Why do blacks commit double the crimes even though $22 Trillion spent to help them?

[healthmyths]

One reason is that when blacks are found guilty of the same crimes as other races, they seem to be sentenced to more time in jail.

Of course, that is assuming they got a fair trial at all which, in many cases, they didn’t.

What it means is that the family unit in black homes if kept fractured by the State far more often than it is for other races. Fundamental to ending the cycles of poverty and violence is an effective family unit.

Thats because white people have jobs and can hire an attorney.
And of course there's the repeat offender angle.

That's one contributing factor true. The other major factor though is behavior modification... a concept most people don't seem
to recognize as to what influences easily influenced minds. Here is an example of glorification of behavior that contributes to criminal behavior.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Dear healthmyths
When I compare the people who feel truly empowered, and don't have to rebel against authority to express themselves,
the difference is a sense of OWNERSHIP and equal ability to effect change.

When people feel powerless and oppressed with "no hope of change" they can feel they have
nothing to lose to make a statement, even killing themselves and others being justified.

This scarcity mentality is preyed upon by politicians who sell dependence on govt to fill that gap.
There is no shortcut to teaching ownership and responsibility.

Just had this conversation with someone about what it would take to prevent the incidents with police,
and I said it would take each district working out agreements programs and outreach where every
resident in that community agrees to follow the laws, and in exchange earns "ownership" of their
district where they can hire and fire their own teachers and police, just like a university campus.
If education and agreements on the laws, standards and procedures to follow results in lowering
the crime rate in that district, why not reward the community with their tax dollars going toward
their local schools to invest in jobs instead of paying 50K a year to send people to prisons.

Why not give districts the option of working out business plans to buy back their schools
and run their own programs themselves to teach ownership and responsibility.

This would reverse the dangerous cycle of poverty oppression abuse and dependence on other people controlling and managing govt and resources. Instead if we reward people for taking back responsibility, then we can finally establish a sense of equal standing respect and responsibility. That is what is missing from this picture.

I noticed your post was full of "feeling" oppressed or "feeling" hopeless statements.

Keyword "feeling", as in an EMOTIONAL state of mind. Emotions are often not based in reality but rather a PERCEPTION of reality.

What we are seeing across the nation right now is a PERCEPTION that cops are out to kill blacks. A PERCEPTION not based in reality but a perception based on circumstances that are rare when compared to total interaction with police. The end result is a populace that is obsessed with a meme that is inaccurate and not based on reality but self reinforced with limited information.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

The problem is the MSM and emotional illogical people jump to conclusions when in reality everyday in the USA.
in 2011 an estimated 26.4 million persons age 16 or older indicated that their most recent contact with the police was as a driver pulled over in a traffic stop.
These drivers represented 12% of the nation's 212 million drivers.

• A greater percentage of male drivers (12%) than female drivers (8%) were stopped by police.
• A higher percentage of black drivers (13%) than white (10%) and Hispanic (10%) drivers were stopped by police during 2011.
• Stopped drivers reported speeding as the most common reason for being pulled over .
• Approximately 80% of drivers pulled over by police in 2011 felt they had been stopped for a legitimate reason.
• In 2011, about 68% of black drivers believed police had a legitimate reason for stopping them compared to 84% of white and 74% of Hispanic drivers.
• In 2011, about 3% of traffic stops led to a search of the driver, the vehicle, or both. Police were more likely to search male drivers (4%) than female drivers (2%).
• A lower percentage of white drivers stopped by police in 2011 were searched (2%) than black (6%) or Hispanic (7%) drivers.

Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) - Traffic Stops

Anyone figured out though WHY BLACKS/Hispanics stopped and searched??
In 2012 there were 9,390,473 people charged with a criminal offense:
Whites 69.2% Blacks:28.1%
Table 43
BUT...again remember 28% of those charged are black even though blacks make up 12% of the USA population! http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0762156.html

Any wonder then that when police stop a non-white person like Obama's friend Pablo as Obama described in his autobiography, "Dreams from My Father"... published July 18,1995 page 94 -95..
"That's what Pablo had lacked, mostly, not having his driver's license that day, a cop with nothing better to do than to check the trunk of his car.. " So being half black Obama evidently BLAMES the cops for having nothing better to do then stop a young non-white like Pablo! Obama/MSM and most illogical ignorant people totally ignore the FACTS!!!
And the summary of these facts is when blacks commit proportionally nearly double their percent of population crimes in the USA...again Blacks charged with 28% of the 9,390,473 criminal charges BUT constitute 12.2% that is more then double. There is something wrong NOT only in the gross exaggeration of the MSM and ignorance of the FACTS... But more fundamentally WHY do blacks commit more then double the crimes then whites? Jobs???? Lack of education???

