Why does the Rightwing Conservatives Hate Unions?

[California Girl]

Which part of 'we have no money' is over the intellectual paygrade of the OP? It's not an unreasonable demand... for public sector workers to meet some of their own benefits costs. You want a pension, great - contribute towards it. You want health coverage - great - contribute towards it. All the Gov is saying is that the public sector needs to operate like the private sector. It's not about unions - it's about money. We can't afford you, either go or take cuts. Either is fine.

This is how you break down a CaliGurl post...

Which part of 'we have no money' is over the intellectual paygrade of the OP?

This is known as the insult. You start your post with an insult so that your target is informed that they are not on par with you intellectually. This way they can't really argue with what follows

It's not an unreasonable demand... for public sector workers to meet some of their own benefits costs. You want a pension, great - contribute towards it. You want health coverage - great - contribute towards it. All the Gov is saying is that the public sector needs to operate like the private sector. It's not about unions - it's about money. We can't afford you, either go or take cuts. Either is fine

This is where she parrots a right wing talking point and passes it off as her own. The fact that workers have already conceded these issues is of no bearing....she has a point to make

Damn, I had not realized that other members are so stupid that they require you to translate my posts. My bad. I shall try to post in a more simplistic manner in future. Not.

I'm sure that the very few total idiots here are grateful for your spin on my thoughts. The majority - because most are quite intelligent - do not need your MSNBC spin.

Idiot.

 

[uscitizen]

Recovery? the recession is long over. The jobs situation will be a decade in restoring itself, if ever.

 

[California Girl]

Which part of 'we have no money' is over the intellectual paygrade of the OP? It's not an unreasonable demand... for public sector workers to meet some of their own benefits costs. You want a pension, great - contribute towards it. You want health coverage - great - contribute towards it. All the Gov is saying is that the public sector needs to operate like the private sector. It's not about unions - it's about money. We can't afford you, either go or take cuts. Either is fine.

This is how you break down a CaliGurl post...

Which part of 'we have no money' is over the intellectual paygrade of the OP?

This is known as the insult. You start your post with an insult so that your target is informed that they are not on par with you intellectually. This way they can't really argue with what follows

It's not an unreasonable demand... for public sector workers to meet some of their own benefits costs. You want a pension, great - contribute towards it. You want health coverage - great - contribute towards it. All the Gov is saying is that the public sector needs to operate like the private sector. It's not about unions - it's about money. We can't afford you, either go or take cuts. Either is fine

This is where she parrots a right wing talking point and passes it off as her own. The fact that workers have already conceded these issues is of no bearing....she has a point to make

CG is an idiot that knows nothing about government workers. I myself am a federal government worker and we do pay and contribute to our own health care and pension, CG obviously hasn't heard of TSP-Thrift Savings Plan.


Anyways, CG parrots rightwing babble as long as it doesn't affect her in a negative way, when it does thats when she starts playing the unbiased citizen with no preference for either party.


As for this:


All the Gov is saying is that the public sector needs to operate like the private sector.

Rephrase:

All the Republicans is saying is that the public sector needs to operate like the private sector.

You don't need to 'rephrase' my words, Charlie. I say what I mean.... you don't get to 'rephrase' my words. Focus on your own drivel.

 

[driveby]

The truth has no credibility with the right. If facts get in the way of your pre scripted talking points......ignore the facts

The Republican party is pure evil is a fact ?

No wonder lefties version of the truth makes no sense......

This coming from the same hankerchief head Tom who said real racism comes from left wingers, as if the racism on the right is fake racism or nonexistent.

All out of crack cocaine to sell to your own people this morning are we? .....

 

[mudwhistle]

The animosity is chilling, but never the less consistent and irritating. Maybe we could actually have a discussion without the name calling, and find out exactly what is the right cons problem with Unions.

It seems to me Unions are a role model for what Capitalism stands for. To exploit the corporation for fair living wages & benefits, in exchange for an honest days work. And to get a fair working package a negotiation takes place and a contract written explaining what each side expects from the other side (labor vs. business). Nothing is hidden.

Capitalism allows workers to negotiate their own wage & benefits as individuals or as a collective, with the idea of extracting the maximum from the employer for each hour of work performed. The employer hires as many people as he wishes, from those that will work for him, and exploits workers for the lowest wages & benefit packages he can get for his hour of labor.

So the Union member or private sector worker gives an honest days work, and the employer gives an honest days wages & benefits.

So why do rightys hate Unions? They support America and prefer capitalism?

Honest days work???

I can tell you've never been a member of a trade union.

 

[rightwinger]

Which part of 'we have no money' is over the intellectual paygrade of the OP? It's not an unreasonable demand... for public sector workers to meet some of their own benefits costs. You want a pension, great - contribute towards it. You want health coverage - great - contribute towards it. All the Gov is saying is that the public sector needs to operate like the private sector. It's not about unions - it's about money. We can't afford you, either go or take cuts. Either is fine.

