Why didnt FDR tell VP Truman about the ABomb

[gipper]

Far from it

He turned us into a great nation

NO, we were a great nation already and we have made ourselves greater since. He threatened our very republic, exacerbated a depression, saddled future generations with unsustainable obligations, got into bed with murderous tyrants, and trampled on the rights and freedoms of over one hundred thousand innocent, loyal Americans, including some of the very best and bravest we've ever had. He was absolutely despicable.

Republicans had turned our nation into a libertarians dream. Every man for himself, rampant speculation, greed, indifference to the suffering of others. They had also turned us isolationist and stripped our military

FDR made us an economic and military superpower

Is it any wonder dictators and presidents can do as they wish, when some people think like this? Your posts are delusional and factually incorrect throughout.

Are you one of those Ds good Rs bad believers?

 

[rightwinger]

NO, we were a great nation already and we have made ourselves greater since. He threatened our very republic, exacerbated a depression, saddled future generations with unsustainable obligations, got into bed with murderous tyrants, and trampled on the rights and freedoms of over one hundred thousand innocent, loyal Americans, including some of the very best and bravest we've ever had. He was absolutely despicable.

Republicans had turned our nation into a libertarians dream. Every man for himself, rampant speculation, greed, indifference to the suffering of others. They had also turned us isolationist and stripped our military

FDR made us an economic and military superpower

We all know your political leanings. You have addressed none of the points in my post.

Yes I have....we were not a great nation prior to FDR
We were in the depths of a depression, people were starving, we were a dog eat dog society without a social safety net.
Militarily we were maybe the fourth largest military without a significant standing army and an obsolete air force

FDR turned us into a GREAT nation

 

[rightwinger]

NO, we were a great nation already and we have made ourselves greater since. He threatened our very republic, exacerbated a depression, saddled future generations with unsustainable obligations, got into bed with murderous tyrants, and trampled on the rights and freedoms of over one hundred thousand innocent, loyal Americans, including some of the very best and bravest we've ever had. He was absolutely despicable.

Republicans had turned our nation into a libertarians dream. Every man for himself, rampant speculation, greed, indifference to the suffering of others. They had also turned us isolationist and stripped our military

FDR made us an economic and military superpower

Is it any wonder dictators and presidents can do as they wish, when some people think like this? Your posts are delusional and factually incorrect throughout.

Are you one of those Ds good Rs bad believers?

Proceed

 

[rightwinger]

FDR was nothing but a zombie when he ran for his 4th term. Democrats knew he would not live so they dumped the Vice President who was a little too independent and ran a timid little bean counter senator from Missouri who didn't have a clue. FDR was probably over medicated if he was even in his own mind in his last three months of life. His medical records were stolen out of a locked safe and disappeared after his death. The military was running the show after April 1945 and Truman was only along for the ride.

Nice theory but not supported by ample evidence to the contrary. Keep in mind, we were in the middle of WWII, there are substantial archives showing FDR played a significant role

 

[williepete]

Truman didn't have a need to know. (Until he became POTUS).

Basic security doctrine. Nothing more to it. No conspiracy theories.

And now, back to our regularly scheduled FDR love fest. Must not stay on topic too long.

 

[Unkotare]

Republicans had turned our nation into a libertarians dream. Every man for himself, rampant speculation, greed, indifference to the suffering of others. They had also turned us isolationist and stripped our military

FDR made us an economic and military superpower

We all know your political leanings. You have addressed none of the points in my post.

Yes I have....we were not a great nation prior to FDR

Of course we were. Does any thought ever cross your mind that is not complete partisan hackery? It must be very boring for you to be such a simplistic drone.

 

[tjvh]

Far from it

He turned us into a great nation

NO, we were a great nation already and we have made ourselves greater since. He threatened our very republic, exacerbated a depression, saddled future generations with unsustainable obligations, got into bed with murderous tyrants, and trampled on the rights and freedoms of over one hundred thousand innocent, loyal Americans, including some of the very best and bravest we've ever had. He was absolutely despicable.

