Why did Britain go to War over Poland in 1939?

[gipper]

And that’s why you’re an uninformed crackpot

So dumb.

If you knew anything about Unz, you’d know he’s a tremendous researcher. Citing experts throughout his many books and columns. Experts often ignored by the mainstream sources you consume. You may disagree with his conclusions, but he thoroughly documents his works.

If you think Wikipedia is a reliable source, you’re an idiot.

 

[Soupnazi630]

The Nazis did not exist until the Allies abused Germany so badly that they created the Nazis.

wrong

You know nothing of history

 

[Dante]

Its actually a lot more complicate than that.

First of all, you have to forget the WWI propaganda.
Like the claims Germany started the war and was barbecuing Belgium babies to eat.

In any reasonable and rational discussion, you lose credibility right there.

 

[Dante]

Its actually a lot more complicate than that.

First of all, you have to forget the WWI propaganda.
Like the claims Germany started the war and was barbecuing Belgium babies to eat.

The reality is that England, France, and Russia deliberately started WWI, and Russia selected, trained, and armed Prinzip to assassinate Archduke Ferdinand and his wife.
France started it by invading southern Germany.
The Allies never defeated the German or got them out of France.
The war ended by the US illegally sinking enough food ships to cause massive starvation in Germany.
And the Treaty of Versailles was a joke, stealing half of Germany, and all its ships and colonies, while making them repay for a war the Allies started.

This post just proves you actual do live in The Twilight Zone. Even more amusing is how it also proves how clueless you are in how you are viewed by others.

 

[gipper]

wrong

You know nothing of history

Wrong. Anyone who bothers to study the rise of Hitler knows he would never had a chance at power had the western powers not imposed ridiculous sanctions and stole German land.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Wrong. Anyone who bothers to study the rise of Hitler knows he would never had a chance at power had the western powers not imposed ridiculous sanctions and stole German land.

WRONG

We have long since esptablished that you are uneducated and have never studied anything especially history

 

[gipper]

This post just proves you actual do live in The Twilight Zone. Even more amusing is how it also proves how clueless you are in how you are viewed by others.

The fact is his post is very accurate. What about the post is inaccurate in your mind?

 

[gipper]

WRONG

We have long since esptablished that you are uneducated and have never studied anything especially history

Dumb as always. You always believe the court historians, even though you think the state is a thief.

 

[Soupnazi630]

The fact is his post is very accurate. What about the post is inaccurate in your mind?

Like all of your posts he is full of three kinds of shit and knows nothing about history

Like you he is a childish liar of low integrity

 

[gipper]

Like all of your posts he is full of three kinds of shit and knows nothing about history

Like you he is a childish liar of low integrity

Only to an idiot like you, who always believes whatever the state tells you.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Dumb as always. You always believe the court historians, even though you think the state is a thief.

Xmarter than you as always

I know more of history than you and it is not written by the state you braindead fool


I ALWAYS prove you wrong and a ******* LIAR

 

[Soupnazi630]

Only to an idiot like you, who always believes whatever the state tells you.

The state telles me nothing

You are the gullible moron who buys bridges in brooklyn

In your retarded brain no one outside of government lies . You do of course but that is different

You are slow uneducated and dishonest

 

[gipper]

The state telles me nothing

You are the gullible moron who buys bridges in brooklyn

In your retarded brain no one outside of government lies . You do of course but that is different

You are slow uneducated and dishonest

Yeah did you hear? Oswald shot JFK all by himself.

Lol.

 

[Dante]

Wrong. Anyone who bothers to study the rise of Hitler knows he would never had a chance at power had the western powers not imposed ridiculous sanctions and stole German land.

Oh poor babies. The poor misunderstood Germans. Boo, hoo, hoo...

and "western powers?"


Treaty of Versailles
Critics including John Maynard Keynes declared the treaty too harsh, styling it as a "Carthaginian peace", and saying the reparations were excessive and counterproductive. On the other hand, prominent Allied figures such as French Marshal Ferdinand Foch criticized the treaty for treating Germany too leniently. This is still the subject of ongoing debate by historians and economists.