This is how you break down a CaliGurl post...

Which part of 'we have no money' is over the intellectual paygrade of the OP?

This is known as the insult. You start your post with an insult so that your target is informed that they are not on par with you intellectually. This way they can't really argue with what follows

It's not an unreasonable demand... for public sector workers to meet some of their own benefits costs. You want a pension, great - contribute towards it. You want health coverage - great - contribute towards it. All the Gov is saying is that the public sector needs to operate like the private sector. It's not about unions - it's about money. We can't afford you, either go or take cuts. Either is fine

This is where she parrots a right wing talking point and passes it off as her own. The fact that workers have already conceded these issues is of no bearing....she has a point to make

Damn, I had not realized that other members are so stupid that they require you to translate my posts. My bad. I shall try to post in a more simplistic manner in future. Not.

I'm sure that the very few total idiots here are grateful for your spin on my thoughts. The majority - because most are quite intelligent - do not need your MSNBC spin.

Idiot.

Thanks for showing up on cue...
I couldn't have done a better job of defending my point
Notice a common thread in CaliGurl posts. There are intelligent posters (those who agree with CaliGurl) and there are idiot posters (those who do not)

Thanks

 

[percysunshine]

Unions are corrupt. Every time someone gets a state sponsored monopoly, ill follows.

 

[Bfgrn]

I dislike them because it often rewards the laziest employees on the backs of the hardest working with a collective group contract. If I outwork the guy next to me, I deserve more than him. In fact, I will not go on strike to save his job. If I work harder and better, my employer should reward me, not him. If a business is interested in success and being competitive, it rewards it's best workers while getting rid of it's worst workers. Common sense.

Unions go against all of the above.

I understand your complaint, and there is some truth to that. But the need for unions is also based on human foible. Without unions, the workers were exploited and abused. You can't attribute all human virtues to one group and all human failings to another. Unless you believe the world should be a aristocracy.

Unions don't set the top wage, they set the bottom wage, the minimum benefits and workplace safety. Your employer next door has the right to offer you more pay and benefits for your talent than a union shop...but not less.

 

[Bass v 2.0]

The Republican party is pure evil is a fact ?

No wonder lefties version of the truth makes no sense......

This coming from the same hankerchief head Tom who said real racism comes from left wingers, as if the racism on the right is fake racism or nonexistent.

All out of crack cocaine to sell to your own people this morning are we? .....

Mad because you're 102% African with a 2% margin of error and not like your good massa?

 

[Bass v 2.0]

This is how you break down a CaliGurl post...

Which part of 'we have no money' is over the intellectual paygrade of the OP?

This is known as the insult. You start your post with an insult so that your target is informed that they are not on par with you intellectually. This way they can't really argue with what follows

It's not an unreasonable demand... for public sector workers to meet some of their own benefits costs. You want a pension, great - contribute towards it. You want health coverage - great - contribute towards it. All the Gov is saying is that the public sector needs to operate like the private sector. It's not about unions - it's about money. We can't afford you, either go or take cuts. Either is fine

This is where she parrots a right wing talking point and passes it off as her own. The fact that workers have already conceded these issues is of no bearing....she has a point to make

CG is an idiot that knows nothing about government workers. I myself am a federal government worker and we do pay and contribute to our own health care and pension, CG obviously hasn't heard of TSP-Thrift Savings Plan.


Anyways, CG parrots rightwing babble as long as it doesn't affect her in a negative way, when it does thats when she starts playing the unbiased citizen with no preference for either party.


As for this:


All the Gov is saying is that the public sector needs to operate like the private sector.

Rephrase:

All the Republicans is saying is that the public sector needs to operate like the private sector.

You don't need to 'rephrase' my words, Charlie. I say what I mean.... you don't get to 'rephrase' my words. Focus on your own drivel.

I'm only trying to help you from making a bigger jackass out of yourself as well as correcting your lies and ignorance on government workers since I am a government employee myself.

 

[Ragnar]

Right wingers hate unions because they serve the corporations not the workers?

No.

Unions are corporations: who supply labor to the market.

Right leaning folks are wary of public unions because they are a monopoly. Government by definition has a monopoly on the use of force. Government unions supply labor to the government and work in tandem as parasites on the private sector.

 

[Stephanie]

Keep it up teachers in Wisconsin. You're making a real show for the people..And they're not liking it one bit....way to go.

Poll: Public unions a hard sell
A new poll from the Washington-based Clarus Group asked:

Do you think government employees should be represented by labor unions that bargain for higher pay, benefits and pensions ... or do you think government employees should not be represented by labor unions?

A full 64% of the respondents said "no."

That includes 42% of Democrats, and an overwhelming majority of Republicans. Only 49% of Democrats think public workers should be in unions at all.

That's on the fundamental right to organize, before you get to wages and benefits. And that puts Scott Walker in a pretty good political place.