Republicans had turned our nation into a libertarians dream. Every man for himself, rampant speculation, greed, indifference to the suffering of others. They had also turned us isolationist and stripped our military

FDR made us an economic and military superpower

If FDR was the greatest President, why did blacks still have to sit at the back of the Bus and were segregated on the front lines? That's right, the Democrats didn't need them yet.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Republicans have been running against FDR since 1932, and in all those years Republicans still haven't found a Republican candidate or even an argument that can beat FDR. All the name calling, all the lies, all the posts, and FDR is still rated America's greatest president. Someday a better president may emerge and if one does he or she may even be a Republican or a conservative but until then, FDR is considered the first modern president and the greatest.
As for the argument that FDR hid his paralysis from the public that's not true. Americans knew FDR had polio and was paralyzed, in fact the March of Dimes was started in 1938 by Eddie Cantor with FDR's leadership to help polio victims and hopeully to develop a prevention. How many of those dimes helped find the Salk vaccine and why was the dime selected?

He changed America.

Consider the following praise for FDR( from “The Hundred Days of FDR”, by Schlesinger)

'Who can now imagine a day when America offered no Social Security, no unemployment compensation, no food stamps, no Federal guarantee of bank deposits, no Federal supervision of the stock market, no Federal protection for collective bargaining, no Federal standards for wages and hours, no Federal support for farm prices or rural electrification, no Federal refinancing for farm and home mortgages, no Federal commitment to high employment or to equal opportunity - in short, no Federal responsibility for Americans who found themselves, through no fault of their own, in economic or social distress?'


But he altered the view that the Founders had in ways that make us more like the very government we revolted against in the Revolution.

He was a King, not a President.
Scholarly research is just beginning to level due criticism.
Stop genuflecting; stand up where you can see the truth.

 

[Unkotare]

Republicans had turned our nation into a libertarians dream. Every man for himself, rampant speculation, greed, indifference to the suffering of others. They had also turned us isolationist and stripped our military

FDR made us an economic and military superpower

We all know your political leanings. You have addressed none of the points in my post.

Yes I have....

Where?

 

[whitehall]

Truman is the only president who's education was limited to the 12th grade. He was not well educated to say the least. Democrats knew he was a man they could manipulate so they dumped the independent sitting V.P. off the ticket while he was on vacation and ran the little haberdasher from Missouri. As expected FDR died about three months after he was inaugurated and Truman woke up one morning to find himself president. It's doubtful if FDR even remembered what the Atom Bomb was not to mention the little senator from Missouri.

 

[williepete]

David McCullough's excellent book "Truman" answers the question of informing Truman about the bomb, Ultra and most all policy decisions of the FDR administration. The VP position back then was not the same as it is today. Today's VPs take a far more active role in the Executive Office. Applying today's active VPs to the FDR era is as useless as not bothering to learn history in the first place.

 

[regent]

Republicans have been running against FDR since 1932, and in all those years Republicans still haven't found a Republican candidate or even an argument that can beat FDR. All the name calling, all the lies, all the posts, and FDR is still rated America's greatest president. Someday a better president may emerge and if one does he or she may even be a Republican or a conservative but until then, FDR is considered the first modern president and the greatest.
As for the argument that FDR hid his paralysis from the public that's not true. Americans knew FDR had polio and was paralyzed, in fact the March of Dimes was started in 1938 by Eddie Cantor with FDR's leadership to help polio victims and hopeully to develop a prevention. How many of those dimes helped find the Salk vaccine and why was the dime selected?

He changed America.

Consider the following praise for FDR( from “The Hundred Days of FDR”, by Schlesinger)

'Who can now imagine a day when America offered no Social Security, no unemployment compensation, no food stamps, no Federal guarantee of bank deposits, no Federal supervision of the stock market, no Federal protection for collective bargaining, no Federal standards for wages and hours, no Federal support for farm prices or rural electrification, no Federal refinancing for farm and home mortgages, no Federal commitment to high employment or to equal opportunity - in short, no Federal responsibility for Americans who found themselves, through no fault of their own, in economic or social distress?'


