Why DOGE is unconstitutional

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‘Even under the most aggressive view of the president’s “unitary executive” control over the entire executive branch and independent agencies, it is Congress’s sole authority to appropriate and legislate for our entire government. The president basically directs the executive branch within the contours prescribed by Congress, subject to constitutional checks and balances. To be sure, the president and Congress share policy responsibility because the president recommends budgets and necessary and expedient measures to Congress, whose bills the president can sign into law or veto. But in the end, the president is constitutionally stuck with the policies for the federal government that Congress enacts and appropriates. No one person in America is the law — not even a Trump or an Elon Musk.

So, how can the radical overhaul Trump and Musk are undertaking be reconciled with our constitutional order? Quite simply, it cannot be. Congress must step in to enact this radical transformation — or the Supreme Court must stop it.

In the past several years, the court has provided unmistakable direction that Congress, not the executive, determines the scope of federal policy. The court even narrowed the president’s previously long-held entitlement to deference when interpreting ambiguous laws and policies.

Specifically, the Trump-Musk quest for government efficiency is led by a “department” that Congress did not establish, by unelected operatives who exercise overwhelming authority without appointment under the appointments clause, who are not subject apparently to any checks and balances, who are not faithfully executing the laws Congress has appropriated and legislated, and who are in the process of eliminating whole agencies, programs and millions of employees without any congressional authorization whatsoever. And they are doing so without explaining and recommending such measures to Congress (or to the public, for that matter).’


There is no ‘DOGE’ – it is neither a department nor authorized agency; it is a lawless, un-Constitutional contrivance of Trump and Musk.
 
‘Even under the most aggressive view of the president’s “unitary executive” control over the entire executive branch and independent agencies, it is Congress’s sole authority to appropriate and legislate for our entire government. The president basically directs the executive branch within the contours prescribed by Congress, subject to constitutional checks and balances. To be sure, the president and Congress share policy responsibility because the president recommends budgets and necessary and expedient measures to Congress, whose bills the president can sign into law or veto. But in the end, the president is constitutionally stuck with the policies for the federal government that Congress enacts and appropriates. No one person in America is the law — not even a Trump or an Elon Musk.

So, how can the radical overhaul Trump and Musk are undertaking be reconciled with our constitutional order? Quite simply, it cannot be. Congress must step in to enact this radical transformation — or the Supreme Court must stop it.

In the past several years, the court has provided unmistakable direction that Congress, not the executive, determines the scope of federal policy. The court even narrowed the president’s previously long-held entitlement to deference when interpreting ambiguous laws and policies.

Specifically, the Trump-Musk quest for government efficiency is led by a “department” that Congress did not establish, by unelected operatives who exercise overwhelming authority without appointment under the appointments clause, who are not subject apparently to any checks and balances, who are not faithfully executing the laws Congress has appropriated and legislated, and who are in the process of eliminating whole agencies, programs and millions of employees without any congressional authorization whatsoever. And they are doing so without explaining and recommending such measures to Congress (or to the public, for that matter).’


There is no ‘DOGE’ – it is neither a department nor authorized agency; it is a lawless, un-Constitutional contrivance of Trump and Musk.


We'll see won't we ?
 
‘Even under the most aggressive view of the president’s “unitary executive” control over the entire executive branch and independent agencies, it is Congress’s sole authority to appropriate and legislate for our entire government. The president basically directs the executive branch within the contours prescribed by Congress, subject to constitutional checks and balances. To be sure, the president and Congress share policy responsibility because the president recommends budgets and necessary and expedient measures to Congress, whose bills the president can sign into law or veto. But in the end, the president is constitutionally stuck with the policies for the federal government that Congress enacts and appropriates. No one person in America is the law — not even a Trump or an Elon Musk.

So, how can the radical overhaul Trump and Musk are undertaking be reconciled with our constitutional order? Quite simply, it cannot be. Congress must step in to enact this radical transformation — or the Supreme Court must stop it.

In the past several years, the court has provided unmistakable direction that Congress, not the executive, determines the scope of federal policy. The court even narrowed the president’s previously long-held entitlement to deference when interpreting ambiguous laws and policies.

