
You are sooooo stupid.
 
You are sooooo stupid.
You get the point. Obama’s illegal wars! You all claimed. You were playing politics. Now if we do trump said it’s sidition. Hypocrites.

Suddenly you are back to being pro nation building, regime change, meddling in foreign affairs.

Good doggy
 
You get the point. Obama’s illegal wars! You all claimed. You were playing politics. Now if we do trump said it’s sidition. Hypocrites.

Suddenly you are back to being pro nation building, regime change, meddling in foreign affairs.

Good doggy
You are sooooooo stupid.
 
You cant control prices unless you can control health.
 
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The NHS in the UK is collapsing
It needs more money, just like our healthcare. They`re too smart to put an insurance company exec in charge of their health. Insurance companies are middlemen who have never cured anyone of anything. Leeches first class.
 
The NHS in the UK is collapsing. Wait times are in months and years. Universal doesn't work
You're FOS, Russian bot.

It's worked for decades and no country has dropped it, to adopt the for profit healthcare system.US system.
Why is that?
 

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