Why Did Roosevelt Extend WWII By 2 Years??

[Ravi]

But not nuking Japan would have extended the War. All the Military planners at that time agreed about that.

Right, but how much more fun to nuke the bejesus out of them?

FDR couldn't decide if he loved Hitler and wanted to be a Nazi or if he loved Stalin and wanted to be a pretend socialist that was actually a brutal dictator (depending on what PC is thinking that day).

But I think we can all agree that he just loved frying some Japanese people.

FDR was not alive when the Nukes were dropped on Japan. Truman made that decision. However, Operation Meeting House, the fire bombing of Tokyo, took place a month before his death.

Hey now. Just because my theory is outlandishly ridiculous doesn't mean it shouldn't be discussed and dis-proven. Just because he died before it happened doesn't mean that he didn't purposely extend the war for the purpose of nuking Japan.

He didn't know he was going to die, after all.

 

[Camp]

Right, but how much more fun to nuke the bejesus out of them?

FDR couldn't decide if he loved Hitler and wanted to be a Nazi or if he loved Stalin and wanted to be a pretend socialist that was actually a brutal dictator (depending on what PC is thinking that day).

But I think we can all agree that he just loved frying some Japanese people.

FDR was not alive when the Nukes were dropped on Japan. Truman made that decision. However, Operation Meeting House, the fire bombing of Tokyo, took place a month before his death.

Hey now. Just because my theory is outlandishly ridiculous doesn't mean it shouldn't be discussed and dis-proven. Just because he died before it happened doesn't mean that he didn't purposely extend the war for the purpose of nuking Japan.

He didn't know he was going to die, after all.

Good point.

 

[Camp]

Let's begin with this question: what possible reason would the President have to allow WWII to go on an extra year or two???


Stalin demanded "unconditional surrender."
So.....Roosevelt acquiesced.

Do you contest the accepted historical record that indicates that the decision for unconditional surrender was reached at Casablanca? How was Stalin involved if he was not there? What are the sources relied upon to reach this conclusion?

 

[rightwinger]

How FDR shortened the war

1. Reversed the US economy from consumer based to military based
2. Put industry and resources under government control
3. Built strong alliances
4. Strengthened our allies so they could bear more of the burden
5. Manhattan Project

 

[Meathead]

When you've got Nazis and communists killing each other, let it ride.

 

[rightwinger]

When you've got Nazis and communists killing each other, let it ride.

We did

 

[Moonglow]

There was no other option, but unconditional surrender...Hitler was never going to negotiate any peace treaty.
The plan used to pursue the war allowed the US as an untested military force,, to learn how to fight the modern war of combined arms and to build up armed forces which were still weak at unit level. Hitler did the same during the 1930's with the new strategy of blitzkrieg...His troops were allowed to gain experience before taking on France..and Russia.
Hindsight is 20-20 to the uninitiated...

The Germans would have surrendered to the US and Brits in a heartbeat. They knew Stalin was a fucking savage who already starved 3 million kids in the Ukraine in 1933

Most laughable....Hitler never surrendered, even when the Ruskies were on his doorstep....Your fallacy of the truth has been demoted to another hate filled attempt to yet again play character assassin to a dead man....

 

[regent]

Multiple choice:

A, FDR should not have pursued a policy of developing the bomb.

B. FDR had a working bomb but should have decided not to use it.

C. Our predicted invasion casualties were wrong, and the invasion would have been easier.

D. FDR should have given better surrender terms to Japan than given to Germany.

E. Whatever decision FDR made would have been wrong.

F. FDR still bugs the Republicans, especially the historians that rated FDR as best president.

 

[Ravi]

Multiple choice:

A, FDR should not have pursued a policy of developing the bomb.

B. FDR had a working bomb but should have decided not to use it.

C. Our predicted invasion casualties were wrong, and the invasion would have been easier.

D. FDR should have given better surrender terms to Japan than given to Germany.

E. Whatever decision FDR made would have been wrong.

F. FDR still bugs the Republicans, especially the historians that rated FDR as best president.

E. Whatever decision FDR made would have been wrong.

SSDD

 

[Moonglow]

The Germans and the Japanese were both working on nuclear development with heavy water experiments...