Specifically, the Trump-Musk quest for government efficiency is led by a “department” that Congress did not establish, by unelected operatives who exercise overwhelming authority without appointment under the appointments clause, who are not subject apparently to any checks and balances, who are not faithfully executing the laws Congress has appropriated and legislated, and who are in the process of eliminating whole agencies, programs and millions of employees without any congressional authorization whatsoever. And they are doing so without explaining and recommending such measures to Congress (or to the public, for that matter).’


There is no ‘DOGE’ – it is neither a department nor authorized agency; it is a lawless, un-Constitutional contrivance of Trump and Musk.
^^ Dems are in full panic mode over their corruption being exposed and the money being cut off.

How will they fund their insane agenda and future elections?
 
‘Even under the most aggressive view of the president’s “unitary executive” control over the entire executive branch and independent agencies, it is Congress’s sole authority to appropriate and legislate for our entire government. The president basically directs the executive branch within the contours prescribed by Congress, subject to constitutional checks and balances. To be sure, the president and Congress share policy responsibility because the president recommends budgets and necessary and expedient measures to Congress, whose bills the president can sign into law or veto. But in the end, the president is constitutionally stuck with the policies for the federal government that Congress enacts and appropriates. No one person in America is the law — not even a Trump or an Elon Musk.

So, how can the radical overhaul Trump and Musk are undertaking be reconciled with our constitutional order? Quite simply, it cannot be. Congress must step in to enact this radical transformation — or the Supreme Court must stop it.

In the past several years, the court has provided unmistakable direction that Congress, not the executive, determines the scope of federal policy. The court even narrowed the president’s previously long-held entitlement to deference when interpreting ambiguous laws and policies.

Specifically, the Trump-Musk quest for government efficiency is led by a “department” that Congress did not establish, by unelected operatives who exercise overwhelming authority without appointment under the appointments clause, who are not subject apparently to any checks and balances, who are not faithfully executing the laws Congress has appropriated and legislated, and who are in the process of eliminating whole agencies, programs and millions of employees without any congressional authorization whatsoever. And they are doing so without explaining and recommending such measures to Congress (or to the public, for that matter).’


There is no ‘DOGE’ – it is neither a department nor authorized agency; it is a lawless, un-Constitutional contrivance of Trump and Musk.
 
‘Even under the most aggressive view of the president’s “unitary executive” control over the entire executive branch and independent agencies, it is Congress’s sole authority to appropriate and legislate for our entire government. The president basically directs the executive branch within the contours prescribed by Congress, subject to constitutional checks and balances. To be sure, the president and Congress share policy responsibility because the president recommends budgets and necessary and expedient measures to Congress, whose bills the president can sign into law or veto. But in the end, the president is constitutionally stuck with the policies for the federal government that Congress enacts and appropriates. No one person in America is the law — not even a Trump or an Elon Musk.

So, how can the radical overhaul Trump and Musk are undertaking be reconciled with our constitutional order? Quite simply, it cannot be. Congress must step in to enact this radical transformation — or the Supreme Court must stop it.

In the past several years, the court has provided unmistakable direction that Congress, not the executive, determines the scope of federal policy. The court even narrowed the president’s previously long-held entitlement to deference when interpreting ambiguous laws and policies.

Specifically, the Trump-Musk quest for government efficiency is led by a “department” that Congress did not establish, by unelected operatives who exercise overwhelming authority without appointment under the appointments clause, who are not subject apparently to any checks and balances, who are not faithfully executing the laws Congress has appropriated and legislated, and who are in the process of eliminating whole agencies, programs and millions of employees without any congressional authorization whatsoever. And they are doing so without explaining and recommending such measures to Congress (or to the public, for that matter).’


There is no ‘DOGE’ – it is neither a department nor authorized agency; it is a lawless, un-Constitutional contrivance of Trump and Musk.
the DOGE will continue the work of the people and audit gov agencies and expose wasteful spending and corruption .. there is nothing you or your vile corrupt party can do about it ..
 
‘Even under the most aggressive view of the president’s “unitary executive” control over the entire executive branch and independent agencies, it is Congress’s sole authority to appropriate and legislate for our entire government. The president basically directs the executive branch within the contours prescribed by Congress, subject to constitutional checks and balances. To be sure, the president and Congress share policy responsibility because the president recommends budgets and necessary and expedient measures to Congress, whose bills the president can sign into law or veto. But in the end, the president is constitutionally stuck with the policies for the federal government that Congress enacts and appropriates. No one person in America is the law — not even a Trump or an Elon Musk.

