Why can't Israel fight its own wars??

[Dagosa]

/—-/ This is 2026. Come up with some new materials. You’re tiresome.

Why, so you can deny another set of lies like the first ?

 

[Dagosa]

How is there bias in life expectancy?



Well I'm not proposing an NHS, I'm proposing Medicare for All.

Medicare doesn't employ a single doctor.


Well here in the US, mental health benefits are a required part of every insurance plan. That's thanks to Obamacare.

I’d be fine with the public option. Aamof, MAGAs could insure themselves from Trumps winnings…..he’s had so much of them.

 

[Stryder50]

I’m sure the rule of law means nothing to you, but They do for kangaroos…like fat ass Trump.

State of Montana still has a law/rule on their books that every business establishment must have at least one hitching post for horses.
Care to guess how many current businesses comply with that "rule of law" ?

In theory a law should promote the common good/welfare and be applied equally, per statement and implication in the USA Constitution.

When it came following "rule of law" and working with the legislature/Congress, your hero Obama said to effect;
"I have a phone and a pen, who needs to work with Congress (when an E.O. will do)?"

 

[Stryder50]

Trump a kangaroo scam artist was convicted by a jury of his peers. It that’s 12 kangaroos, he’s guilty as charged.

Actually those "peers" were neither successful business persons nor libertarians.
Meanwhile, in case not already presented;

Kangaroo court is an informal pejorative term for a court that ignores recognized standards of law or justice, carries little or no official standing in the territory within which it resides, and is typically convened ad hoc. A kangaroo court may ignore due process and come to a predetermined conclusion. The term is also used for a court held by a legitimate judicial authority, but which intentionally or structurally disregards the court's legal or ethical obligations (compare show trial)

Kangaroo court - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Cellblock2429]

Why, so you can deny another set of lies like the first ?

/----/ Show us the exact quote where Trump said Mexico would send a check to pay for the wall.

Now here is how the closed border is costing Mexico dearly.
Evaluating the financial impact of a "sealed border" requires separating unregulated migration/asylum closures from commercial trade shutdowns, as the two operate on completely different economic scales.

Here is a breakdown of what the data shows regarding how restrictions and closures impact the Mexican economy.

---

1. Migration Restrictions & Asylum Closures​

When the border is restricted primarily in terms of immigration, processing, and asylum seekers—as seen with the strict enforcement policies through 2025 and 2026—the primary financial hit to Mexico comes through a drop in remittances (the money workers in the U.S. send back to family in Mexico).

• The Remittance Drop: According to data analyzed by organizations like the Inter-American Dialogue, heightened immigration enforcement and a sharp drop in new irregular entries led to a roughly $3 billion loss in remittance value during the first full year of tightened policies (representing about a 4% decline compared to previous record highs).
  
  
  
  
• Since remittances are a vital pillar for consumer spending in Mexico, this decline directly impacts local economies, particularly in rural states. However, recent data from early 2026 suggests remittance flows are beginning to stabilize and show minor recovery signs.

2. Theoretical Total Border Shutdown (Commercial & Passenger Trade)​

A completely "sealed" border—meaning a halt to commercial trucks, trains, and legal daily commuters—has not been permanently enacted, but economic models from groups like the Atlantic Council and the U.S. Joint Economic Committee outline the catastrophic costs if trade were actually stopped:

• Daily Trade Disruption: The U.S. and Mexico engage in roughly $1.5 billion to $1.7 billion in cross-border trade every single day. Over 80% of this moves via surface transport (trucks and rail).
• Supply Chain Paralysis: A hard closure would immediately freeze the North American manufacturing ecosystem—especially the automotive, electronics, and agricultural sectors. Mexico is a primary source of intermediate parts for U.S. manufacturing; stopping this flow would trigger an immediate recession in both countries within months.
• Border Crossings & Retail Losses: Legal cross-border travelers and shoppers from Mexico spend billions annually in U.S. border states. When localized closures or severe slowdowns occur (similar to what was experienced during the 2020 pandemic restrictions), Mexican retail sales and agricultural exports (like fresh produce) see multi-million-dollar weekly contractions due to spoilage and a lack of mobility.
• The Impact of Delays: Even minor disruptions matter. Studies show that merely increasing border wait times by 10 minutes cuts millions in economic output monthly and reduces intermediate sales and aggregate demand inside Mexico by roughly 2.4%.

