Why does the left think the Constitution applies to non-Americans?

[brummelben]

Are you the resident right wing legal scholar?

Well, I am a constitutional conservative who has studied the Constitution for about 40 years. But no one needs to be a "legal scholar" to get the drop on a dope like you. About a 3rd grade reading level is really all you need.

thats the beauty of a message board, you can say whatever you want

 

[jc456]

They're Anti-American Globalists. Most of them do actually hate America. Our previous President was one of them. But beyond that, it's about sabotaging Trump. Anything he proposes will be vehemently opposed by the Left/Democrats. They've already made it clear they won't work with Trump on anything. So Trump's just gotta push forward without them. He has the pen & phone now. He'll get things done with or without the Democrats.

Sounds EXACTLY like what you did to Obama. Isn't payback fun?

It is kinda fun. If the Democrats were smarter, they would have tried to work with him. Who knows? Maybe they could have gotten some of what they wanted through compromise. They had nothing to lose.

But now it's all over. Trump will push on without them. Just like Obama's boasts about not needing the Republicans, Trump doesn't need the Democrats.

Why didn't the Republicans even attempt to work with Obama for 8 years?

Obama got just about his entire agenda through. Obamabots have no right to complain. But regardless, y'all should have probably worked with Trump a bit. You may have gotten some things you wanted by way of compromise. You had nothing to lose. But now you're all done. Trump will push forward without you. Your irrational hate is gonna cost ya bigtime.

Obama got NOTHING through and that includes dozens of judgeships, as well as the SC nominee.

which one?

 

[jc456]

Are you the resident right wing legal scholar?

Well, I am a constitutional conservative who has studied the Constitution for about 40 years. But no one needs to be a "legal scholar" to get the drop on a dope like you. About a 3rd grade reading level is really all you need.

thats the beauty of a message board, you can say whatever you want

and we love pointing out how wrong you are always.

 

[OKTexas]

So, none of righties are willing to show us where the Constitution says it doesn't apply to non-citizens on US soil.

Not every righty is an intellectual coward ... no, wait, all of them are.

Well next time you go to an airport tell the TSA they are violating the 4th amendment when they search you without a warrant explaining their probable cause to do so. Let us know how that works out for ya.

 

[Manonthestreet]

They're Anti-American Globalists. Most of them do actually hate America. Our previous President was one of them. But beyond that, it's about sabotaging Trump. Anything he proposes will be vehemently opposed by the Left/Democrats. They've already made it clear they won't work with Trump on anything. So Trump's just gotta push forward without them. He has the pen & phone now. He'll get things done with or without the Democrats.

Sounds EXACTLY like what you did to Obama. Isn't payback fun?

It is kinda fun. If the Democrats were smarter, they would have tried to work with him. Who knows? Maybe they could have gotten some of what they wanted through compromise. They had nothing to lose.

But now it's all over. Trump will push on without them. Just like Obama's boasts about not needing the Republicans, Trump doesn't need the Democrats.

Why didn't the Republicans even attempt to work with Obama for 8 years?

What reason was there....they were immediately told to shut up and go to back of the bus........and what exactly didnt Obama get besides his last justice

 

[jc456]

They're Anti-American Globalists. Most of them do actually hate America. Our previous President was one of them. But beyond that, it's about sabotaging Trump. Anything he proposes will be vehemently opposed by the Left/Democrats. They've already made it clear they won't work with Trump on anything. So Trump's just gotta push forward without them. He has the pen & phone now. He'll get things done with or without the Democrats.

Sounds EXACTLY like what you did to Obama. Isn't payback fun?

It is kinda fun. If the Democrats were smarter, they would have tried to work with him. Who knows? Maybe they could have gotten some of what they wanted through compromise. They had nothing to lose.

But now it's all over. Trump will push on without them. Just like Obama's boasts about not needing the Republicans, Trump doesn't need the Democrats.

Why didn't the Republicans even attempt to work with Obama for 8 years?

What reason was there....they were immediately told to shut up and go to back of the bus........and what exactly didnt Obama get besides his last justice

and oh by the fking way, no other president ever got to choose a justice during a presidential campaign year. EVAH!!!!!

 

[NYcarbineer]

I keep hearing this asinine argument from the left and it drives me nuts. Where in the hell do they get this concept that our Constitution is supposed to apply to everyone in the world and not just American citizens? Over and over, we come up on this issue of constitutionality and they consistently want to apply it to people who aren't subject to it. We cannot enforce our Constitution worldwide so we can't apply it that way. It's really as simple as that.