(According to the release, this was a national survey of 1,001 registered voters. One note: Clarus is a division of the global corporate public relations giant Qorvis, not exactly a labor bastion.)

from with comments.
Poll: Public unions a hard sell - Ben Smith - POLITICO.com

 

[Wry Catcher]

As usual, the usual suspects, having failed to make even a half-reasoned argument to support the actions of Walker have devolved into making personal attacks and posting idiotgrams.
I'd like mudwistle to describe for us an example of an "honest days work".
Is an undocumented worker picking strawberry's under a hot sun for 10 hours engaging in honest work? Is an insurance agent selling a product to a customer engaging in honest work?
A used car salesman, a banker offering loans of 8% and giving less than 1% to savers? How about purvreyors of homiopathic 'remedies'?

 

[rightwinger]

Effective capitalism requires a careful balance between labor and management. There needs to be room for profit and there has to be the capability to make a living off the wage you are paid. If either side gets too much power then the country as a whole suffers

In good economic times, labor has the upper hand. In a poor economy, management holds all the cards. Unions have done a lot of good for the country...they have also held back a lot of progress. They are still a necessary evil. Collective bargaining keeps management from picking off workers. The whole is stronger than the sum of the parts.

Companies need to make a profit. Killing a company does neither side any good. But if a worker cannot earn enough to feed and house his family, you destroy the consumers in our economy

DAMMIT! I had to agree!

Stop being so sensible RW! Makes it hard to get mad at you later!

Aw hell... have rep (positive even) for this one.

One of my favorite union stories came from my grandfather. He was a union painter in the fifties when they came out with the paint roller. The unions refused to allow it's members to use a roller because you could paint a room three times as fast and would only need one third the workers
My grandfather said he would cover up the rollers with a tarp when the union guys came around and pull out the roller when they left.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Hmmmm. Interesting post. I read it and took it seriously and tried to be unbias. But one thing stuck out.

So in the last 50 years, union presence went from 36% to 11%, over a 200% drop.

And in the last 50 years, United States GDP and wealth has exploded to unthinkable heights.


So, on a graph, the union membership line would be steadily dropping...........as US GDP and wealth steadily shot upwards?

I think I see the correlation. Less unions = More national wealth. Hooray!!!!

Yeah.....More national wealth for those folks who can determine the appropriate layoff (headcount) to justify their compensation-package!!​

U.S. Chamber Of Commerce;
Record Compensation/Slashing American Jobs​

 

[percysunshine]

Right wingers hate unions because they serve the corporations not the workers?

No.

Unions are corporations: who supply labor to the market.....

Stop polluting the debate with facts...chuckle

 

[NYcarbineer]

Right wingers hate unions because they serve the corporations not the workers?

No.

Unions are corporations: who supply labor to the market.

Right leaning folks are wary of public unions because they are a monopoly. Government by definition has a monopoly on the use of force. Government unions supply labor to the government and work in tandem as parasites on the private sector.

You really should be ashamed of yourself for posting such idiocy.

It's really depressing to see someone who is smart enough to read and write also be dumb enough to see the education of America's children as parasitism.

 

[Ragnar]

Right wingers hate unions because they serve the corporations not the workers?

No.

Unions are corporations: who supply labor to the market.

Right leaning folks are wary of public unions because they are a monopoly. Government by definition has a monopoly on the use of force. Government unions supply labor to the government and work in tandem as parasites on the private sector.

You really should be ashamed of yourself for posting such idiocy.

It's really depressing to see someone who is smart enough to read and write also be dumb enough to see the education of America's children as parasitism.

It's really depressing to see someone who is smart enough to read and write also be dumb enough to think the current fight in Wisconsin is about the education of America's children.

 

[Bfgrn]

No.

Unions are corporations: who supply labor to the market.

Right leaning folks are wary of public unions because they are a monopoly. Government by definition has a monopoly on the use of force. Government unions supply labor to the government and work in tandem as parasites on the private sector.

You really should be ashamed of yourself for posting such idiocy.

It's really depressing to see someone who is smart enough to read and write also be dumb enough to see the education of America's children as parasitism.

It's really depressing to see someone who is smart enough to read and write also be dumb enough to think the current fight in Wisconsin is about the education of America's children.

And it is depressing to see someone who believes the current fight in Wisconsin is about wages and benefits. It's about destroying unions.

 

[percysunshine]

No.

Unions are corporations: who supply labor to the market.

Right leaning folks are wary of public unions because they are a monopoly. Government by definition has a monopoly on the use of force. Government unions supply labor to the government and work in tandem as parasites on the private sector.

You really should be ashamed of yourself for posting such idiocy.

It's really depressing to see someone who is smart enough to read and write also be dumb enough to see the education of America's children as parasitism.

It's really depressing to see someone who is smart enough to read and write also be dumb enough to think the current fight in Wisconsin is about the education of America's children.

Grammatically, you should drop the 'be' ...

Yet, we live in a cut and paste society...