---

Summary​

If the border closure is strictly migration-focused, Mexico's quantifiable losses are primarily tied to a multi-billion-dollar dip in remittance flows and increased local pressure to support stranded migrants.

However, if "sealed" implies a commercial shutdown, Mexico would lose access to its largest export market, halting over $1.5 billion in daily commerce and destabilizing its core formal industries (like auto manufacturing), which are already experiencing a slow-growth period (hovering around 0.8% to 1.3% GDP growth).
Now prove me wrong.

 

[AnOrangeCat]

We measure it differently. We have extensive neo natal care most nations dont and wont count a death until its over 6 months old. There is no uniform measure. We also treat more serious patients. A hospital can have higher death rate because they treat and stage cancer and still be a better hospital then one that doesnt. One major factor bringing down life expectancy is the black homicide rate. Until you have first hand knowledge of how health care works in this and other countries you will have no idea how it works. When the government is in control you pay more and get a lower quality than when a private corporation is running it. Some states tried universal health care and they went broke.
Youre facts are wrong and you have no idea

The bolded is simply not true.

From UNICEF:

Here's the UNICEF Link: https://data.unicef.org/topic/child-survival/neonatal-mortality/

 

[AnOrangeCat]

We measure it differently. We have extensive neo natal care most nations dont and wont count a death until its over 6 months old. There is no uniform measure.

There is, in fact, a uniform measure. It's UNICEF's data. Every single UN country's data is there.

To imply that countries don't count neonatal deaths until they've been alive for six months is also simply not true.

Who told you that? Because when I search for it in Google, I get nothing. Google AI says there may be delays of registration for those deaths, but not that they go unreported.

 

[Hafar1014]

There is, in fact, a uniform measure. It's UNICEF's data. Every single UN country's data is there.

To imply that countries don't count neonatal deaths until they've been alive for six months is also simply not true.

Who told you that? Because when I search for it in Google, I get nothing. Google AI says there may be delays of registration for those deaths, but not that they go unreported.

You dont have clue google isnt an education or real experience

 

[Stryder50]

/----/ Show us the exact quote where Trump said Mexico would send a check to pay for the wall.

Now here is how the closed border is costing Mexico dearly.
Evaluating the financial impact of a "sealed border" requires separating unregulated migration/asylum closures from commercial trade shutdowns, as the two operate on completely different economic scales.

Here is a breakdown of what the data shows regarding how restrictions and closures impact the Mexican economy.

---

1. Migration Restrictions & Asylum Closures​

When the border is restricted primarily in terms of immigration, processing, and asylum seekers—as seen with the strict enforcement policies through 2025 and 2026—the primary financial hit to Mexico comes through a drop in remittances (the money workers in the U.S. send back to family in Mexico).

• The Remittance Drop: According to data analyzed by organizations like the Inter-American Dialogue, heightened immigration enforcement and a sharp drop in new irregular entries led to a roughly $3 billion loss in remittance value during the first full year of tightened policies (representing about a 4% decline compared to previous record highs).
  
  
  
  
• Since remittances are a vital pillar for consumer spending in Mexico, this decline directly impacts local economies, particularly in rural states. However, recent data from early 2026 suggests remittance flows are beginning to stabilize and show minor recovery signs.

2. Theoretical Total Border Shutdown (Commercial & Passenger Trade)​

A completely "sealed" border—meaning a halt to commercial trucks, trains, and legal daily commuters—has not been permanently enacted, but economic models from groups like the Atlantic Council and the U.S. Joint Economic Committee outline the catastrophic costs if trade were actually stopped:

• Daily Trade Disruption: The U.S. and Mexico engage in roughly $1.5 billion to $1.7 billion in cross-border trade every single day. Over 80% of this moves via surface transport (trucks and rail).
• Supply Chain Paralysis: A hard closure would immediately freeze the North American manufacturing ecosystem—especially the automotive, electronics, and agricultural sectors. Mexico is a primary source of intermediate parts for U.S. manufacturing; stopping this flow would trigger an immediate recession in both countries within months.
• Border Crossings & Retail Losses: Legal cross-border travelers and shoppers from Mexico spend billions annually in U.S. border states. When localized closures or severe slowdowns occur (similar to what was experienced during the 2020 pandemic restrictions), Mexican retail sales and agricultural exports (like fresh produce) see multi-million-dollar weekly contractions due to spoilage and a lack of mobility.
• The Impact of Delays: Even minor disruptions matter. Studies show that merely increasing border wait times by 10 minutes cuts millions in economic output monthly and reduces intermediate sales and aggregate demand inside Mexico by roughly 2.4%.

