Why conspiracies are so popular — and what we can do to stop them

[sartre play]

Didn't y'all attack the capitol in deference to an absurd '2020 election was stolen' conspiracy? A conspiracy MAGA pushes to this day?

And didn't Trump push the birther conspiracy for half a decade, up to and including making up fake 'investigators in Hawaii'?

And I'm still waiting for Comer's 'judgment day' about Joe Biden making money off of Hunter's business deals.

Didn't y'all push the conspiracy that Bill Ayers wrote Obama's autobiography?

And how many people did y'all accuse the Clintons of killing?

And didn't y'all push absurd conspiracies about Seth Rich, including that he was murdered by Hillary Clinton?

Didn't y'all push the idea that Clinton killed Epstein?

Didn't y'all push the conspiracy that the cocaine found at the White House belonged to Hunter Biden?

Didn't y'all push the conspiracy that the BLS stats were 'rigged'?

Didn't y'all push a conspiracy that Beyonce was paid 11 million for performances related to Harris?

Didn't y'all push some bizarre 'gay escort' nonsense conspiracies about Paul Pelosi's being brutally attacked with a hammer?

And those are just the little ones,
People just seem to love the Hate that these BS story's from all sides provide.
And in the insecurity.
Why have we given up honesty, in the name of political winning?

 

[Skylar]

And those are just the little ones,
People just seem to love the Hate that these BS story's from all sides provide.
And in the insecurity.
Why have we given up honesty, in the name of political winning?

The stories themselves when taken as fact without evidence breed an almost hallucinatory reasoning where if you can say a thing, the universe must manifest that thing as true.

Take the 'BLS numbers are rigged'. There's literally no evidence of it. Yet some folks accept the story as true without such evidence.

A story by itself means very little. Its how that story matches the evidence that defines a factual theory compared to a conspiracy theory. Most conspiracy theories are about emotional attachment to underlying ideas.

Take the flat earth. Its a terrible theory to explain the world. Its backed by little to no evidence. It requires the conspiratorial dismissal of literal centuries of data collected by tens of thousands of observers. And its functionally useless, as anytime a flat earther wants to navigate or determine sunrise, or figure out when eclipse is going to happen.....they use the globe earth model.

But if you see how these people push their conspiracy, its not a reason based argument. Its an emotional one. They make poor arguments that seem plausible on the surface but quickly fall apart when reviewed.

Like.....how only a container could keep the atmosphere from going into the vacuum of space, as a vacuum would suck the atmosphere away. On its surface, that makes sense. But when you start taking into account the changes in atmospheric pressure , decreasing as you go up, its clearly apparent that a container is not the only force that can keep high pressure from filling low pressure. Debunking their core premise.

When faced with this, they abandon the argument. They're not looking for an informed audience. They're looking for an uninformed audience. One they can feed these 'on the surface this makes sense' arguments until they're emotionally invested. And once emotionally invested, the evidence doesn't matter.

You see the same patter with election denial, birtherism, 911 truther conspiracies, illuminati conspiracy, all sorts. Its a common pattern to get new, ignorant recruits to emotionally invest so they stop caring about evidence.

 

[Billiejeens]

A coma may be the only thing that could keep you from posting here. But the rest of us have a life.

Though thank you for demonstrating another staple of the conspiracy mindset: blanket dismissal of vast information based on vague accusations.

In this case, you dismissing the Mueller Report because it was supposedly based on 'false information'. What false information, you can't say.

The coma thing was me being magnanimous.

Declassified documents recently released, prove that any and all relationship(s)
between Russia and Candidate Trump were made up.

So, the world (including Mueller) operated on the false information that Obama had instructed the intelligence agencies
to disseminate.

 

[Skylar]

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Y'all just ignore the legion of conspiracy misses. I mean, if we're going to ignore any outcome that isn't the one we're looking for, I can flip a coin and get heads 50 out of 50 times in a row (*).










(*) coin flips that show tails are fake flips, and thus will be ignored and removed from the data set.

 

[Skylar]

The coma thing was me being magnanimous.

Declassified documents recently released, prove that any and all relationship(s)
between Russia and Candidate Trump were made up.

So, the world (including Mueller) operated on the false information that Obama had instructed the intelligence agencies
to disseminate.

Then it will be remarkably easy for you to show us what false information that Mueller based his conclusions on.

But you can't. You can't tell us what 'false information' Mueller supposedly use, nor can you tell us what conclusions he made that were based on 'false information'.

Instead, you're giving us a uselessly vague stories about 'relationships', that don't demonstrate any 'false information' as the basis of the Mueller report. Which you ignore.

You're just a poster child for the flawed process of story over evidence that conspiracy theorists rely upon. This is such an elegant demonstration of my point.

 

[Billiejeens]

Then it will be remarkably easy for you to show us what false information that Mueller based his conclusions on.

But you can't. You can't tell us what 'false information' Mueller supposedly use, nor can you tell us what conclusions he made that were based on 'false information'.

Instead, you're giving us a uselessly vague stories about 'relationships', that don't demonstrate any 'false information' as the basis of the Mueller report. Which you ignore.

You're just a poster child for the flawed process of story over evidence that conspiracy theorists rely upon. This is such an elegant demonstration of my point.

You are dismissed
Go spend time with your real life.

