Stephanie
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More bullshit fearmongering.
Why does the Rightwing Conservatives Hate Unions?
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More bullshit fearmongering.
trobinett
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Why do Left-wing liberals hate working?
you are either 1) lying for effect
or
2) the hands down dumbest ****** drawing breath on this planet
When Reagan got in office he immediately reduced taxes for the wealthy and doubled the National Debt. When Bush the Lesser got into office, he did the exact same thing.
The result of this is that it effectively transferred $11 trillion dollars from the middle class taxpayer to the wealthy. Probably the greatest attack on the middle class in the history of the United States.
The next step was be to eliminate savings and loans, the unions, Social Security, Medicare, the EPA, and any other programs that help the middle class. The Republican House is trying to do this right now.
The result of this is that it effectively transferred $11 trillion dollars from the middle class taxpayer to the wealthy. Probably the greatest attack on the middle class in the history of the United States.
The next step was be to eliminate savings and loans, the unions, Social Security, Medicare, the EPA, and any other programs that help the middle class. The Republican House is trying to do this right now.
Stephanie
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lol, funny how the EPA ended up in there.
How the hell do THEY help the middle class.?
and as we've seen all before the same tactics every time the Democrats-Progressives lose.
The EVIL Republicans want to ELIMINATE Social Security, Medicare, blaaaa blaaaaa bla
You need to do a little reading.
SFC Ollie
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You need to get your head out of your ass and learn to think for yourself.
Stephanie
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You need to think for yourself instead of regurgitating the Left-wing fearmongering crap.
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The Republican party is the Middle Class you ingrate.
Unions are why we're in the fiscal shape we're in today.
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Exactly. The right wingers hate labor (and by extension those who fight for the working person's rights/compensation, liberals). Labor unions turn-out LOTS of Dems at the polls, something they're WELL aware of.
There is indeed very much money involved here. Literally trillions for the plutocrats.
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I'd slap you around but I don't think the dumb would come out.
Dumbest statement this thread.
Harry Dresden
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ok i will ask you....so far no one who has said this that i have asked has given me an answer.....if they have point it out cause i missed it......Kaz ...WHY NOT?.....does the Government treat their workers any better than the private sector?.....do they adhere to the rules and regulations of the work place any better?......are workers treated with such respect that they just cant wait to get to work every day?.......and dont get me wrong i understand about the financial part....but when you say what you said....thats like your saying that no Govt Employee needs a Union because Govt. Supervisors are just the most Respectful Humane Supervisors in the Country...
They took easy, low responsibility jobs that contribute nothing to our economy.
come on down and carry a mail route.....see how "easy" it is....especially at Christmas time and when its either snowing or Raining....
Healthy Unions are an essential ingredient of broadly shared prosperity a.k.a. a Middle Class society. Unions are part of a larger network of elements which include progressive taxation, regulations, and middle class programs (all of which lead to solid jobs, stable financial markets, and an affordable cost of living).
Unions are one of the things that separates the 1st and 3rd world. In the 3rd world labor has no power. Workers are ruthlessly exploited in sweat shops. They cannot organize. For this reason, in the 3rd world all the wealth accumulates in the hands of a corrupt & wealthy elite who buy government for their own enrichment. Question: What separated America from the Soviets during the Cold War? Answer: America had a thriving middle class, whereas the average citizen in Russia was poor and powerless. American workers -- because of unions -- lived well and could send their children to college. That is to say, unions were part of what gave working class families upward mobility, the very thing that separated us from all those evil-doers the right is conditioned to hate.
[But there was a downside to the postwar world of unions and shared prosperity. The owners of capital had less wealth (and thus less money to fund elections and buy media, i.e., less concentrated power to shape laws and opinions). They could not retire young and leave their children with dynastic wealth. To the contrary, money was in the hands of more people who, in turn, pumped that money into the economy (which lead to incredible economic growth). Unions were one of the things that prevented the narrow concentration of wealth and political power. Unions gave average hard working Americans a seat at the table. Reaganomics moved unions out of Washington in favor of lobbyists]
The Reagan Revolution got rid of unions mostly in order to give the owners of capital cheap labor. They also pushed relentlessly for open borders so capital could flow instantaneously to the cheapest labor markets. That is, the anti-union movement went hand in glove with globalization, which itself was designed to give capital access to sweat shop labor in the 3rd world. The owners of capital shipped American jobs to terrible places -- places with dictators and terrorists -- because those places maintained an iron fist over their workers, paying them pennies a day to make Nikes. Conservative complaints about evil doers in the 3rd world are tragically ironic: the cheap oil and resources which capital requires comes from market arrangements made possible by the Reagan Revolution. Capital loves sweat shops because cheap labor means higher returns.
But most of all: capital hates unions because they hurt the bottom line.
The point of Reaganomics was to replace the GM job model (high wages and benefits) with a sea of no-benefit, low-wage temp jobs. This transition also required moving the middle class to debt-financed consumption. That is, under Reagan the middle class would increasingly be loaned the money they formerly made from union-guaranteed wages, benefits, and government programs. This formula (of keeping the middle class afloat with high interest loans) lead to unsustainable debt levels. It got so bad that Americans had to use their homes as ATMs just to maintain the very living standard that Reagan promised would trickle down. (Who knew that it would trickle down in the form of the credit industrial complex?)
Please note: the Right didn't reduce union membership overnight. They launched a 30 year propaganda war against them. They created an army of think tanks, political action committees, and popular media to shift American opinion against unions and government. They shifted populist anger from the corporate fat cat to the union boss. And it worked. The low information voter bought it hook-line-&-sinker. Now... today .... America is shifting to a 3rd world distribution scheme, where workers are paid less and less, and a small group of wealthy accumulate more and more, as they protect themselves inside hyper-secure gated neighborhoods.