Allies not Western Powers
he Allies or the Entente (UK: /ɒ̃ˈtɒ̃t/, US: /ɒnˈtɒnt/ on-TONT) was an international military coalition of countries led by the French Republic, the United Kingdom, the Russian Empire, the United States, the Kingdom of Italy, and the Empire of Japan against the Central Powers of the German Empire, Austria-Hungary, the Ottoman Empire, and the Kingdom of Bulgaria in World War I (1914–1918).

Aftermath​

In the aftermath of the war, the German, Austro-Hungarian, Ottoman, and Russian empires disappeared.[f] Numerous nations regained their former independence, and new ones were created. Four dynasties fell as a result of the war: the Romanovs, the Hohenzollerns, the Habsburgs, and the Ottomans. Belgium and Serbia were badly damaged, as was France, with 1.4 million soldiers dead,[214] not counting other casualties. Germany and Russia were similarly affected.[215]
Main article: Aftermath of World War I

Formal end of the war​

A formal state of war between the two sides persisted for another seven months, until the signing of the Treaty of Versailles with Germany on 28 June 1919. The US Senate did not ratify the treaty despite public support for it,[216][217]and did not formally end its involvement in the war until the Knox–Porter Resolution was signed on 2 July 1921 by President Warren G. Harding.[218] For the British Empire, the state of war ceased under the provisions of the Termination of the Present War (Definition) Act 1918 concerning:

Germany on 10 January 1920.[219]
Austria on 16 July 1920.[220]
Bulgaria on 9 August 1920.[221]
Hungary on 26 July 1921.[222]
Turkey on 6 August 1924.[223]

Some war memorials date the end of the war as being when the Versailles Treaty was signed in 1919, which was when many of the troops serving abroad finally returned home; by contrast, most commemorations of the war's end concentrate on the armistice of 11 November 1918.[224]

 

[gipper]

Oh poor babies. The poor misunderstood Germans. Boo, hoo, hoo...

and "western powers?"


Treaty of Versailles
Critics including John Maynard Keynes declared the treaty too harsh, styling it as a "Carthaginian peace", and saying the reparations were excessive and counterproductive. On the other hand, prominent Allied figures such as French Marshal Ferdinand Foch criticized the treaty for treating Germany too leniently. This is still the subject of ongoing debate by historians and economists.

Allies not Western Powers
he Allies or the Entente (UK: /ɒ̃ˈtɒ̃t/, US: /ɒnˈtɒnt/ on-TONT) was an international military coalition of countries led by the French Republic, the United Kingdom, the Russian Empire, the United States, the Kingdom of Italy, and the Empire of Japan against the Central Powers of the German Empire, Austria-Hungary, the Ottoman Empire, and the Kingdom of Bulgaria in World War I (1914–1918).

Aftermath​

In the aftermath of the war, the German, Austro-Hungarian, Ottoman, and Russian empires disappeared.[f] Numerous nations regained their former independence, and new ones were created. Four dynasties fell as a result of the war: the Romanovs, the Hohenzollerns, the Habsburgs, and the Ottomans. Belgium and Serbia were badly damaged, as was France, with 1.4 million soldiers dead,[214] not counting other casualties. Germany and Russia were similarly affected.[215]
Main article: Aftermath of World War I

Formal end of the war​

A formal state of war between the two sides persisted for another seven months, until the signing of the Treaty of Versailles with Germany on 28 June 1919. The US Senate did not ratify the treaty despite public support for it,[216][217]and did not formally end its involvement in the war until the Knox–Porter Resolution was signed on 2 July 1921 by President Warren G. Harding.[218] For the British Empire, the state of war ceased under the provisions of the Termination of the Present War (Definition) Act 1918 concerning:

Germany on 10 January 1920.[219]
Austria on 16 July 1920.[220]
Bulgaria on 9 August 1920.[221]
Hungary on 26 July 1921.[222]
Turkey on 6 August 1924.[223]

Some war memorials date the end of the war as being when the Versailles Treaty was signed in 1919, which was when many of the troops serving abroad finally returned home; by contrast, most commemorations of the war's end concentrate on the armistice of 11 November 1918.[224]

If the western powers hadn’t imposed those ludicrous restrictions on Germany, there is no Hitler and maybe no WWII.