So, how can the radical overhaul Trump and Musk are undertaking be reconciled with our constitutional order? Quite simply, it cannot be. Congress must step in to enact this radical transformation — or the Supreme Court must stop it.

In the past several years, the court has provided unmistakable direction that Congress, not the executive, determines the scope of federal policy. The court even narrowed the president’s previously long-held entitlement to deference when interpreting ambiguous laws and policies.

Specifically, the Trump-Musk quest for government efficiency is led by a “department” that Congress did not establish, by unelected operatives who exercise overwhelming authority without appointment under the appointments clause, who are not subject apparently to any checks and balances, who are not faithfully executing the laws Congress has appropriated and legislated, and who are in the process of eliminating whole agencies, programs and millions of employees without any congressional authorization whatsoever. And they are doing so without explaining and recommending such measures to Congress (or to the public, for that matter).’


There is no ‘DOGE’ – it is neither a department nor authorized agency; it is a lawless, un-Constitutional contrivance of Trump and Musk.


So what you're saying is the separation of powers doesn't exist, congress has full dictatorial powers over the executive branch? I don't think so.

BTW, you need links to support these claims:
In the past several years, the court has provided unmistakable direction that Congress, not the executive, determines the scope of federal policy. The court even narrowed the president’s previously long-held entitlement to deference when interpreting ambiguous laws and policies.
Also DOGE works under the Executive Offices of the President, they don't fall under the appointments clause and the President has the authority as the Chief Executive of the United States to have his agencies audited by anyone he choses.

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DOGE is legal and constitutional. For the simple reason that the president manages the executive branch of government

Democrats believe only democrats have authority.
Democrats believe if congress says that left handed people get their left hand cut off, it is constitutional
 
‘Even under the most aggressive view of the president’s “unitary executive” control over the entire executive branch and independent agencies, it is Congress’s sole authority to appropriate and legislate for our entire government. The president basically directs the executive branch within the contours prescribed by Congress, subject to constitutional checks and balances. To be sure, the president and Congress share policy responsibility because the president recommends budgets and necessary and expedient measures to Congress, whose bills the president can sign into law or veto. But in the end, the president is constitutionally stuck with the policies for the federal government that Congress enacts and appropriates. No one person in America is the law — not even a Trump or an Elon Musk.

So, how can the radical overhaul Trump and Musk are undertaking be reconciled with our constitutional order? Quite simply, it cannot be. Congress must step in to enact this radical transformation — or the Supreme Court must stop it.

In the past several years, the court has provided unmistakable direction that Congress, not the executive, determines the scope of federal policy. The court even narrowed the president’s previously long-held entitlement to deference when interpreting ambiguous laws and policies.

Specifically, the Trump-Musk quest for government efficiency is led by a “department” that Congress did not establish, by unelected operatives who exercise overwhelming authority without appointment under the appointments clause, who are not subject apparently to any checks and balances, who are not faithfully executing the laws Congress has appropriated and legislated, and who are in the process of eliminating whole agencies, programs and millions of employees without any congressional authorization whatsoever. And they are doing so without explaining and recommending such measures to Congress (or to the public, for that matter).’


There is no ‘DOGE’ – it is neither a department nor authorized agency; it is a lawless, un-Constitutional contrivance of Trump and Musk.
There's wrong, and then there's you.
 
that is the elephant in the room, democrats fund their campaigns by picking who they give taxpayer money to
If Trump and Musk manage to literally do what they are attempting to do, based on what I’ve seen in such a short time (like only what? 23 days so far?), that will dry up but quick.

It’s like Trump has discovered the vaccine to curing the diseased government.
 
So just like that, the Constitution isn't a "living document" subject to change and sacred again to democrats? That's good news.
I think that a case could be made that the groundwork is being laid to reinterpret the constitution as well as the roles of the government branches in terms of the framework of checks and balances.

That's a pretty big deal.

It's just such a shame that Congress can't be trusted to be competent and nonnegligent or uncorrupted. Otherwise we probably wouldn't be in this mess to the extent that we are as a nation.
 
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