$22 TRILLION has been spent Since the War on Poverty began under President Lyndon Johnson, welfare spending has exploded to sixteen times its original size.
In a new report from the Heritage Foundation, Robert Rector and Rachel Sheffield tackle the welfare system, explaining how spending has skyrocketed since the 1960s.
America has spent more on welfare than defense since 1993.
The War on Poverty has cost $22 trillion -- three times more than what the government has spent on all wars in American history.
Federal and state governments spend $1 trillion in taxpayer dollars on America's 80 means-tested welfare programs annually.
One-third of all Americans receive benefits from at least one welfare program.
The War on Poverty Has Cost $22 Trillion

What does any of that have to do with police
and the way they deal with blacks?

Simple if you are NOT a simpleton!
It is called "Stereotypical behavior"! Here is a simple example using your comment...
If as a policeman you stop a saggy pant black,bandana youth who was driving a car that had been reported as stolen...hmmm...
what would you do?

You would be stopping it because it's reported stolen not because it has a busted tail light.

Your thinking is as simplistic as it gets. Police should not deal with Americans based on bias and stereotypes.

 

[healthmyths]

The problem is the MSM and emotional illogical people jump to conclusions when in reality everyday in the USA.
in 2011 an estimated 26.4 million persons age 16 or older indicated that their most recent contact with the police was as a driver pulled over in a traffic stop.
These drivers represented 12% of the nation's 212 million drivers.

• A greater percentage of male drivers (12%) than female drivers (8%) were stopped by police.
• A higher percentage of black drivers (13%) than white (10%) and Hispanic (10%) drivers were stopped by police during 2011.
• Stopped drivers reported speeding as the most common reason for being pulled over .
• Approximately 80% of drivers pulled over by police in 2011 felt they had been stopped for a legitimate reason.
• In 2011, about 68% of black drivers believed police had a legitimate reason for stopping them compared to 84% of white and 74% of Hispanic drivers.
• In 2011, about 3% of traffic stops led to a search of the driver, the vehicle, or both. Police were more likely to search male drivers (4%) than female drivers (2%).
• A lower percentage of white drivers stopped by police in 2011 were searched (2%) than black (6%) or Hispanic (7%) drivers.

Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) - Traffic Stops

Anyone figured out though WHY BLACKS/Hispanics stopped and searched??
In 2012 there were 9,390,473 people charged with a criminal offense:
Whites 69.2% Blacks:28.1%
Table 43
BUT...again remember 28% of those charged are black even though blacks make up 12% of the USA population! http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0762156.html

Any wonder then that when police stop a non-white person like Obama's friend Pablo as Obama described in his autobiography, "Dreams from My Father"... published July 18,1995 page 94 -95..
"That's what Pablo had lacked, mostly, not having his driver's license that day, a cop with nothing better to do than to check the trunk of his car.. " So being half black Obama evidently BLAMES the cops for having nothing better to do then stop a young non-white like Pablo! Obama/MSM and most illogical ignorant people totally ignore the FACTS!!!
And the summary of these facts is when blacks commit proportionally nearly double their percent of population crimes in the USA...again Blacks charged with 28% of the 9,390,473 criminal charges BUT constitute 12.2% that is more then double. There is something wrong NOT only in the gross exaggeration of the MSM and ignorance of the FACTS... But more fundamentally WHY do blacks commit more then double the crimes then whites? Jobs???? Lack of education???

$22 TRILLION has been spent Since the War on Poverty began under President Lyndon Johnson, welfare spending has exploded to sixteen times its original size.
In a new report from the Heritage Foundation, Robert Rector and Rachel Sheffield tackle the welfare system, explaining how spending has skyrocketed since the 1960s.
America has spent more on welfare than defense since 1993.
The War on Poverty has cost $22 trillion -- three times more than what the government has spent on all wars in American history.
Federal and state governments spend $1 trillion in taxpayer dollars on America's 80 means-tested welfare programs annually.
One-third of all Americans receive benefits from at least one welfare program.
The War on Poverty Has Cost $22 Trillion

What does any of that have to do with police
and the way they deal with blacks?