Then they want to make this silly argument about being "on American soil" ...as if, a radical jihadist could parachute into the country and as soon as his feet hits the ground he has instantaneous constitutional rights! That's not how it works. We are a humane nation who believes in basic human rights for everyone, and so we believe in treating people in accordance with basic human decency but that has nothing to do with constitutional rights. It is only the citizens of the United States who are protected by the Constitution. And guess what else? That's not ALWAYS an absolute!

Many of our constitutional rights have limitations and restrictions. If an American citizen travels to Mexico and returns, they aren't protected by the 4th Amendment against being searched and having property seized. We suspend that right at the border for national security reasons. We've determined that is "reasonable" and so the Amendment doesn't apply. And that's for an American citizen who IS protected by the Constitution!

There is nothing unconstitutional about Trump's executive order on restricting entry into the US. The President has plenary power granted under the Constitution and many presidents before him have used precisely the same plenary power to do the same thing. It's not a "Muslim ban" but guess what else? He's within his authority to make it one if he wants to! There is no restriction on this, the President has plenary power and he can make this effective for any country or ALL countries if he so chooses. He can make it against a specific religion... he can make it against people with red hair! There is nothing in the Constitution that prohibits him in any way with this. You may not LIKE it... but he has that authority under the Constitution.

So when the Creator endowed us with certain inalienable rights, he was only referring to American citizens?

 

[Care4all]

the constitution applies to everyone on our soil....do some reading up on it.

Sorry, no it doesn't. I've read extensively on it.

the Bill of rights applies to everyone on our soil that is answerable to our Laws,

most if not all, foreign diplomat ambassadors are exempt...

can you show us where the Bill of Rights states that ONLY CITIZENS are protected by our constitution's bill of rights?

 

[Dschrute3]

They're Anti-American Globalists. Most of them do actually hate America. Our previous President was one of them. But beyond that, it's about sabotaging Trump. Anything he proposes will be vehemently opposed by the Left/Democrats. They've already made it clear they won't work with Trump on anything. So Trump's just gotta push forward without them. He has the pen & phone now. He'll get things done with or without the Democrats.

Sounds EXACTLY like what you did to Obama. Isn't payback fun?

It is kinda fun. If the Democrats were smarter, they would have tried to work with him. Who knows? Maybe they could have gotten some of what they wanted through compromise. They had nothing to lose.

But now it's all over. Trump will push on without them. Just like Obama's boasts about not needing the Republicans, Trump doesn't need the Democrats.

Why didn't the Republicans even attempt to work with Obama for 8 years?

What reason was there....they were immediately told to shut up and go to back of the bus........and what exactly didnt Obama get besides his last justice

I don't see much that Obama didn't get. Just about all of his agenda got through. The Republicans didn't stop much. And you're Spot On. Obama boasted about not needing the Republicans. He set the ugly tone.

 

[NYcarbineer]

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and oh by the fking way, no other president ever got to choose a justice during a presidential campaign year. EVAH!!!!!

You're too stupid to claim oxygen on this planet.

One-third of all U.S. presidents appointed a Supreme Court justice in an election year

 

[Boss]

Obama got NOTHING through and that includes dozens of judgeships, as well as the SC nominee.

Wow... what a scathing and jaw-dropping evisceration of the failed Obama presidency!

 

[Care4all]

yur all nuts....

hello, the ''do nothing congress'' ring a bell?

more filibusters/needing 60 votes to pass legislation in our history

no obama budgets passed by congress or maybe 1 out of 8 budgets....

hundreds of appointed federal judge ships and other positions not approved or voted on by the Senate...or stalled for years,

HOLY HELL given every time obama had to request a debt increase....they even shut the gvt down...

Obama begged for congress to do immigration reform, NOTHING DONE

PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Timmy]

The right claims that they love the constitution but they don't even realize that it doesn't just cover citizens. ?

 

[Iceweasel]

They're Anti-American Globalists. Most of them do actually hate America. Our previous President was one of them. But beyond that, it's about sabotaging Trump. Anything he proposes will be vehemently opposed by the Left/Democrats. They've already made it clear they won't work with Trump on anything. So Trump's just gotta push forward without them. He has the pen & phone now. He'll get things done with or without the Democrats.

Sounds EXACTLY like what you did to Obama. Isn't payback fun?

It is kinda fun. If the Democrats were smarter, they would have tried to work with him. Who knows? Maybe they could have gotten some of what they wanted through compromise. They had nothing to lose.

But now it's all over. Trump will push on without them. Just like Obama's boasts about not needing the Republicans, Trump doesn't need the Democrats.

Why didn't the Republicans even attempt to work with Obama for 8 years?