 

[regent]

If anything, it was the actions of FDR who ended the war two or more years early

The GI's in the Pacific had a saying for their end of the war prediction:
"Golden Gate in 48, breadline in 49."

 

[PoliticalChic]

Let's begin with this question: what possible reason would the President have to allow WWII to go on an extra year or two???


Stalin demanded "unconditional surrender."
So.....Roosevelt acquiesced.

Do you contest the accepted historical record that indicates that the decision for unconditional surrender was reached at Casablanca? How was Stalin involved if he was not there? What are the sources relied upon to reach this conclusion?

Your education is about to be advanced: pay close attention-


The OP stated that "We were secretly master-manipulated" by Stalin and the Soviets.

Let's get an idea of how thorough, and long-range their planning is.....


3. Before we proceed to Stalin's plan for Germany, learn about how the Soviets operate, starting with Pearl Harbor.

Not only did Stalin know about Japanese plans to attack the United States many months in advance, but there is evidence that the Soviets were involved in instigating the attack on America!
(see INVESTIGATIONS: The Case Against I.P.R. - TIME and "Blacklisted By History," Stanton Evans, p. 393-395)




a. From both Tokyo and Washington, KGB cells 'worked in mid-1941 to avert a Japanese invasion of the Soviet Union..."
"Sacred Secrets: How Soviet Intelligence Operations Changed American History," by Leona Schecter and Jerrold Schecter

b. Soviet military intelligence officer, Richard Sorge, directed the espionage network in Tokyo, which included member of the Institute of Pacific Relations, managed to push the Japanese to strike, not north into the Soviet Union, but at American interests.
"Blacklisted By History," Stanton Evans, p. 390-392




4. In Washington, agent Lauchlin Currie, White House economic adviser to President Franklin Roosevelt, worked at undermining any rapprochement between the US and Japan, and influenced the US to provoke the Japanese.





5. In 1995, Kremlin agent Vitaly Pavlov revealed "Operation Snow," the plan to manipulate Japan and America into war.

a.In "Sacred Secrets: How Soviet Intelligence Operations Changed American History," Leona Schecter and Jerrold Schecter make a very strong case for Pearl Harbor being the most complex and successful KGB operation, designed to avert a Japanese attack on the USSR, and to force the United States to fight a two-front war, and be unable to stop Stalin from control of at least half of Europe. In 1995, former Kremlin agent Vitaly Pavlov revealed his role in this "Operation Snow."

b. Pavlov "was sent to the United States seven months before the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor to meet with Harry Dexter White, then director of Monetary Research for the Treasury. Did "Snow" mean "White"? Yes,
Harry Dexter White had been a Soviet "asset" since the early 1930s, providing information to Whittaker Chambers, a courier for the communist underground. By 1941 White was a top aide and adviser to Henry Morgenthau, Jr., Secretary of the Treasury. Pavlov wrote that the Soviets feared a Japanese attack from the east, and his mission was to discuss with White what could be done to keep the Japanese from joining forces with the Germans."
Sacred Secrets: How Soviet Intelligence Operations Changed American History



Keep in mind 'White was a top aide and adviser to Henry Morgenthau, Jr., Secretary of the Treasury'.....this will prove important later.




c. "The chapter on Pearl Harbor is likewise instructive as to how Soviet agents operated. Japan seriously considered an attack on Russia, but Stalin’s agents in the Japanese government and in the highly efficient Sorge spy ring on the island nation helped persuade Imperial Japan to turn its aggression “elsewhere.” That “elsewhere” eventually turned out to be Pearl Harbor. Stalin’s acolytes in the U.S. were simultaneously pushing a foreign policy against Japan that would lead the Japanese away from any designs on Siberia and toward conflict with America." Infiltration, intrigue and Communists - Conservative News


Machiavelli could have learned from Stalin!

 

[guno]

Another amazing thread by little miss Saigon who has no historical family connection to America of that time period .of the depression, Once again showing that she knows very little about anything, But she is loud about it

 

[JakeStarkey]

OP is fail.

Logistics (particularly assault boats and cargo carriers) in 1943 as the Mediterranean and Pacific theatres competed for assets made anything other than Italian and western Pacific islands targets.

Until western Europe was assaulted in June 1944, the Axis had no trouble keeping the Allies contained on the Italian boot.

