Why do you lean politically the way you do?

[2aguy]

I have been on this board for a while now and I am just curious why people lean a certain way?

For me: I live in Brookline (essentially Boston) MA, a large Jewish community, pretty close to Fenway and the easily accessible to downtown Boston. I am a father of two kids (11 and 13) both girls. I run a decent sized financial advisory services business. Born in Oct. 1980, I am old, tired and live for my wife and kids. I have always been an independent but a young college kid in NC, I leaned very left and in my fist eligible election, I voted for the inventor of the Internet, Al Gore. He lost. I then voted for John Kerry, he lost. I then voted for John McCAin, not because I didn't like BHO but because I will always vote for a veteran over a non-vet, McCain lost. See the pattern...in the 2012 election I was on the fence but by then I was a father a didn't like BHO's spending so I voted for Romney (he lost). I never got involved in local politics but I did vote against Liz Warren. My parents, Jewish immigrants from the old Soviet Union, who came here in the mid 70s we always staunch Democrats. Ted Kennedy made it possible for them to come here an voted strictly Democrat until 2016 when they completely switched to the GOP and voted for Trump citing the Left's overt anti Israel views.

I voted for Trump in 2016 as I just needed something other than HRC's nagging voice and lies. You don't accidentally bleach a server and smash blackberries and ipads. Story is true:

Also, I had and still have a client who does bleach servers and such for companies and I knew how intricate the process was. Now my kids are growing up and being told they have white privilege. Told they have racial bias. Told they need to use gender neutral pronouns. Told that trans girls may compete in sports against them. Of course that made me lose my mind a bit (as you can gather from my many posts on USMB). That being said I remain an Independent. I am not overly religious, although I will defend the Jewish faith, culture and support of Israel very strongly. Why? I owe it to my ancestors who died in the Holocaust and fighting the Nazis. My dad lost his entire family sans one sister and my mom was a bit luckier but still lost about 90%. I now see how much impact we can have in Town Elections if we band together, hence I appreciate small Gov't over large Gov't. I do like and appreciate programs that help the unfortunate and I believe our healthcare program is super inefficient and costly. The Democrats at least try to attack it. That being said, more and more I find myself on the same page as the GOP sans the need for endless wars. I like small gov't fiscal policies, strong military, strong border security, America first rhetoric, pro more vs. less policing (reform is necessary), pro Israel and pro freedom of speech. But I remain an Independent and not at service to any party.

My perfect 2024 ticket would be Dan Crenshaw/Tulsi Gabbard. Both served in the military, very bright, fairly young, energetic, and not divisive in my view.

Which way do you lean and why? What is your story?

Please share only if you're comfortable.

Thank you,

Your friend the Pale Orc

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Dude! You are fricken 40, probably 41 on next birthday. You ain't old and if tired, you got a medical problem. Go Independent. You don't need a party, as it carries long term party agenda. Pendular motion is natural motion and inherently conservative in nature.

I am an independent and well compared to you I am young but my kids remind me how old I am daily.

My kids and their friends cannot believe I am not younger, and I just turned 70 last week.

Maybe I'll see you on a river or on the slopes sometime!

Yes, I am recovering from two operations to realign my leg and I am al most ready to go.

I hope you feel better.....

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

I wonder how this will evolve over the next few years?

 

[TNHarley]

In my view, there is only liberty or tyranny.
I dont just lean towards liberty, I skull fuck it.

 

[freyasman]

Stone cold Heathen Outlaw from birth.

 

[miketx]

I have been on this board for a while now and I am just curious why people lean a certain way?