Does that logic blow your mind?

 

[Dante]

The fact is his post is very accurate. What about the post is inaccurate in your mind?

You might want to start with Wikipedia entries, and work our way back up to reality from there:

"The causes of World War I included the rise of Germany and decline of the Ottoman Empire, which disturbed the long-standing balance of power in Europe, and rising economic competition between nations driven by industrialisation and imperialism. Growing tensions between the great powers and in the Balkans reached a breaking point on 28 June 1914, when Gavrilo Princip, a Bosnian Serb, assassinated the heir to the Austro-Hungarian throne."

"Austria-Hungary blamed Serbia, and declared war on 28 July."

"After Russia mobilised in Serbia's defence, Germany declared war on Russia and France, who had an alliance."

"The United Kingdom entered after Germany invaded Belgium, and the Ottomans joined the Central Powers in November."

"Germany's strategy in 1914 was to quickly defeat France then transfer its forces to the east, but its advance was halted in September, and by the end of the year the Western Front consisted of a near-continuous line of trenches from the English Channel to Switzerland."

"The Eastern Front was more dynamic, but neither side gained a decisive advantage, despite costly offensives. Italy, Bulgaria, Romania, Greece and others joined in from 1915 onward."

 

[gipper]

You might want to start with Wikipedia entries, and work our way back up to reality from there:

"The causes of World War I included the rise of Germany and decline of the Ottoman Empire, which disturbed the long-standing balance of power in Europe, and rising economic competition between nations driven by industrialisation and imperialism. Growing tensions between the great powers and in the Balkans reached a breaking point on 28 June 1914, when Gavrilo Princip, a Bosnian Serb, assassinated the heir to the Austro-Hungarian throne."

"Austria-Hungary blamed Serbia, and declared war on 28 July."

"After Russia mobilised in Serbia's defence, Germany declared war on Russia and France, who had an alliance."

"The United Kingdom entered after Germany invaded Belgium, and the Ottomans joined the Central Powers in November."

"Germany's strategy in 1914 was to quickly defeat France then transfer its forces to the east, but its advance was halted in September, and by the end of the year the Western Front consisted of a near-continuous line of trenches from the English Channel to Switzerland."

"The Eastern Front was more dynamic, but neither side gained a decisive advantage, despite costly offensives. Italy, Bulgaria, Romania, Greece and others joined in from 1915 onward."

No. Never use Wikipedia. Only fools and statists use it.

 

[Astrostar]

History has shown that Britain made a huge mistake by going to war with Germany for a second time in the 20th Century, losing its empire and reducing it to a third rate economic power. With WW1, it had to dust off a 100 year old international treaty recognizing Belgium's independence as an excuse to declare war and ruin its economy.

With WW2, Britain hastily put together a mutual defense treaty with Poland only a week before Poland was invaded by Germany (and the USSR), It then used this treaty as an excuse to declare war, even though Germany posed absolutely no threat to it. Once again, Britain claimed a pyrrhic victory over Germany while losing the rest of its empire and condemning Eastern Europe to Soviet domination for decades. Why did this happen? What was Britain's national interest in Poland?

German pre-war territory in Western Europe had already been restored, and Austria had willingly joined with Germany. The only German territory remaining in dispute was in the newly created states of Czechoslovakia and Poland. Czechoslovakia had never been a recognized entity prior to WW1, and it was already starting to break apart by the time Germany reclaimed the German areas of that country. As with the other territorial reacquisitions, Britain lodged some formal protests but did nothing to prevent them. British PM Neville Chamberlain claimed to have negotiated a big "peace" deal in Munich with Hitler, but it ended up being a feeble attempt at appeasement..

