Why do so many Americans support a neofascist? | The Coffee Klatch with Robert Reich

[Hector12]

BLA BLA BLA. More bullshit from the leftards.

Donald Trump is NOT a fascist. Democrats cheapen the meaning of the word using it this way.

As usual, leftards are full of shit.

Just more bullshit from the power hungry left.

Trump is not as dangerous as Hitler because he is much older, and less intelligent. He is similar because his constituency is similar. These are angry white men who think they have been denied what they deserve.

 

[scruffy]

Trump is not as dangerous as Hitler because he is much older, and less intelligent. He is similar because his constituency is similar. These are angry white men who think they have been denied what they deserve.

WTF are you talking about?

You're full of shit.

 

[surada]

Robert Reich is a dick.

What does fascism mean?

Many experts agree that fascism is a mass political movement that emphasizes extreme nationalism, militarism, and the supremacy of the nation over the individual. This model of government stands in contrast to liberal democracies that support individual rights, competitive elections, and political dissent.

In many ways, fascist regimes are revolutionary in nature. They advocate for the overthrow of existing systems of government and the persecution of political enemies. However, such regimes are also highly conservative in their championing of traditional values.

And although fascist leaders typically claim to support the everyman, in reality, their regimes often align with powerful business interests.

 

[LeroyDumonde]

Fascism is defined as government control over the production and distribution of goods and services. Was the little dwarf in a freaking coma during what America went through during the Biden/Fauci takeover of America and the Covid coverup? We are in a freaking era of fascism.

Both Hitler and Mussolini denationalized industries.

 

[surada]

Fascism is defined as government control over the production and distribution of goods and services. Was the little dwarf in a freaking coma during what America went through during the Biden/Fauci takeover of America and the Covid coverup? We are in a freaking era of fascism.

How stupid. Temporary measures during a epidemic are TEMPORARY.

 

[westwall]

Why do you think so?

Ummmm, because he is...

 

[Hector12]

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Beside your evaluation of Robert Reich, allow me to define him more thoroughly. Reich is by far and inclusively a Socialist, Soviet style Communist Marxist Democrat.

Robert Reich is not a Marxist. He has never endorsed Soviet Communism. Claiming otherwise is an example of the Guilt by Association Fallacy and the Straw Man Fallacy.

 

[Mac1958]

Heather and I take a deep dive into why so many Americans are supporting a neofascist for president. Trump is the consequence rather than the cause of several major problems that have worsened over four decades — problems that have undermined the American middle class, and caused a substantial number of people to become angry, anxious, and cynical.

It's a question that isn't being asked nearly enough -- How did this happen?

Yeah, to say these people are angry is the biggest understatement of all time. This is pure rage, and most of us didn't see it until 2016. And it hasn't cooled down. Why should it? It's being fed 24/7/365. A lot of Americans want a strongman-based authoritarian regime to "fix" us.

He is definitely a consequence, and we need to find out how. I have my guesses, but this needs to be figured out, unless it's already too late.

 

[Hector12]

It's a question that isn't being asked nearly enough -- How did this happen?

Yeah, to say these people are angry is the biggest understatement of all time. This is pure rage, and most of us didn't see it until 2016. And it hasn't cooled down. Why should it? It's being fed 24/7/365. A lot of Americans want a strongman-based authoritarian regime to "fix" us.

He is definitely a consequence, and we need to find out how. I have my guesses, but this needs to be figured out, unless it's already too late.

Trump is both a problem and a symptom of a problem.

The growing income gap is a Democrat issue. Unfortunately Democrats have preferred to waste their credibility on identity politics and pretending that a man with five felony convictions and five illegitimate children like George Floyd. is a hero.

 

[Mac1958]

Trump is both a problem and a symptom of a problem.

The growing income gap is a Democrat issue. Unfortunately Democrats have preferred to waste their credibility on identity politics and pretending that a man with five felony convictions and five illegitimate children like George Floyd. is a hero.

Bingo. The Dems played a significant role in this, going all in on PC/Identity Politics and taking the middle class (which includes minorities) for granted. They weren't paying attention.

They won't look in the mirror, though, just like the GQP.

 

[Boo Radley]

Anyone involved in a "coffee klatch" and uses that term is a limp wrister.

 

[Mac-7]

Bingo. The Dems played a significant role in this, going all in on PC/Identity Politics and taking the middle class (which includes minorities) for granted. They weren't paying attention.

They won't look in the mirror, though, just like the GQP.

Do you want to see an example of dementia?

Ask Mac1958 who he is voting for in november

 

[SweetSue92]

Bingo. The Dems played a significant role in this, going all in on PC/Identity Politics and taking the middle class (which includes minorities) for granted. They weren't paying attention.

They won't look in the mirror, though, just like the GQP.

SAYS MAC WHO NEVER LOOKS IN THE MIRROR

 

[TruthNotBS]

Heather and I take a deep dive into why so many Americans are supporting a neofascist for president. Trump is the consequence rather than the cause of several major problems that have worsened over four decades — problems that have undermined the American middle class, and caused a substantial number of people to become angry, anxious, and cynical.