But he altered the view that the Founders had in ways that make us more like the very government we revolted against in the Revolution.

He was a King, not a President.
Scholarly research is just beginning to level due criticism.
Stop genuflecting; stand up where you can see the truth.

If FDR were a king, Elliot or another Roosevelt would have become king when FDR died. Scholarly research has been going on since FDR took office, and he has been called every name in the Republican book of Bad Names to Call Democratic Presidents. Yet for all that scholarly research Siena just polled 238 noted historians and presidential experts and they named FDR America's greatest president, bar none. The usual response to those historian polls is that historians are communists.
Is that your best criticism of FDR, that America changed during his presidency? Did America change after Lincoln's presidency, Hoover's? It is difficult to keep some nations from changing over the years, maybe Haiti but not America?

 

[Unkotare]

Is that your best criticism of FDR, that America changed during his presidency?

No, that's the best praise that nuthugger Notarightwinger could come up with.

How about this?


He threatened our very republic, exacerbated a depression, saddled future generations with unsustainable obligations, got into bed with murderous tyrants - all the way down under the sheets, and trampled in the most fundamental way on the rights and freedoms of over one hundred thousand innocent, loyal Americans, including some of the very best and bravest we've ever had. He was absolutely despicable.

 

[rightwinger]

Is that your best criticism of FDR, that America changed during his presidency?

No, that's the best praise that nuthugger Notarightwinger could come up with.

How about this?


He threatened our very republic, exacerbated a depression, saddled future generations with unsustainable obligations, got into bed with murderous tyrants - all the way down under the sheets, and trampled in the most fundamental way on the rights and freedoms of over one hundred thousand innocent, loyal Americans, including some of the very best and bravest we've ever had. He was absolutely despicable.

Got us out of a Depression, revitalized America during WWII.

Nobody has come close to what FDR accomplished since. Greatest modern President by far.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Republicans have been running against FDR since 1932, and in all those years Republicans still haven't found a Republican candidate or even an argument that can beat FDR. All the name calling, all the lies, all the posts, and FDR is still rated America's greatest president. Someday a better president may emerge and if one does he or she may even be a Republican or a conservative but until then, FDR is considered the first modern president and the greatest.
As for the argument that FDR hid his paralysis from the public that's not true. Americans knew FDR had polio and was paralyzed, in fact the March of Dimes was started in 1938 by Eddie Cantor with FDR's leadership to help polio victims and hopeully to develop a prevention. How many of those dimes helped find the Salk vaccine and why was the dime selected?

He changed America.

Consider the following praise for FDR( from “The Hundred Days of FDR”, by Schlesinger)

'Who can now imagine a day when America offered no Social Security, no unemployment compensation, no food stamps, no Federal guarantee of bank deposits, no Federal supervision of the stock market, no Federal protection for collective bargaining, no Federal standards for wages and hours, no Federal support for farm prices or rural electrification, no Federal refinancing for farm and home mortgages, no Federal commitment to high employment or to equal opportunity - in short, no Federal responsibility for Americans who found themselves, through no fault of their own, in economic or social distress?'


But he altered the view that the Founders had in ways that make us more like the very government we revolted against in the Revolution.

He was a King, not a President.
Scholarly research is just beginning to level due criticism.
Stop genuflecting; stand up where you can see the truth.

If FDR were a king, Elliot or another Roosevelt would have become king when FDR died. Scholarly research has been going on since FDR took office, and he has been called every name in the Republican book of Bad Names to Call Democratic Presidents. Yet for all that scholarly research Siena just polled 238 noted historians and presidential experts and they named FDR America's greatest president, bar none. The usual response to those historian polls is that historians are communists.
Is that your best criticism of FDR, that America changed during his presidency? Did America change after Lincoln's presidency, Hoover's? It is difficult to keep some nations from changing over the years, maybe Haiti but not America?

FDR destroyed the Constitution.

If you find that to be efficacious, continue to remain on your knees.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Is that your best criticism of FDR, that America changed during his presidency?