The Axis collapsed 11 months later. If the Allies had stayed in the central and eastern from Mediterranean only from 1942 on, the war in Europe would have lasted until 1948 or later.

 

[JakeStarkey]

"How was Stalin involved if he was not there? What are the sources relied upon to reach this conclusion?"

She nattered and did not answer the questions.

 

[rightwinger]

Let's begin with this question: what possible reason would the President have to allow WWII to go on an extra year or two???


Stalin demanded "unconditional surrender."
So.....Roosevelt acquiesced.

Do you contest the accepted historical record that indicates that the decision for unconditional surrender was reached at Casablanca? How was Stalin involved if he was not there? What are the sources relied upon to reach this conclusion?

Your education is about to be advanced: pay close attention-


The OP stated that "We were secretly master-manipulated" by Stalin and the Soviets.

Let's get an idea of how thorough, and long-range their planning is.....


3. Before we proceed to Stalin's plan for Germany, learn about how the Soviets operate, starting with Pearl Harbor.

Not only did Stalin know about Japanese plans to attack the United States many months in advance, but there is evidence that the Soviets were involved in instigating the attack on America!
(see INVESTIGATIONS: The Case Against I.P.R. - TIME and "Blacklisted By History," Stanton Evans, p. 393-395)




a. From both Tokyo and Washington, KGB cells 'worked in mid-1941 to avert a Japanese invasion of the Soviet Union..."
"Sacred Secrets: How Soviet Intelligence Operations Changed American History," by Leona Schecter and Jerrold Schecter

b. Soviet military intelligence officer, Richard Sorge, directed the espionage network in Tokyo, which included member of the Institute of Pacific Relations, managed to push the Japanese to strike, not north into the Soviet Union, but at American interests.
"Blacklisted By History," Stanton Evans, p. 390-392




4. In Washington, agent Lauchlin Currie, White House economic adviser to President Franklin Roosevelt, worked at undermining any rapprochement between the US and Japan, and influenced the US to provoke the Japanese.





5. In 1995, Kremlin agent Vitaly Pavlov revealed "Operation Snow," the plan to manipulate Japan and America into war.

a.In "Sacred Secrets: How Soviet Intelligence Operations Changed American History," Leona Schecter and Jerrold Schecter make a very strong case for Pearl Harbor being the most complex and successful KGB operation, designed to avert a Japanese attack on the USSR, and to force the United States to fight a two-front war, and be unable to stop Stalin from control of at least half of Europe. In 1995, former Kremlin agent Vitaly Pavlov revealed his role in this "Operation Snow."

b. Pavlov "was sent to the United States seven months before the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor to meet with Harry Dexter White, then director of Monetary Research for the Treasury. Did "Snow" mean "White"? Yes,
Harry Dexter White had been a Soviet "asset" since the early 1930s, providing information to Whittaker Chambers, a courier for the communist underground. By 1941 White was a top aide and adviser to Henry Morgenthau, Jr., Secretary of the Treasury. Pavlov wrote that the Soviets feared a Japanese attack from the east, and his mission was to discuss with White what could be done to keep the Japanese from joining forces with the Germans."
Sacred Secrets: How Soviet Intelligence Operations Changed American History



Keep in mind 'White was a top aide and adviser to Henry Morgenthau, Jr., Secretary of the Treasury'.....this will prove important later.




c. "The chapter on Pearl Harbor is likewise instructive as to how Soviet agents operated. Japan seriously considered an attack on Russia, but Stalin’s agents in the Japanese government and in the highly efficient Sorge spy ring on the island nation helped persuade Imperial Japan to turn its aggression “elsewhere.” That “elsewhere” eventually turned out to be Pearl Harbor. Stalin’s acolytes in the U.S. were simultaneously pushing a foreign policy against Japan that would lead the Japanese away from any designs on Siberia and toward conflict with America." Infiltration, intrigue and Communists - Conservative News


Machiavelli could have learned from Stalin!

Interesting conspiracy theory cut and paste

But it does nothing to prove the premise of the OP. Do you even know what your own thread is about?

 

[JakeStarkey]

PC has very little understanding of WWII, Stalin, FDR, communism, and the interacting of the countries and their leaders.