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Robert Reich’s talk lasts nearly 25 minutes. I advise you to listen to the whole thing, but if you do not, I will try to summarize it for you, Because I am an admirer of President Franklin Roosevelt and his New Deal I am in sympathy with Robert Reich, but I think he overlooks a few things.

His basic argument is that real after tax income for at least the lower two thirds of American earners has declined or stagnated since the Recession of 1964, and that Trump has been more successful in exploiting the anger this has generated than Democrats have been. At the same time, the rich have been getting richer.

This is true, but Reich does not discuss why the Democrats have not been able to exploit a problem that could be their strongest issue. Too casually he dismisses Trump’s scapegoating of immigrants and welfare mothers. In doing so he ignores the major mistake the Democrats have made since the Reagan administration, which began in 1981. The Democrats have continued to appeal to the kind of generosity that will only be popular during a time of growing and widespread prosperity.

After World War II, and for a long time afterwards, the average house cost twice the average yearly wages. That was a long time ago. Married couples, who cannot buy a house, who fear the next rent increase, and who despair of ever being able to afford college education for their children are unlikely to care about unmarried welfare mothers with illegitimate children.

Immigration is both a social issue and an economic issue. Working class and lower middle class whites rarely enjoy the sight and sound of foreign languages. They do not look forward to becoming a minority race in the United States.

Immigration is also an economic issue. By competing for jobs immigrants enable employers to hold the line on wages. By competing for places to live immigrants enable landlords to raise rents. Those who say, “Immigration is good for the economy,”

should be asked, “Whose economy?”

The New Deal appealed to the economic self interest of most Americans. Since the 1960’s the Democrats have appealed to disinterested compassion. That has been the mistake of the Democrats.

Because liberals are a bunch of degenerates and most working-class Americans aren't into all of that lunacy. They don't want to see more children confused about their gender identity or injected with puberty blockers. They want to prevent more 14-year-old girls from getting their breasts cut off. They want to stop seeing billions of dollars being spent to buy more weapons for Ukraine.

 

[Hector12]

Because liberals are a bunch of degenerates and most working-class Americans aren't into all of that lunacy. They don't want to see more children confused about their gender identity or injected with puberty blockers. They want to prevent more 14-year-old girls from getting their breasts cut off. They want to stop seeing billions of dollars being spent to buy more weapons for Ukraine.

I can agree with the other stuff, but Ukraine deserves our help from an unprovoked invasion by a dictatorial invader.

 

[TruthNotBS]

I can agree with the other stuff, but Ukraine deserves our help from an unprovoked invasion by a dictatorial invader.

Do you actually believe Russia invaded Ukraine just out of the blue for fun? The US and EU have been poking the Russian bear for about thirty years with NATO, expanding it right up to its border. A Cold War military alliance formed specifically to fight Russia. NATO is inherently hostile to Russia, operationally, doctrinally, and historically. Ukraine although not an official member of NATO, was for all intents and purposes, part of NATO's operational sphere, and even allowed it to build several major training bases and facilities.

Russia has been warning the West for decades, not to continue with its NATO expansion into its neighborhood and front door. Since NATO is a cash cow for both the American and Western European military-industrial complex, they flippantly ignore Russia's warnings.

In 2024, the US and EU orchestrated the ousting of Viktor Yanukovych, the democratically elected president of Ukraine, replacing him with Petro Poroshenko a Russophobic, Ukrainian right-wing nationalist who hates everything Russian. The Russo-Ukrainians of Eastern Ukraine refused to accept the new coup-government in Kiev, which they saw as illegal and against their Russian heritage and language, hence a war that lasted 8 years was started, killing thousands of civilians and combatants on both sides.

Can you imagine if Russia would've sent its politicians to Washington in January of 2022, to incite pro-Trump protestors to resist the new Biden administration? This is what the US did in Kiev in 2014:

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If Russia were to enter into a military alliance with Mexico and start to deploy its troops and hardware a few miles from our border, we would declare war on Mexico and not allow Russia to turn Mexico into a Russian military base or launching pad for its missiles. But for some reason, we feel we have the right to turn Ukraine into a NATO base and bulwark against Russia. That's just hypocritical and unethical. What's good for the goose, is good for the gander.

Many American liberals take the side of Ukraine vs Russia because Russia is socially conservative and not LGBTQ+ friendly. Homosexuals aren't permitted to adopt children or parade their filth in the streets. There aren't any pervert pride parades in Moscow or rainbow flags flying over the Kremlin. This is one of the main irks, that American liberals have against Russia. It's not "woke" enough. Most Russian women are family-oriented, they get married young. American "woke" liberals loath that, hence their blind support for NATO expansion and American-Western imperialism.

 

[Hector12]

Do you actually believe Russia invaded Ukraine just out of the blue for fun? The US and EU have been poking the Russian bear for about thirty years with NATO, expanding it right up to its border. A Cold War military alliance was formed specifically to fight Russia. NATO is inherently hostile to Russia, operationally, doctrinally, and historically. Ukraine although not an official member of NATO, was for all intents and purposes, part of NATO's operational sphere, and even allowed it to build several major training bases and facilities.