No, that's the best praise that nuthugger Notarightwinger could come up with.

How about this?


He threatened our very republic, exacerbated a depression, saddled future generations with unsustainable obligations, got into bed with murderous tyrants - all the way down under the sheets, and trampled in the most fundamental way on the rights and freedoms of over one hundred thousand innocent, loyal Americans, including some of the very best and bravest we've ever had. He was absolutely despicable.

Got us out of a Depression, revitalized America during WWII.

Nobody has come close to what FDR accomplished since. Greatest modern President by far.

Turned a recession into the Great Depression.


1. Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., liberal New Deal historian wrote in The National Experience, in 1963, “Though the policies of the Hundred Days had ended despair, they had not produce recovery…” He also wrote honestly about the devastating crash of 1937- in the midst of the “second New Deal” and Roosevelt’s second term. “The collapse in the months after September 1937 was actually more severe than it had been in the first nine months of the depression: national income fell 13 %, payrolls 35 %, durable goods production 50 %, profits 78% .


2. In 1935, the Brookings Institution (left-leaning) delivered a 900-page report on the New Deal and the National Recovery Administration, concluding that “ on the whole it retarded recovery.”
The Real Deal - Society and Culture - AEI

 

[PoliticalChic]

Is that your best criticism of FDR, that America changed during his presidency?

No, that's the best praise that nuthugger Notarightwinger could come up with.

How about this?


He threatened our very republic, exacerbated a depression, saddled future generations with unsustainable obligations, got into bed with murderous tyrants - all the way down under the sheets, and trampled in the most fundamental way on the rights and freedoms of over one hundred thousand innocent, loyal Americans, including some of the very best and bravest we've ever had. He was absolutely despicable.

His economic policies not only mirrored those of Mussolini and Hitler, but engendered their pride.



From Schivelbusch, “Three New Deals,” ...


1. The National Socialists hailed these ‘relief measures’ in ways you will recognize:

a. May 11, 1933, the Nazi newspaper Volkischer Beobachter, (People’s Observer): “Roosevelt’s Dictatorial Recovery Measures.”

b. And on January 17, 1934, “We, too, as German National Socialists are looking toward America…” and “Roosevelt’s adoption of National Socialist strains of thought in his economic and social policies” comparable to Hitler’s own dictatorial ‘Fuhrerprinzip.’

c. And “[Roosevelt], too demands that collective good be put before individual self-interest. Many passages in his book ‘Looking Forward’ could have been written by a National Socialist….one can assume that he feels considerable affinity with the National Socialist philosophy.”

d. The paper also refers to “…the fictional appearance of democracy.”



2. In 1938, American ambassador Hugh R. Wilson reported to FDR his conversations with Hitler: “Hitler then said that he had watched with interest the methods which you, Mr. President, have been attempting to adopt for the United States…. I added that you were very much interested in certain phases of the sociological effort, notably for the youth and workmen, which is being made in Germany…” cited in “Franklin D. Roosevelt and Foreign Affairs,” vol.2, p. 27.



3. English and French commentators routinely depicted Roosevelt as akin to Mussolini. A more specific reason why, in 1933, the New Deal was often compared with Fascism was that with the help of a massive propaganda campaign, Italy had transitioned from a liberal free-market system to a state-run corporatist one. And corporatism was considered by elitists and intellectuals as the perfect response to the collapse of the liberal free-market economy, as was the national self-sufficiency of the Stalinist Soviet Union. The National Recovery Administration was comparable to Mussolini’s corporatism as both had state control without actual expropriation of private property.

a. Mussolini wrote a book review of Roosevelt’s “Looking Forward,” in which he said “…[as] Roosevelt here calls his readers to battle, is reminiscent of the ways and means by which Fascism awakened the Italian people.” Popolo d’Italia, July 7, 1933.

b. In 1934, Mussolini wrote a review of “New Frontiers,” by FDR’s Sec’y of Agriculture, later Vice-President, Henry Wallace: “Wallace’s answer to what America wants is as follows: anything but a return tyo the free-market, i.e., anarchistic economy. Where is America headed? This book leaves no doubt that it is on the road to corporatism, the economic system of the current century.” Marco Sedda, Il politico, vol. 64, p. 263.

