Why Do Trump Supporters Have Such A Hard Time Admitting He's A Convicted Felon?

[Robert W]

Sure it is, if it "appears" to be a gun.

https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/laws/PEN/160.10

(b) Displays what appears to be a pistol, revolver, rifle, shotgun,
machine gun or other firearm;

Appears to whom? You are arguing a different point than he is. He says it does not appear to the party in question, so it is not armed robbery, and you say yes because it appears to the shooter. Which is not the question.

 

[Rambunctious]

Continuing to post this ignorance just shows everyone in the forum that the author of this thread is right. There are some, YOU, for example, that just do not understand nor will you understand. I’ve linked a copy of the sentence for you to read. I don’t expect you to read it. Not everyone who gets convicted of a felony serves time. It isn’t required as part of the sentence.

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https://www.nycourts.gov/LegacyPDFs/press/PDFs/People%20v.%20DJT%20Clayton%20Decision.pdf

Can you find one with smaller writing... LOL damn dude...

 

[Southern Dad]

Thomas Jefferson is the first winner when he tied Aaron Burr.

Yes, but Burr was actually Jefferson’s running mate. The opposition was Adams and Cotesworth. This did lead to changes in how votes were cast by the Electoral College. It’s also notable that Jefferson did have a plurality of the popular vote and he carried the most states.

This differs from what happened between John Q Adams and Andrew Jackson, where Jackson had a plurality of the popular vote, had the most electoral votes, and carried the most states, but Adams won the presidency.

 

[Robert W]

Yes, but Burr was actually Jefferson’s running mate. The opposition was Adams and Cotesworth. This did lead to changes in how votes were cast by the Electoral College. It’s also notable that Jefferson did have a plurality of the popular vote and he carried the most states.

This differs from what happened between John Q Adams and Andrew Jackson, where Jackson had a plurality of the popular vote, had the most electoral votes, and carried the most states, but Adams won the presidency.

Yes but....

 

[Southern Dad]

I expect more recent courts will overturn that conviction.

First it is up to the New York Court of Appeals (That’s what they call their highest court). If Trump fails to overturn the conviction there, it could be appealed to the Supreme Court of the United States but he would need a federal or constitutional question, which I’m sure his attorneys could come up with. However, that could take a really long time, and given Trump’s age…. It might never see the Supreme Court, or they could decline to take it up.

 

[Southern Dad]

Can you find one with smaller writing... LOL damn dude...

The point is that Trump was indeed convicted of 34 counts of a Class E felony. While you and I both know it was a political witch hunt and the only reason they even charged him is they wanted to keep him from being president again, he was convicted by a jury. Then the judge sentenced him on it. (I also believe you can click on the picture and it becomes larger.)

 

[Robert W]

First it is up to the New York Court of Appeals (That’s what they call their highest court). If Trump fails to overturn the conviction there, it could be appealed to the Supreme Court of the United States but he would need a federal or constitutional question, which I’m sure his attorneys could come up with. However, that could take a really long time, and given Trump’s age…. It might never see the Supreme Court, or they could decline to take it up.

I don't know what you expect out of a 79-year-old man but Trump walks quickly upstairs to the airplane and is very active.

 

[Southern Dad]

I don't know what you expect out of a 79-year-old man but Trump walks quickly upstairs to the airplane and is very active.

Yes, Trump is very active. I’m not saying that he’s not in good health, at the moment. He’s in a job that ages people. Look at the pictures of any president when they took the job and when they left the job. Trump will be just over 82 when he leaves the White House. His case has to drag on through the infamously slow New York Court of Appeals, then and only then, if they turn down his appeal, he can petition the Supreme Court of the United States to hear the case. There’s no guarantee they decide to hear the case in the first session after that, or even the second, or ever.

The truth is that once out of office, I think this case will peter out. There’s a good shot that the New York Court of Appeals may toss the case but do it in such a way that the state just lets it languish until it dies or Trump dies.

 

[Political-Junkie]

Trump didn't do any of those things.

No one said Trump was charged with that.

 

[Political-Junkie]

Where did you make that up from? A Nancy Drew Mystery?

From Cohen's conviction.

