Why do you support Ukraine?

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

What’s our national interest?

Prevent Russia from expanding its control over a democracy.

 

[tahuyaman]

Prevent Russia from expanding its control over a democracy.

That’s none of our business.

 

[SavannahMann]

That’s none of our business.

We tried that a couple times in the past. Isolationist. See World War 1, and 2, for the results.

 

[tahuyaman]

We tried that a couple times in the past. Isolationist. See World War 1, and 2, for the results.

We should not be engaging in nation building or using force to spread democracy. Many things which happen overseas is none of our business.

It is not isolationism to be less interventionist in our foreign policy. We can achieve a balance. Neo-cons don’t get that.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

That’s none of our business.

^ Your opinion.

 

[Lastamender]

^ Your opinion.

And his or her tax dollars. He or she is entitled to one.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

And his or her tax dollars. He or she is entitled to one.

Never said they were not.

 

[SavannahMann]

We should not be engaging in nation building or using force to spread democracy. Many things which happen overseas is none of our business.

It is not isolationism to be less interventionist in our foreign policy. We can achieve a balance. Neo-cons don’t get that.

We said Europes problems were Europes Problem. Not ours. Woodrow Wilson resisted getting involved until he had no choice. The final straw that woke everyone up, was a German plan to give Texas, New Mexico, and Arizona back to the Mexicans.

Now, imagine if instead of doing nothing, we had acted when the Japanese invaded Manchuria. If we got involved and drove them back out. Would Italy have invaded Ethiopia? I think not. Would Hitler have reoccupied the Rhineland? I doubt it. By doing nothing, we showed the thugs of the world that we would not do anything but bleat like sheep.

We did nothing. It costs us hundreds of thousands of lives later. It cost us uncountable millions of dollars.

Horrific war that lasted for years, costing millions of lives around the world. All of which would probably be avoided if we had acted earlier.

All my life, I’ve heard people grumble about troops in Germany, or Korea, or even Japan. I’ve heard them grumble, and complain, and argue that it is none of our business. But those people never have an answer other than none of our business.

Most of us learned, we learned that wars have a way of escalating. And those escalations will include us eventually.

We did nothing when Russia invaded Chechnya. We did nothing when the Russians marched into Georgia. We did nothing time and time again. Now, the Russians are looking to cut off NATO Allies. Make no mistake, Putin’s goal is to once again seize all of Eastern Europe.

If we are not to help now, when? When will we draw a line? And what would make Putin or his inevitable next leader believe we mean it?

One of the things that emboldened Osama Bin Laden was when we withdrew from Somalia. Osama said it proved America was a Paper Tiger. It emboldened many more of the Jihadist leaning folks to take up arms against us.

Most of us learned this lesson in school. If you stand up to the Bully, the fight is never as bad as it will be later. When the Bully is stronger, and has more followers.

Otherwise in ten years, you’ll be here explaining why it is none of our business if Russia takes Germany. Will it be our business if they take Alaska? Or will it just be another not worth the fight excuse?

 

[tahuyaman]

^ Your opinion.

It’s none of our business. We should avoid participating in nation building. We should avoid imposing our form of democracy by military force.

We can’t take care of the rest of the world.

 

[Ringo]

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

It’s none of our business. We should avoid participating in nation building. We should avoid imposing our form of democracy by military force.

We can’t take care of the rest of the world.

We are not nation building, as Ukraine is a democracy and already "built". We are just trying to keep them that way.

 

[tahuyaman]

We are not nation building, as Ukraine is a democracy and already "built". We are just trying to keep them that way.

We need to be more concerned with protecting our own democratic system. We have no business meddling in Ukraine. All it is doing is taking us closer to another avoidable war.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

We need to be more concerned with protecting our own democratic system. We have no business meddling in Ukraine. All it is doing is taking us closer to another avoidable war.

You think our President is concerned with any major domestic issue? Say no to drugs!

 

[tahuyaman]

You think our President is concerned with any major domestic issue? Say no to drugs!

He’s only concerned with spreading wokism in the US. You’re a clown who should be dismissed as a neo-con clown.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

He’s only concerned with spreading wokism in the US. You’re a clown who should be dismissed as a neo-con clown.

I am about as neo-con as the Pope. You are flailing because you have been bested in debate.

 

[tahuyaman]

I am about as neo-con as the Pope. You are flailing because you have been bested in debate.

You are advocating a neo-con stance of intervening in a conflict which is none of our business. You haven’t provided anything which supports your foolish idea that there’s a vital American national interest in play there. Nothing. That’s because there is no American national interest here.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

You are advocating a neo-con stance of intervening in a conflict which is none of our business. You haven’t provided anything which supports your foolish idea that there’s a vital American national interest in play there. Nothing. That’s because there is no American national interest here.

You need to learn what a neo-con is. You are incorrect.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

You are advocating a neo-con stance of intervening in a conflict which is none of our business. You haven’t provided anything which supports your foolish idea that there’s a vital American national interest in play there. Nothing. That’s because there is no American national interest here.

Neoconservatism is a political movement that began in the United States during the 1960s among liberal hawks who became disenchanted with the increasingly pacifist foreign policy of the Democratic Party and with the growing New Left and counterculture of the 1960s,.

Neoconservatism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Liberals were becoming increasing pacifist, even where we had a national interest. We have an interest in preventing Ukraine from being conqured by the Russians. If you do not see that, God help you!

 

[Ringo]

Liberals were becoming increasing pacifist

Really? Most of the wars on Earth were started by democrats/liberals...

 

[tahuyaman]

Neoconservatism is a political movement that began in the United States during the 1960s among liberal hawks who became disenchanted with the increasingly pacifist foreign policy of the Democratic Party and with the growing New Left and counterculture of the 1960s,.

Neoconservatism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Liberals were becoming increasing pacifist, even where we had a national interest. We have an interest in preventing Ukraine from being conqured by the Russians. If you do not see that, God help you!

And you are a neo-con.

We have no national interest in Ukraine. Period.