 

[rightwinger]

No, that's the best praise that nuthugger Notarightwinger could come up with.

How about this?


He threatened our very republic, exacerbated a depression, saddled future generations with unsustainable obligations, got into bed with murderous tyrants - all the way down under the sheets, and trampled in the most fundamental way on the rights and freedoms of over one hundred thousand innocent, loyal Americans, including some of the very best and bravest we've ever had. He was absolutely despicable.

Got us out of a Depression, revitalized America during WWII.

Nobody has come close to what FDR accomplished since. Greatest modern President by far.

Turned a recession into the Great Depression.


1. Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., liberal New Deal historian wrote in The National Experience, in 1963, “Though the policies of the Hundred Days had ended despair, they had not produce recovery…” He also wrote honestly about the devastating crash of 1937- in the midst of the “second New Deal” and Roosevelt’s second term. “The collapse in the months after September 1937 was actually more severe than it had been in the first nine months of the depression: national income fell 13 %, payrolls 35 %, durable goods production 50 %, profits 78% .


2. In 1935, the Brookings Institution (left-leaning) delivered a 900-page report on the New Deal and the National Recovery Administration, concluding that “ on the whole it retarded recovery.”
The Real Deal - Society and Culture - AEI

It was already a Depression when FDR took office

In evaluating a Depression, you have to look at more than just numbers. FDR realized that a Depression was not about economic numbers......it was about people

FDR knew that the Depression was not about the bankers.....it was about those on the lowest rung of the economic ladder. FDR realized it was people suffering...not banks
He stepped in and instituted programs to make sure Americans were taken care of, that food was available, that jobs were created

Great President

 

[PoliticalChic]

Got us out of a Depression, revitalized America during WWII.

Nobody has come close to what FDR accomplished since. Greatest modern President by far.

Turned a recession into the Great Depression.


1. Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., liberal New Deal historian wrote in The National Experience, in 1963, “Though the policies of the Hundred Days had ended despair, they had not produce recovery…” He also wrote honestly about the devastating crash of 1937- in the midst of the “second New Deal” and Roosevelt’s second term. “The collapse in the months after September 1937 was actually more severe than it had been in the first nine months of the depression: national income fell 13 %, payrolls 35 %, durable goods production 50 %, profits 78% .


2. In 1935, the Brookings Institution (left-leaning) delivered a 900-page report on the New Deal and the National Recovery Administration, concluding that “ on the whole it retarded recovery.”
The Real Deal - Society and Culture - AEI

It was already a Depression when FDR took office

In evaluating a Depression, you have to look at more than just numbers. FDR realized that a Depression was not about economic numbers......it was about people

FDR knew that the Depression was not about the bankers.....it was about those on the lowest rung of the economic ladder. FDR realized it was people suffering...not banks
He stepped in and instituted programs to make sure Americans were taken care of, that food was available, that jobs were created

Great President

"He stepped in and instituted programs to make sure Americans were taken care of,..."

Are you agreeing that in doing so, he frequently eviscerated the Constitution?

To be clear...my question is not based on whether or not this was essential at the time.

...but it does reflect on your characterization of his being a "Great President."

 

[gipper]

Is that your best criticism of FDR, that America changed during his presidency?

No, that's the best praise that nuthugger Notarightwinger could come up with.

How about this?


He threatened our very republic, exacerbated a depression, saddled future generations with unsustainable obligations, got into bed with murderous tyrants - all the way down under the sheets, and trampled in the most fundamental way on the rights and freedoms of over one hundred thousand innocent, loyal Americans, including some of the very best and bravest we've ever had. He was absolutely despicable.

Got us out of a Depression, revitalized America during WWII.

Nobody has come close to what FDR accomplished since. Greatest modern President by far.

That is most delusional. It is hard to believe any American would think as you do.

This is a history forum. Your foolish beliefs will get you nowhere here.