 

[Political-Junkie]

Trump didn't use a loan for that puny amount. It was his money, pea brain.

I didn't say it was Trump's loan. It was Cohen's loan, illegally obtained. Proven by his indictment, conviction & incarceration.

 

[Political-Junkie]

It's in his pocket and was never displayed.

Doesn't matter if a robber pretends to have a gun in their pocket by displaying what "appears" to be a gun with their fingers.

In New York, that's armed robbery.

 

[Political-Junkie]

Appears to whom? You are arguing a different point than he is. He says it does not appear to the party in question, so it is not armed robbery, and you say yes because it appears to the shooter. Which is not the question.

If someone approaches a person to rob them and threatens them by displaying what "appears" to be a gun pointed at them, the person being robbed doesn't know it's not a real gun. That's armed robbery according to the law I posted.

 

[Robert W]

If someone approaches a person to rob them and threatens them by displaying what "appears" to be a gun pointed at them, the person being robbed doesn't know it's not a real gun. That's armed robbery according to the law I posted.

Charges are not decided by the victim or the offender. As to your final point, yes of course.

 

[Mick2]

I didn't say it was Trump's loan. It was Cohen's loan, illegally obtained.

Which has nothing at all to do with this topic. There is no proof that Trump co-signed with or even directed Cohen to lie on any loan application. In fact, there is not even evidence to suggest he knew Cohen was taking out nor had ever taken out any line of credit or loan for anything. You're autistic, guy.

 

[Mick2]

Doesn't matter if a robber pretends to have a gun in their pocket by displaying what "appears" to be a gun with their fingers.

That's only true if a jury unanimously agrees the defendant said he had gun or was intentionally trying to make the victim believe he had a gun through his actions and gestures. If 11 buy that idea as proven beyond a reasonable doubt but one juror believes there is reasonable doubt to believe that was the intent of the gestures then no conviction. It's still not a unanimous conviction of armed robbery if that one juror believes the toothpick they found in his pocket was meant to stab the victim instead. The jury couldn't decide unanimously what the defendant was intending.

 

[Political-Junkie]

That's only true if a jury unanimously agrees the defendant said he had gun or was intentionally trying to make the victim believe he had a gun through his actions and gestures. If 11 buy that idea as proven beyond a reasonable doubt but one juror believes there is reasonable doubt to believe that was the intent of the gestures then no conviction. It's still not a unanimous conviction of armed robbery if that one juror believes the toothpick they found in his pocket was meant to stab the victim instead. The jury couldn't decide unanimously what the defendant was intending.

Not talking about what jurors believe. Any trial can have a hold out. The law in New York does not distinguish between brandishing a firearm during a robbery from pretending to hold a gun hidden in a pocket that's actually fingers displayed as a gun. Either way, that's armed robbery.

 

[Mick2]

Not talking about what jurors believe. Any trial can have a hold out.

You cannot convict someone of a crime with even one "hold out" on the jury. Geezus, you autistic sap.

The law in New York does not distinguish between brandishing a firearm during a robbery from pretending to hold a gun hidden in a pocket that's actually fingers displayed as a gun. Either way, that's armed robbery.

ONLY if a jury unanimously agrees beyond a reasonable doubt that the robber was intending to make the victim believe he had a gun in his pocket. Dippy.

 

[Political-Junkie]

You cannot convict someone of a crime with a "hold out" on the jury. Geezus, you autistic sap.

I didn't say you could.

ONLY if a jury unanimously agrees beyond a reasonable doubt that the robber was intending to make the victim believe he had a gun in his pocket. Dippy.

Again, I'm describing what the law says, not how jurors decide on it.

 

[Mick2]

Again, I'm describing what the law says

I know what the law says on this. I don't live in New York state but I was one of the victims of an "armed robbery" years ago. The woman passed us a note demanding what she wanted and it said she had a gun. Of course, we gave her what she wanted.

I don't truly believe she ever had a gun and none of us actually saw one. There was never a gun seen on footage of the incident and no gun was ever found when she was later apprehended. The note, however, was enough to convict her of armed robbery. It's the intent to make the victim believe they are armed and not always if they are actually armed. You're not saying anything here that has any application.