The innocent conservative voter has been deceived. They voted for a movement which is bringing sweat shop poverty to the USA. This was the point of Reagan: to give cheap labor to capital. Welcome to it. You ain't seen nothing yet. In 2012 when the right re-takes the White House, they are going to need more terrorism than ever to distract the serfs from the final phase: Goodbye Social Security and Medicare. Welcome to the 3rd world people!
Unions are one of the things that separates the 1st and 3rd world. In the 3rd world labor has no power. Workers are ruthlessly exploited in sweat shops. They cannot organize. For this reason, in the 3rd world all the wealth accumulates in the hands of a corrupt & wealthy elite who buy government for their own enrichment. Question: What separated America from the Soviets during the Cold War? Answer: America had a thriving middle class, whereas the average citizen in Russia was poor and powerless. American workers -- because of unions -- lived well and could send their children to college. That is to say, unions were part of what gave working class families upward mobility, the very thing that separated us from all those evil-doers the right is conditioned to hate.
[But there was a downside to the postwar world of unions and shared prosperity. The owners of capital had less wealth (and thus less money to fund elections and buy media, i.e., less concentrated power to shape laws and opinions). They could not retire young and leave their children with dynastic wealth. To the contrary, money was in the hands of more people who, in turn, pumped that money into the economy (which lead to incredible economic growth). Unions were one of the things that prevented the narrow concentration of wealth and political power. Unions gave average hard working Americans a seat at the table. Reaganomics moved unions out of Washington in favor of lobbyists]
The Reagan Revolution got rid of unions mostly in order to give the owners of capital cheap labor. They also pushed relentlessly for open borders so capital could flow instantaneously to the cheapest labor markets. That is, the anti-union movement went hand in glove with globalization, which itself was designed to give capital access to sweat shop labor in the 3rd world. The owners of capital shipped American jobs to terrible places -- places with dictators and terrorists -- because those places maintained an iron fist over their workers, paying them pennies a day to make Nikes. Conservative complaints about evil doers in the 3rd world are tragically ironic: the cheap oil and resources which capital requires comes from market arrangements made possible by the Reagan Revolution. Capital loves sweat shops because cheap labor means higher returns.
But most of all: capital hates unions because they hurt the bottom line.
The point of Reaganomics was to replace the GM job model (high wages and benefits) with a sea of no-benefit, low-wage temp jobs. This transition also required moving the middle class to debt-financed consumption. That is, under Reagan the middle class would increasingly be loaned the money they formerly made from union-guaranteed wages, benefits, and government programs. This formula (of keeping the middle class afloat with high interest loans) lead to unsustainable debt levels. It got so bad that Americans had to use their homes as ATMs just to maintain the very living standard that Reagan promised would trickle down. (Who knew that it would trickle down in the form of the credit industrial complex?)
Please note: the Right didn't reduce union membership overnight. They launched a 30 year propaganda war against them. They created an army of think tanks, political action committees, and popular media to shift American opinion against unions and government. They shifted populist anger from the corporate fat cat to the union boss. And it worked. The low information voter bought it hook-line-&-sinker. Now... today .... America is shifting to a 3rd world distribution scheme, where workers are paid less and less, and a small group of wealthy accumulate more and more, as they protect themselves inside hyper-secure gated neighborhoods.
The innocent conservative voter has been deceived. They voted for a movement which is bringing sweat shop poverty to the USA. This was the point of Reagan: to give cheap labor to capital. Welcome to it. You ain't seen nothing yet. In 2012 when the right re-takes the White House, they are going to need more terrorism than ever to distract the serfs from the final phase: Goodbye Social Security and Medicare. Welcome to the 3rd world people!
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JakeStarkey
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Steph, you are bs'ing. The unions, the progressives conservative and liberal, and the federal government broughtthe 8-hour work day, safety laws in factories, laws making child labor illegal so forth and so on. Only the corporatists hate the unions. The unwashed right simply do not know how much they owe to them. But if Governor "Mubarek" Walker's proposals make law, the working right in WI and elsewhere will desert the GOP within two election cycles.
Harry Dresden
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so are you saying if the Republicans break up the Unions....these people will no longer vote?.....or are you saying they wont vote because WITHOUT the Union,they wont know who to vote for?.....which one do we got here?....
There's a difference between public and private sector unions, even FDR knew this. Get a clue Jake...the Republican?
Conservative Republicans don't hate unions. They don't like public sector unions, and don't want tax payer money bailing out private union's pension plans, other then that nothing wrong with unions F.D.R. Warned Us
“It is impossible to bargain collectively with the government.”
That wasn’t Newt Gingrich, or Ron Paul, or Ronald Reagan talking. That was George Meany -- the former president of the A.F.L.-C.I.O -- in 1955. Government unions are unremarkable today, but the labor movement once thought the idea absurd.
Public sector unions insist on laws that serve their interests -- at the expense of the common good. .The founders of the labor movement viewed unions as a vehicle to get workers more of the profits they help create. Government workers, however, don’t generate profits. They merely negotiate for more tax money. When government unions strike, they strike against taxpayers. F.D.R. considered this “unthinkable and intolerable.”
Government collective bargaining means voters do not have the final say on public policy. Instead their elected representatives must negotiate spending and policy decisions with unions. That is not exactly democratic – a fact that unions once recognized.
F.D.R. Warned Us About Public Sector Unions - Room for Debate - NYTimes.com
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