Simple if you are NOT a simpleton!
It is called "Stereotypical behavior"! Here is a simple example using your comment...
If as a policeman you stop a saggy pant black,bandana youth who was driving a car that had been reported as stolen...hmmm...
what would you do?

You would be stopping it because it's reported stolen not because it has a busted tail light.

Your thinking is as simplistic as it gets. Police should not deal with Americans based on bias and stereotypes.

But see you are responding to "bias and stereotype" is that OK?
You weren't there. The full story hasn't been investigated. I wasn't there. But you and millions like you are ready to JUMP to conclusions based on
a flawed video recording. Flawed because YOU and I haven't seen the full event.
So you are showing YOUR bias and stereotype by immediately suspecting the policeman was at fault.
So please don't accuse me of being simplistic! You are so ready to believe the cop was bad because YOU believe everything you see on the MSM/YouTube,etc.
And you called me "simplistic"!!!

"Yang did not tell Castile he pulled him over because his wide-set nose, instead telling him it was because he had a broken tail light. The cop then asked for Castile’s license and registration.
Castile informed the officer he was a concealed weapons permit holder and that he was legally carrying a gun.
Seconds later, Yanez shot and killed him.
Castile’s girlfriend, Diamond Reynolds, then began live streaming, telling viewers that Castile was complying with the officer’s orders by reaching for his wallet when he was shot and killed.

Police ended up arresting her, holding her in a cell overnight before releasing her with no charges, but they kept her phone “as evidence.”

But because she was live streaming, it made no difference because the world had already seen what had taken place seconds after the shooting.
Minnesota Cop Pulled Philando Castile Over for his "Wide-Set Nose" - PINAC News

By the way the "white" cop was NOT!
Chinese” Minneapolis Cop Who Killed Philando Castile Identified as Geronimo Yanez
“Chinese” Minneapolis Cop Who Killed Philando Castile Identified as Jeronimo Yanez

 

[Hutch Starskey]

One reason is that when blacks are found guilty of the same crimes as other races, they seem to be sentenced to more time in jail.

Of course, that is assuming they got a fair trial at all which, in many cases, they didn’t.

What it means is that the family unit in black homes if kept fractured by the State far more often than it is for other races. Fundamental to ending the cycles of poverty and violence is an effective family unit.

Thats because white people have jobs and can hire an attorney.
And of course there's the repeat offender angle.

That's one contributing factor true. The other major factor though is behavior modification... a concept most people don't seem
to recognize as to what influences easily influenced minds. Here is an example of glorification of behavior that contributes to criminal behavior.

I see. Blacks are a problem and they should be dealt with harshly to mitigate that problem. Especially their scarier, music driven behaviors.

Dopey, racist thinking.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

The problem is the MSM and emotional illogical people jump to conclusions when in reality everyday in the USA.
in 2011 an estimated 26.4 million persons age 16 or older indicated that their most recent contact with the police was as a driver pulled over in a traffic stop.
These drivers represented 12% of the nation's 212 million drivers.

• A greater percentage of male drivers (12%) than female drivers (8%) were stopped by police.
• A higher percentage of black drivers (13%) than white (10%) and Hispanic (10%) drivers were stopped by police during 2011.
• Stopped drivers reported speeding as the most common reason for being pulled over .
• Approximately 80% of drivers pulled over by police in 2011 felt they had been stopped for a legitimate reason.
• In 2011, about 68% of black drivers believed police had a legitimate reason for stopping them compared to 84% of white and 74% of Hispanic drivers.
• In 2011, about 3% of traffic stops led to a search of the driver, the vehicle, or both. Police were more likely to search male drivers (4%) than female drivers (2%).
• A lower percentage of white drivers stopped by police in 2011 were searched (2%) than black (6%) or Hispanic (7%) drivers.

Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) - Traffic Stops

Anyone figured out though WHY BLACKS/Hispanics stopped and searched??
In 2012 there were 9,390,473 people charged with a criminal offense:
Whites 69.2% Blacks:28.1%
Table 43
BUT...again remember 28% of those charged are black even though blacks make up 12% of the USA population! http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0762156.html

Any wonder then that when police stop a non-white person like Obama's friend Pablo as Obama described in his autobiography, "Dreams from My Father"... published July 18,1995 page 94 -95..
"That's what Pablo had lacked, mostly, not having his driver's license that day, a cop with nothing better to do than to check the trunk of his car.. " So being half black Obama evidently BLAMES the cops for having nothing better to do then stop a young non-white like Pablo! Obama/MSM and most illogical ignorant people totally ignore the FACTS!!!
And the summary of these facts is when blacks commit proportionally nearly double their percent of population crimes in the USA...again Blacks charged with 28% of the 9,390,473 criminal charges BUT constitute 12.2% that is more then double. There is something wrong NOT only in the gross exaggeration of the MSM and ignorance of the FACTS... But more fundamentally WHY do blacks commit more then double the crimes then whites? Jobs???? Lack of education???

$22 TRILLION has been spent Since the War on Poverty began under President Lyndon Johnson, welfare spending has exploded to sixteen times its original size.
In a new report from the Heritage Foundation, Robert Rector and Rachel Sheffield tackle the welfare system, explaining how spending has skyrocketed since the 1960s.
America has spent more on welfare than defense since 1993.
The War on Poverty has cost $22 trillion -- three times more than what the government has spent on all wars in American history.
Federal and state governments spend $1 trillion in taxpayer dollars on America's 80 means-tested welfare programs annually.
One-third of all Americans receive benefits from at least one welfare program.
The War on Poverty Has Cost $22 Trillion

What does any of that have to do with police
and the way they deal with blacks?

Simple if you are NOT a simpleton!
It is called "Stereotypical behavior"! Here is a simple example using your comment...
If as a policeman you stop a saggy pant black,bandana youth who was driving a car that had been reported as stolen...hmmm...
what would you do?

You would be stopping it because it's reported stolen not because it has a busted tail light.

Your thinking is as simplistic as it gets. Police should not deal with Americans based on bias and stereotypes.

But see you are responding to "bias and stereotype" is that OK?
You weren't there. The full story hasn't been investigated. I wasn't there. But you and millions like you are ready to JUMP to conclusions based on
a flawed video recording. Flawed because YOU and I haven't seen the full event.
So you are showing YOUR bias and stereotype by immediately suspecting the policeman was at fault.
So please don't accuse me of being simplistic! You are so ready to believe the cop was bad because YOU believe everything you see on the MSM/YouTube,etc.
And you called me "simplistic"!!!

"Yang did not tell Castile he pulled him over because his wide-set nose, instead telling him it was because he had a broken tail light. The cop then asked for Castile’s license and registration.
Castile informed the officer he was a concealed weapons permit holder and that he was legally carrying a gun.
Seconds later, Yanez shot and killed him.
Castile’s girlfriend, Diamond Reynolds, then began live streaming, telling viewers that Castile was complying with the officer’s orders by reaching for his wallet when he was shot and killed.

Police ended up arresting her, holding her in a cell overnight before releasing her with no charges, but they kept her phone “as evidence.”

But because she was live streaming, it made no difference because the world had already seen what had taken place seconds after the shooting.
Minnesota Cop Pulled Philando Castile Over for his "Wide-Set Nose" - PINAC News

By the way the "white" cop was NOT!
Chinese” Minneapolis Cop Who Killed Philando Castile Identified as Geronimo Yanez
“Chinese” Minneapolis Cop Who Killed Philando Castile Identified as Jeronimo Yanez

I responded to your example, not the incident in MN.
I said nothing about the race of the officer either dope.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

One reason is that when blacks are found guilty of the same crimes as other races, they seem to be sentenced to more time in jail.

Of course, that is assuming they got a fair trial at all which, in many cases, they didn’t.

What it means is that the family unit in black homes if kept fractured by the State far more often than it is for other races. Fundamental to ending the cycles of poverty and violence is an effective family unit.

Thats because white people have jobs and can hire an attorney.
And of course there's the repeat offender angle.

That's one contributing factor true. The other major factor though is behavior modification... a concept most people don't seem
to recognize as to what influences easily influenced minds. Here is an example of glorification of behavior that contributes to criminal behavior.

I see. Blacks are a problem and they should be dealt with harshly to mitigate that problem. Especially their scarier, music driven behaviors.

Dopey, racist thinking.

They glorify gangsters and debasing women.
Hell,every time one of em gets ventilated by the Po Po they pitch a bitch. And 9 times out of 10 the guy ended up deserving it.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

One reason is that when blacks are found guilty of the same crimes as other races, they seem to be sentenced to more time in jail.

Of course, that is assuming they got a fair trial at all which, in many cases, they didn’t.