Then came Poland, which had been recreated after WW1 as an obstacle to German and Russian hegemony in Eastern Europe. Not only did it invalidate the borders agreed to by both countries the war, it also cut off Germany's largest and most important province (East Prussia) from the rest of the country. Germany wanted to restore a secure road and rail connection between them, as well as the formerly German city of Danzig which was along this route. Still smarting from public disparagement of his peace deal, Chamberlain urged Poland to reject any German proposals and then pledged that Britain would prevent any German incursions into its territory. When this happened in September 1939, his hollow assurances were exposed and he had to declare war on Germany to save face. Notably, he did not feel there was any reason to declare war on the Soviet Union, which invaded Poland from the east two weeks later! The Soviets also invaded Finland, and Chamberlain still felt there was no reason to declare war on them.

Other than some skirmishes involving British and German naval units, nothing much happened for the next six months. By then, Chamberlain was under increasing pressure to resign for getting Britain into another war with Germany. Yet in March 1940 he started bombing German naval facilities and laying plans to occupy Norway. The Germans got wind of these plans and acted first to protect their iron ore shipments from that country, also gaining permission to protect its shipping lanes around Denmark.
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After futile attempts to arrange a peace agreement with Britain and France, who had deployed a huge standing army on its border, Germany invaded the latter in May 1940. Faced with this unfolding debacle, Chamberlain finally resigned and was replaced as Prime Minister by Winston Churchill. Churchill had maintained a hatred of Germany ever since he was removed as First Lord of the Admiralty because of his poor performance during WW1. Upon his appointment as PM, he began a campaign of bombing German cities and killing their inhabitants.

By the end of WW2 Britain was no longer "Great" and was already losing its influence in world affairs. As the ensuing 80 years have shown, it is no longer dominant even in European affairs. It seems that the decline of the British Empire weighs heavily on the shoulders of its two wartime Prime Ministers: The first motivated by spite, and the second motivated by malice against Germany.*

*It should be noted that subsequent German atrocities during WW2 were not known and played no part in Britain's declaration and prosecution of war against Germany.

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[Dante]

You might want to start with Wikipedia entries, and work our way back up to reality from there:

"The causes of World War I included the rise of Germany and decline of the Ottoman Empire, which disturbed the long-standing balance of power in Europe, and rising economic competition between nations driven by industrialisation and imperialism. Growing tensions between the great powers and in the Balkans reached a breaking point on 28 June 1914, when Gavrilo Princip, a Bosnian Serb, assassinated the heir to the Austro-Hungarian throne."

"Austria-Hungary blamed Serbia, and declared war on 28 July."

"After Russia mobilised in Serbia's defence, Germany declared war on Russia and France, who had an alliance."

"The United Kingdom entered after Germany invaded Belgium, and the Ottomans joined the Central Powers in November."

"Germany's strategy in 1914 was to quickly defeat France then transfer its forces to the east, but its advance was halted in September, and by the end of the year the Western Front consisted of a near-continuous line of trenches from the English Channel to Switzerland."

"The Eastern Front was more dynamic, but neither side gained a decisive advantage, despite costly offensives. Italy, Bulgaria, Romania, Greece and others joined in from 1915 onward."

Interesting analysis:

"According to historian Zbyněk Zeman, in Vienna "the event almost failed to make any impression whatsoever. On 28 and 29 June, the crowds listened to music and drank wine, as if nothing had happened."[36 First World War Hardcover – January 1, 2003 by H P Willmott (Author) ]"

" Nevertheless, the impact of the murder of the heir to the throne was significant, and has been described by historian Christopher Clark as a "9/11 effect, a terrorist event charged with historic meaning, transforming the political chemistry in Vienna".[37 First World War Hardcover – January 1, 2003 by H P Willmott (Author) ]"

 

[Dante]

No. Never use Wikipedia. Only fools and statists use it.

Really? Refute a single sentence. Go ahead and try.

to quote you: "The fact is... [this] post is very accurate. What about the post is inaccurate in your mind?"