 

[Camp]

Do you contest the accepted historical record that indicates that the decision for unconditional surrender was reached at Casablanca? How was Stalin involved if he was not there? What are the sources relied upon to reach this conclusion?

Your education is about to be advanced: pay close attention-


The OP stated that "We were secretly master-manipulated" by Stalin and the Soviets.

Let's get an idea of how thorough, and long-range their planning is.....


3. Before we proceed to Stalin's plan for Germany, learn about how the Soviets operate, starting with Pearl Harbor.

Not only did Stalin know about Japanese plans to attack the United States many months in advance, but there is evidence that the Soviets were involved in instigating the attack on America!
(see INVESTIGATIONS: The Case Against I.P.R. - TIME and "Blacklisted By History," Stanton Evans, p. 393-395)




a. From both Tokyo and Washington, KGB cells 'worked in mid-1941 to avert a Japanese invasion of the Soviet Union..."
"Sacred Secrets: How Soviet Intelligence Operations Changed American History," by Leona Schecter and Jerrold Schecter

b. Soviet military intelligence officer, Richard Sorge, directed the espionage network in Tokyo, which included member of the Institute of Pacific Relations, managed to push the Japanese to strike, not north into the Soviet Union, but at American interests.
"Blacklisted By History," Stanton Evans, p. 390-392




4. In Washington, agent Lauchlin Currie, White House economic adviser to President Franklin Roosevelt, worked at undermining any rapprochement between the US and Japan, and influenced the US to provoke the Japanese.





5. In 1995, Kremlin agent Vitaly Pavlov revealed "Operation Snow," the plan to manipulate Japan and America into war.

a.In "Sacred Secrets: How Soviet Intelligence Operations Changed American History," Leona Schecter and Jerrold Schecter make a very strong case for Pearl Harbor being the most complex and successful KGB operation, designed to avert a Japanese attack on the USSR, and to force the United States to fight a two-front war, and be unable to stop Stalin from control of at least half of Europe. In 1995, former Kremlin agent Vitaly Pavlov revealed his role in this "Operation Snow."

b. Pavlov "was sent to the United States seven months before the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor to meet with Harry Dexter White, then director of Monetary Research for the Treasury. Did "Snow" mean "White"? Yes,
Harry Dexter White had been a Soviet "asset" since the early 1930s, providing information to Whittaker Chambers, a courier for the communist underground. By 1941 White was a top aide and adviser to Henry Morgenthau, Jr., Secretary of the Treasury. Pavlov wrote that the Soviets feared a Japanese attack from the east, and his mission was to discuss with White what could be done to keep the Japanese from joining forces with the Germans."
Sacred Secrets: How Soviet Intelligence Operations Changed American History



Keep in mind 'White was a top aide and adviser to Henry Morgenthau, Jr., Secretary of the Treasury'.....this will prove important later.




c. "The chapter on Pearl Harbor is likewise instructive as to how Soviet agents operated. Japan seriously considered an attack on Russia, but Stalin’s agents in the Japanese government and in the highly efficient Sorge spy ring on the island nation helped persuade Imperial Japan to turn its aggression “elsewhere.” That “elsewhere” eventually turned out to be Pearl Harbor. Stalin’s acolytes in the U.S. were simultaneously pushing a foreign policy against Japan that would lead the Japanese away from any designs on Siberia and toward conflict with America." Infiltration, intrigue and Communists - Conservative News


Machiavelli could have learned from Stalin!

Interesting conspiracy theory cut and paste

But it does nothing to prove the premise of the OP. Do you even know what your own thread is about?

Completely ignores Japans main motivation, oil. The oil was in the south and controlled by the US and allies. Was no oil in the north.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Excuse me. I was looking for the History board, but I see by the OP that somehow I have ended up in the Rubber Room....

 

[PoliticalChic]

PC has very little understanding of WWII, Stalin, FDR, communism, and the interacting of the countries and their leaders.

"PC has very little understanding of WWII, Stalin, FDR, communism, and the interacting of the countries and their leaders."


You, posting this, is like Doctor Kevorkian pontificating thaqt other doctors don't teach the Heimlich Maneuver well.

That's Jakal being Jakal......idiot.



Bet if you turn around quickly when you speak you'll find lots of eye-rolling.