Russia has been warning the West for decades, not to continue with its NATO expansion into its neighborhood and front door. Since NATO is a cash cow for both the American and Western European military-industrial complex, they flippantly ignore Russia's warnings.

In 2024, the US and EU orchestrated the ousting of Viktor Yanukovych, the democratically elected president of Ukraine, replacing him with Petro Poroshenko a Russophobic, Ukrainian right-wing nationalist who hates everything Russian. The Russo-Ukrainians of Eastern Ukraine refused to accept the new coup-government in Kiev, which they saw as illegal and against their Russian heritage and language, hence a war that lasted 8 years was started, killing thousands of civilians and combatants on both sides.

Can you imagine if Russia would've sent its politicians to Washington in January of 2022, to incite pro-Trump protestors to resist the new Biden administration? This is what the US did in Kiev in 2014:

​

If Russia were to enter into a military alliance with Mexico and start to deploy its troops and hardware a few miles from our border, we would declare war on Mexico and not allow Russia to turn Mexico into a Russian military base or launching pad for its missiles. But for some reason, we feel we have the right to turn Ukraine into a NATO base and bulwark against Russia. That's just hypocritical and unethical. What's good for the goose, is good for the gander.

Many American liberals take the side of Ukraine vs Russia because Russia is socially conservative and not LGBTQ+ friendly. Homosexuals aren't permitted to adopt children or parade their filth in the streets. There aren't any pervert pride parades in Moscow or rainbow flags flying over the Kremlin. This is one of the main irks, that American liberals have against Russia. It's not "woke" enough. Most Russian women are family-oriented, they get married young. American "woke" liberals loath that, hence their blind support for NATO expansion and American-Western imperialism.

Ukraine is not a danger to Russia. NATO has never intended to invade Russia.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Ukraine is not a danger to Russia. NATO has never intended to invade Russia.

You're being disingenuous and acting like you're dumb when you're not. The fact that NATO isn't trying to "invade Russia" is irrelevant, to the fact that NATO, a Cold War dinosaur, that is hostile to Russia operationally, doctrinally, and historically, is deploying its troops and hardware right on Russia's front door. We wouldn't allow Russia to do that to us in Mexico or Canada. We would be at war with our neighbors if they did that to us. So you're playing dumb, pretending to be stupid when you're not. You're being intellectually dishonest at best.

You ignored practically everything I presented in that post, but others won't.

 

[Hector12]

You're being disingenuous and acting like you're dumb when you're not. The fact that NATO isn't trying to "invade Russia" is irrelevant, to the fact that NATO, a Cold War dinosaur, that is hostile to Russia operationally, doctrinally, and historically, is deploying its troops and hardware right on Russia's front door. We wouldn't allow Russia to do that to us in Mexico or Canada. We would be at war with our neighbors if they did that to us. So you're playing dumb, pretending to be stupid when you're not. You're being intellectually dishonest at best.

You ignored practically everything I presented in that post, but others won't.

The Russian invasion of Ukraine demonstrates how important NATO still is. As a result of this invasion, two more countries have joined NATO. Former Warsaw Pact countries that joined NATO were not forced to join, as they had earlier been forced to join the Warsaw Pact. They joined when they adopted democratic governments, because they never again wanted to be ruled by Russia.

 

[TruthNotBS]

The Russian invasion of Ukraine demonstrates how important NATO still is. As a result of this invasion, two more countries have joined NATO. Former Warsaw Pact countries that joined NATO were not forced to join, as they had earlier been forced to join the Warsaw Pact. They joined when they adopted democratic governments, because they never again wanted to be ruled by Russia.

The corrupt capitalist controlled politicians of Eastern Europe after the fall of the USSR, raped the resources of the nations they were leading, selling off the people's assets for pennies on the dollar. NATO was part of the strategy, to enrich not just the American military-industrial complex but thousands of elites in Eastern Europe. It's laughable when you claim that Russia was going to invade Eastern Europe after the collapse of the USSR. Russia was being raped until Putin arrived and implemented some socialist principles in the Russian economy.

No serious analyst would ever assert that Putin was planning to invade Eastern Europe and that's why those countries joined NATO.

The former Warsaw Pact countries that joined NATO, couldn't have done anything worse, to avoid being invaded or annihilated by Russia. Joining NATO undermined their safety, by forcing Russia to put them all on a nuclear target list and see them as an enemy. NATO only serves to destabilize the region and poke the bear for profits and control over Russia's vast resources. American imperialists would love to see Russia split into several divided republics that they can exploit and control.

You continue to ignore a lot of what I presented in my first post to you on this issue. Believe whatever imperialist nonsense toots your horn. BRICS is now ascending in the world geopolitical and economic stage, and will sooner than later completely neutralize the West's ability to terrorize countries with their sanctions and warmongering.