For me: I live in Brookline (essentially Boston) MA, a large Jewish community, pretty close to Fenway and the easily accessible to downtown Boston. I am a father of two kids (11 and 13) both girls. I run a decent sized financial advisory services business. Born in Oct. 1980, I am old, tired and live for my wife and kids. I have always been an independent but a young college kid in NC, I leaned very left and in my fist eligible election, I voted for the inventor of the Internet, Al Gore. He lost. I then voted for John Kerry, he lost. I then voted for John McCAin, not because I didn't like BHO but because I will always vote for a veteran over a non-vet, McCain lost. See the pattern...in the 2012 election I was on the fence but by then I was a father a didn't like BHO's spending so I voted for Romney (he lost). I never got involved in local politics but I did vote against Liz Warren. My parents, Jewish immigrants from the old Soviet Union, who came here in the mid 70s were always staunch Democrats. Ted Kennedy made it possible for them to come here an voted strictly Democrat until 2016 when they completely switched to the GOP and voted for Trump citing the Left's overt anti Israel views.

I voted for Trump in 2016 as I just needed something other than HRC's nagging voice and lies. You don't accidentally bleach a server and smash blackberries and ipads. Story is true:

Also, I had and still have a client who does bleach servers and such for companies and I knew how intricate the process was. Now my kids are growing up and being told they have white privilege. Told they have racial bias. Told they need to use gender neutral pronouns. Told that trans girls may compete in sports against them. Of course that made me lose my mind a bit (as you can gather from my many posts on USMB). That being said I remain an Independent. I am not overly religious, although I will defend the Jewish faith, culture and support of Israel very strongly. Why? I owe it to my ancestors who died in the Holocaust and fighting the Nazis. My dad lost his entire family sans one sister and my mom was a bit luckier but still lost about 90%. I now see how much impact we can have in Town Elections if we band together, hence I appreciate small Gov't over large Gov't. I do like and appreciate programs that help the unfortunate and I believe our healthcare program is super inefficient and costly. The Democrats at least try to attack it. That being said, more and more I find myself on the same page as the GOP sans the need for endless wars. I like small gov't fiscal policies, strong military, strong border security, America first rhetoric, pro more vs. less policing (reform is necessary), pro Israel and pro freedom of speech. But I remain an Independent and not at service to any party.

My perfect 2024 ticket would be Dan Crenshaw/Tulsi Gabbard. Both served in the military, very bright, fairly young, energetic, and not divisive in my view.

Which way do you lean and why? What is your story?

Please share only if you're comfortable.

Thank you,

Your friend the Pale Orc

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Me, I'm just not stupid and believe in freedom.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

I spent the first 5 years of my life in a logging camp 40 miles from the nearest town. I didn't know any other kids other than my sister and the very occasional times I visited my cousins. It was just me and my sister, and the two of us grew up without all that socialization that is normal for other kids. We also grew up relying on our own observations of the world and ability to sort things out without the need to conform.

To me, a good number of the posters here look like little more than programmable automatons who do nothing but repeat talking points. Politics to them is an act of soldiering for their tribe rather than thinking about issues in any sort of intelligent way, and maybe it is because of my own background, but it perplexes me how they could be so mindlessly conformist.

Especially now that our media is so obviously complicit in the act of dividing people into two monolithic tribes and encouraging war between them, I find myself on the outside looking in. I certainly have opinions on things, but find myself feeling like the kid pointing out the Emperor is naked most of the time when I see so many brainwashed people saying things that make no sense, are counter intuitive and so clearly contradict the statements they make in other areas of discussion.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

I have been on this board for a while now and I am just curious why people lean a certain way?

I go with what I know works based on history and my life experiences.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

While most people think I am a Rightwinger, I am actually quite Liberal

You don't know what liberalism even is.

All you know are the talking points you feel compelled to repeat.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Family history.
Lost several family members in the first war. On either side of the family it left two widows to do the best they could without any help from the government they were fighting for.

Unemployment and poverty during the depression, sub standard housing and no healthcare. My Nana qualified as a Teacher, the first in the family to go to college. She had to give up her job on her wedding day because Denbighshire did not employ married women.

Studied the history of the UK and it struck me that every positive step to move a feudal backward shithole forward was opposed by Conservatives who were happy with the status quo. Health , education, housing, sanitation all opposed by those selfish bastards.