They worked with him too much. That's what this election was all about. You're in a coma.

 

[Iceweasel]

yur all nuts....

hello, the ''do nothing congress'' ring a bell?

more filibusters/needing 60 votes to pass legislation in our history

no obama budgets passed by congress or maybe 1 out of 8 budgets....

hundreds of appointed federal judge ships and other positions not approved or voted on by the Senate...or stalled for years,

HOLY HELL given every time obama had to request a debt increase....they even shut the gvt down...

Obama begged for congress to do immigration reform, NOTHING DONE

PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!

LOL, Obama's idea of immigration reform was legalizing the illegals and you're all pissy the Republicans didn't agree. Tough shit. Your arrogance is why you lost.

 

[Iceweasel]

The right claims that they love the constitution but they don't even realize that it doesn't just cover citizens. ?

Not in the same way, Dimmy.


Alienage Classifications and the Equal Protection Clause
The Constitution affords protection to citizens in ways that it doesn't for non-citizens. The privileges and immunities clause of section 1 of the Fourteenth Amendment, for example, provides: "No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges and immunities of CITIZENS of the United States." Citizenship is also a prerequisite for voting under the 15th and 19th Amendments as for election to Congress or the Presidency.

 

[owebo]

the constitution applies to everyone on our soil....do some reading up on it.

Sorry, no it doesn't. I've read extensively on it.

the Bill of rights applies to everyone on our soil that is answerable to our Laws,

most if not all, foreign diplomat ambassadors are exempt...

can you show us where the Bill of Rights states that ONLY CITIZENS are protected by our constitution's bill of rights?

Even babies? The why do you kill them?

 

[Kosh]

It's because the Constitution doesn't say it applies only to citizens. It applies to everyone in the USA.

That is, the lefties actually follow the Constitution, and the righties don't.

And, looking at this thread, the righties here are all very proud of not following the Constitution.

Proof the far left drones have no clue about the Constitution!

 

[SavannahMann]

I keep hearing this asinine argument from the left and it drives me nuts. Where in the hell do they get this concept that our Constitution is supposed to apply to everyone in the world and not just American citizens? Over and over, we come up on this issue of constitutionality and they consistently want to apply it to people who aren't subject to it. We cannot enforce our Constitution worldwide so we can't apply it that way. It's really as simple as that.

Then they want to make this silly argument about being "on American soil" ...as if, a radical jihadist could parachute into the country and as soon as his feet hits the ground he has instantaneous constitutional rights! That's not how it works. We are a humane nation who believes in basic human rights for everyone, and so we believe in treating people in accordance with basic human decency but that has nothing to do with constitutional rights. It is only the citizens of the United States who are protected by the Constitution. And guess what else? That's not ALWAYS an absolute!

Many of our constitutional rights have limitations and restrictions. If an American citizen travels to Mexico and returns, they aren't protected by the 4th Amendment against being searched and having property seized. We suspend that right at the border for national security reasons. We've determined that is "reasonable" and so the Amendment doesn't apply. And that's for an American citizen who IS protected by the Constitution!

There is nothing unconstitutional about Trump's executive order on restricting entry into the US. The President has plenary power granted under the Constitution and many presidents before him have used precisely the same plenary power to do the same thing. It's not a "Muslim ban" but guess what else? He's within his authority to make it one if he wants to! There is no restriction on this, the President has plenary power and he can make this effective for any country or ALL countries if he so chooses. He can make it against a specific religion... he can make it against people with red hair! There is nothing in the Constitution that prohibits him in any way with this. You may not LIKE it... but he has that authority under the Constitution.

Nice rant.

Now if only the last century of legal decisions agreed with you.

Does The Constitution Protect Non-Citizens? Judges Say Yes

 

[NightFox]

the constitution applies to everyone on our soil....do some reading up on it.

HINT-this is why we had to set up GITMO, off our soil....

Yes and no, the Supreme Court has held for more than a century that non-citizens on US soil are entitled to Constitutional Protections that are not expressly reserved for Citizens, the primary application of which has been sourced in the 14th Amendment's "nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws" and the 5th Amendments "No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury", in other words foreign nationals on American Soil are "persons" and thus entitled to Constitutional Protections explicitly set aside for "person" (but not those explicitly set aside for "citizen"). Things get a little foggier where the Constitution refers to protections set aside for "the people" though such as First and Fourth Amendment protections although the court has tended to interpret those protections to also apply to non-citizens on US Soil as well.

Of course this wouldn't apply to foreign nationals that have been explicitly barred entry since they aren't legally on American Soil anyways.