What it means is that the family unit in black homes if kept fractured by the State far more often than it is for other races. Fundamental to ending the cycles of poverty and violence is an effective family unit.

Thats because white people have jobs and can hire an attorney.
And of course there's the repeat offender angle.

That's one contributing factor true. The other major factor though is behavior modification... a concept most people don't seem
to recognize as to what influences easily influenced minds. Here is an example of glorification of behavior that contributes to criminal behavior.

I see. Blacks are a problem and they should be dealt with harshly to mitigate that problem. Especially their scarier, music driven behaviors.

Dopey, racist thinking.

They glorify gangsters and debasing women.
Hell,every time one of em gets ventilated by the Po Po they pitch a bitch. And 9 times out of 10 the guy ended up deserving it.

That makes it all OK then.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

One reason is that when blacks are found guilty of the same crimes as other races, they seem to be sentenced to more time in jail.

Of course, that is assuming they got a fair trial at all which, in many cases, they didn’t.

What it means is that the family unit in black homes if kept fractured by the State far more often than it is for other races. Fundamental to ending the cycles of poverty and violence is an effective family unit.

Thats because white people have jobs and can hire an attorney.
And of course there's the repeat offender angle.

That's one contributing factor true. The other major factor though is behavior modification... a concept most people don't seem
to recognize as to what influences easily influenced minds. Here is an example of glorification of behavior that contributes to criminal behavior.

I see. Blacks are a problem and they should be dealt with harshly to mitigate that problem. Especially their scarier, music driven behaviors.

Dopey, racist thinking.

They glorify gangsters and debasing women.
Hell,every time one of em gets ventilated by the Po Po they pitch a bitch. And 9 times out of 10 the guy ended up deserving it.

That makes it all OK then.

If they deserved it yes.

 

[jasonnfree]

Dear healthmyths
When I compare the people who feel truly empowered, and don't have to rebel against authority to express themselves,
the difference is a sense of OWNERSHIP and equal ability to effect change.

When people feel powerless and oppressed with "no hope of change" they can feel they have
nothing to lose to make a statement, even killing themselves and others being justified.

This scarcity mentality is preyed upon by politicians who sell dependence on govt to fill that gap.
There is no shortcut to teaching ownership and responsibility.

Just had this conversation with someone about what it would take to prevent the incidents with police,
and I said it would take each district working out agreements programs and outreach where every
resident in that community agrees to follow the laws, and in exchange earns "ownership" of their
district where they can hire and fire their own teachers and police, just like a university campus.
If education and agreements on the laws, standards and procedures to follow results in lowering
the crime rate in that district, why not reward the community with their tax dollars going toward
their local schools to invest in jobs instead of paying 50K a year to send people to prisons.

Why not give districts the option of working out business plans to buy back their schools
and run their own programs themselves to teach ownership and responsibility.

This would reverse the dangerous cycle of poverty oppression abuse and dependence on other people controlling and managing govt and resources. Instead if we reward people for taking back responsibility, then we can finally establish a sense of equal standing respect and responsibility. That is what is missing from this picture.

The Vietnamese came here in the 70's. They didn't speak the language. Now they're top students in most of the schools. They own businesses and have houses in very nice areas with little crime. Also, they aren't hassled by so called racist cops. Must be a difference in attitudes.

 

[Conservative65]

One reason is that when blacks are found guilty of the same crimes as other races, they seem to be sentenced to more time in jail.

Of course, that is assuming they got a fair trial at all which, in many cases, they didn’t.

What it means is that the family unit in black homes if kept fractured by the State far more often than it is for other races. Fundamental to ending the cycles of poverty and violence is an effective family unit.

The family unit is being fractured among blacks because over 70% of blacks born today are bastards. That's not the state's fault. If blacks want to end poverty and the cycle of violence, let them stop producing so many that have a greater chance of living in poverty.

 

[The Professor]

One reason is that when blacks are found guilty of the same crimes as other races, they seem to be sentenced to more time in jail.

Of course, that is assuming they got a fair trial at all which, in many cases, they didn’t.

What it means is that the family unit in black homes if kept fractured by the State far more often than it is for other races. Fundamental to ending the cycles of poverty and violence is an effective family unit.

Since this is contrary to everything I have read over several decades, I respectfully ask you to substantiate your claim with a credible source based upon a credible study. I went to the link in your post and found nothing I considered meaningful.