Tories are the party of the toffs and did nothing for my class whilst they filed their pockets because of my labour

The left is about decency, sharing, caring and helping people and we all benefit from that. We have to look after each other, thats not necessarily just a Christian stance its a universal stance.

Im a methodist but I recognise that other cultures are superior to ours and it is because of the rise of conservatism. We put our old people in homes but Asians just buy a bigger house. We are selfish and uncaring = conservatism.

I have voted for 5 left leaning parties in my lifetime but I will go to my grave never having voted tory.

My goodness, what an incredibly simple minded world you live in.

 

[rightwinger]

While most people think I am a Rightwinger, I am actually quite Liberal

You don't know what liberalism even is.

All you know are the talking points you feel compelled to repeat.

Butthurt much?

 

[Dogmaphobe]

[
Butthurt much?

No.

The word you are looking for is rational.

 

[rightwinger]

[
Butthurt much?

No.

The word you are looking for is rational.

Rational?

Want to explain that stolen election Bullshit

 

[Dogmaphobe]

[
Butthurt much?

No.

The word you are looking for is rational.

Rational?

Want to explain that stolen election Bullshit

It seems normal to you to have 5 swing states all shut down their vote counting at the same time and then show more votes being cast in urban areas than there are voters?

 

[rightwinger]

[
Butthurt much?

No.

The word you are looking for is rational.

Rational?

Want to explain that stolen election Bullshit

It seems normal to you to have 5 swing states all shut down their vote counting at the same time and then show more votes being cast in urban areas than there are voters?

Ummm.....they didn’t.

More alternate reality crap to explain why you lost

Not very Rational, more like a sore loser

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Ummm.....they didn’t.

More alternate reality crap to explain why you lost

Not very Rational, more like a sore loser

You are actually claiming all those states DIDN'T shut down their vote counting?

Now, I knew you were a true believer, but that is downright laughable.

 

[rightwinger]

Ummm.....they didn’t.

More alternate reality crap to explain why you lost

Not very Rational, more like a sore loser

You are actually claiming all those states DIDN'T shut down their vote counting?

Now, I knew you were a true believer, but that is downright laughable.

Each state followed its own regulations on voter count. Your spontaneous shutdown rant was presented in court and quickly dismissed as nonsense

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Ummm.....they didn’t.

More alternate reality crap to explain why you lost

Not very Rational, more like a sore loser

You are actually claiming all those states DIDN'T shut down their vote counting?

Now, I knew you were a true believer, but that is downright laughable.

Each state followed its own regulations on voter count. Your spontaneous shutdown rant was presented in court and quickly dismissed as nonsense

Perception is reality

 

[rightwinger]

Ummm.....they didn’t.

More alternate reality crap to explain why you lost

Not very Rational, more like a sore loser

You are actually claiming all those states DIDN'T shut down their vote counting?

Now, I knew you were a true believer, but that is downright laughable.

Each state followed its own regulations on voter count. Your spontaneous shutdown rant was presented in court and quickly dismissed as nonsense

Perception is reality

Trump maintains his own reality

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Ummm.....they didn’t.

More alternate reality crap to explain why you lost

Not very Rational, more like a sore loser

You are actually claiming all those states DIDN'T shut down their vote counting?

Now, I knew you were a true believer, but that is downright laughable.

Each state followed its own regulations on voter count. Your spontaneous shutdown rant was presented in court and quickly dismissed as nonsense

Perception is reality

Trump maintains his own reality

As do you and I. You believe trans girls are the same as biological girls.

 

[rightwinger]

Ummm.....they didn’t.

More alternate reality crap to explain why you lost

Not very Rational, more like a sore loser

You are actually claiming all those states DIDN'T shut down their vote counting?

Now, I knew you were a true believer, but that is downright laughable.

Each state followed its own regulations on voter count. Your spontaneous shutdown rant was presented in court and quickly dismissed as nonsense

Perception is reality

Trump maintains his own reality

As do you and I. You believe trans girls are the same as biological girls.

Nope

But I don’t think anyone chooses to be trans just to win at sports