 

[initforme]

Yeah, I remember the conspiracy theory about the "stolen 2000 election". I also remember the one claiming "no WMD". I also remember the one about Joe Biden being sharp as a tack.

Just wherewere those pesky wmd's?

 

[Skylar]

You are dismissed
Go spend time with your real life.

Try again if you ever manage to find any of that 'false information' that Mueller supposedly based his conclusions on in the Mueller report. Even you can't tell us what it is, let alone factually establish it exists. Nor tell us which conclusion that Mueller drew in his report that was based on it.

But you do have that vague story that you use to internally justify ignoring the entire Mueller Report.

Thank you again for this lovely demonstration of the absurdity of the 'story-over-evidence' model of conspiracy reasoning.

This is, of course, exactly what separates a factual theory from a story based conspiracy. The factual theory relies on evidence. The story based conspiracy relies on vague narrative.

 

[Lesh]

That report was based on false information.

Based on what?

 

[SeaMajor7]

Try again if you ever manage to find any of that 'false information' that Mueller supposedly based his conclusions in the Mueller report on. Even you can't tell us what it is, let alone factually establish it exists. Nor tell us which conclusion that Mueller drew in his report that was based on it.

But you do have that vague story that you use to internally justify ignoring the entire Mueller Report.

Thank you again for this lovely demonstration of the absurdity of the 'story over evidence' model of conspiracy reasoning.

This is, of course, exactly what separates a factual theory from a story based conspiracy. The factual theory relies on evidence. The story based conspiracy relies on vague narrative.

You should be pissed off at Obama et al because THEY LIED TO YOU, and now you're here making an ass of yourself.
Poor fella'.

 

[Skylar]

Based on what?

His story.

 

[Skylar]

You should be pissed off at Obama et al because THEY LIED TO YOU, and now you're here making an ass of yourself.
Poor fella'.

I'm making an ass out of myself for noting how eager MAGA is to gobble absurd conspiracy theories in bulk?

Or for asking for what 'false information' Mueller used as the basis of his conclusions in the Mueller report?

As there is no debate that Russia helped the Trump campaign in the 2016 election. Even Gabbard doesn't deny this. With the 2016 intel leadership team determining that Russia helping the Trump campaign constituted a preference by the Russians for Trump's victory.

Where is the 'lie'? Let alone the justification for EXECUTING the 2016 intel leadership team?

 

[SeaMajor7]

I'm making an ass out of myself for noting how eager MAGA is to gobble absurd conspiracy theories in bulk?

Or for asking for what 'false information' Mueller used as the basis of his conclusions in the Mueller report?

As there is no debate that Russia helped the Trump campaign in the 2016 election. Even Gabbard doesn't deny this. With the 2016 intel leadership team determining that Russia helping the Trump campaign constituted a preference by the Russians for Trump's victory.

Where is the 'lie'? Let alone the justification for EXECUTING the 2016 intel leadership team?

Don't stop bleeeeevin.
Hold on to that feeeeeeeeeeelin'.

 

[Skylar]

Don't stop bleeeeevin.
Hold on to that feeeeeeeeeeelin'.

Laughing.....so even you can define the lie. Nor a crime. Let alone a crime worthy of execution.

Give me a holler if you ever do.

 

[BluesLegend]

Even in the face of overwhelming evidence, false narratives can be incredibly sticky.

Like the government wide FALSE Trump/Russia collusion BS.

 

[SeaMajor7]

Laughing.....so even you can define the lie. Nor a crime. Let alone a crime worthy of execution.

Give me a holler if you ever do.

SEDITIOUS GRAND CONSPIRACY

"They don't think it be like it is, but it do."
OG

 

[Skylar]

SEDITIOUS GRAND CONSPIRACY

"They don't think it be like it is, but it do."
OG

Oh, I've heard the accusation. But what Gabbard 'revealed' was a debate among the 2016 intel community of whether or not Russia's unambiguous help of the Trump campaign constituted a preference by the Russians for Trump's victory.

The 2016 intel leadership team determined that it did.

Where's the 'crime' exactly?

I take it the Trump admin's suppression of the Epstein files really isn't going well if that's the best you've got.

 

[Billiejeens]

Oh, I've heard the accusation. But what Gabbard 'revealed' was a debate among the 2016 intel community of whether or not Russia's unambiguous help of the Trump campaign constituted a preference by the Russians for Trump's victory.

The 2016 intel leadership team determined that it did.

Where's the 'crime' exactly?

I take it the Trump admin's suppression of the Epstein files really isn't going well if that's the best you've got.

Okay

so, no coma

Your echo chamber simply creates its own reality for you.

Kewl

 

[defcon4]

Is it part of our Judeo Christian Heritage? Or have we been conditioned from birth to believe nonsense like Easter Bunnies and Tooth Fairies?

I rather go with Baba Yaga taking Europe.

 

[Skylar]

Okay

so, no coma

Your echo chamber simply creates its own reality for you.

Kewl

Still waiting for that 'false information' that Mueller supposedly based his conclusions on in the Mueller report.

Narrative may trump evidence in your echo chamber. But outside it, you're just demonstrating generic conspiracy-think, insisting that your story alone makes your conspiracy true.

Just like the flat earthers, truthers and birthers. Again, thank you for the demonstration of my point.