---

Summary​

If the border closure is strictly migration-focused, Mexico's quantifiable losses are primarily tied to a multi-billion-dollar dip in remittance flows and increased local pressure to support stranded migrants.

However, if "sealed" implies a commercial shutdown, Mexico would lose access to its largest export market, halting over $1.5 billion in daily commerce and destabilizing its core formal industries (like auto manufacturing), which are already experiencing a slow-growth period (hovering around 0.8% to 1.3% GDP growth).
Now prove me wrong.

Exactly, all the above.

I'd propose a further measure on the remittances, a tax or surcharge of 25-50% (maybe a sliding scale) on money orders, cashiers checks, and other fund transfers from banks in USA to banks in Mexico. Note that money orders, cashiers checks, and fund transfers are ultimately drawn on a bank and paid through a bank.

 

[AnOrangeCat]

We also treat more serious patients.

All patients get treated because of the Hippocratic Oath. We are not unique in that we treat more serious patients than others, we just happen to have more serious patients because our health outcomes are poor.

A hospital can have higher death rate because they treat and stage cancer and still be a better hospital then one that doesnt.

Right, but all that data is factored together to get our total number. So because one hospital treats cancer and another hospital doesn't, does not affect overall life expectancy for the nation.

One major factor bringing down life expectancy is the black homicide rate

Blame Black people, typical.

The biggest factor that brings down LE for Black people is heart disease, followed by kidney disease. The prevalence of those diseases among Black people proves that our overall health outcomes are determined by poor access to care. That access gets to 100% with Medicare for all.

. Until you have first hand knowledge of how health care works in this and other countries you will have no idea how it works.

I seem to know more about it than you, and all I had to do was Google Fact Check you.

When the government is in control you pay more and get a lower quality than when a private corporation is running it. Some states tried universal health care and they went broke.

Again, the government doesn't employ doctors in Medicare, and they wouldn't in Medicare for All. Medicare reimburses providers. There is no chargemaster for Medicare. The chargemaster is what causes health care costs to be so high because it is collusion between providers and insurance companies so that both can profit at the expense of the patient.

I'm surprised you didn't mention that. Probably because you never heard of it before.

Youre facts are wrong and you have no idea

LOL. I posted UNICEF data, I talked about the chargemaster, I explained Medicare doesn't employ doctors.

Whoever gave you information pulled one over on you.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Exactly, all the above.

I'd propose a further measure on the remittances, a tax or surcharge of 25-50% (maybe a sliding scale) on money orders, cashiers checks, and other fund transfers from banks in USA to banks in Mexico. Note that money orders, cashiers checks, and fund transfers are ultimately drawn on a bank and paid through a bank.

/----/

Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent moves to ‘cut off’ illegal migrants from tax benefits, cross-border money transfers: ‘No place for you in our financial system’​

The Trump administration is working toward cutting illegal migrants off from federal tax benefits and money transfer services, Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent said Friday.

“At [President Trump’s] direction, we are working to cut off federal benefits to illegal aliens and preserve them for U.S. citizens,” Bessent wrote on X.

As part of the effort, the Treasury Department will propose new regulations “clarifying that the refunded portions of certain individual income tax benefits are no longer available to illegal and other non-qualified aliens, covering the Earned Income Tax Credit, the Additional Child Tax Credit, the American Opportunity Tax Credit, and the Saver’s Match Credit,” according to the the Trump administration official.

 

[AnOrangeCat]

You dont have clue google isnt an education or real experience

I'm not going to take your word for it.

I just showed you exactly how you were wrong by linking to UNICEF's data.

You're alleging countries are not counting neo natal deaths within 6 months to...goose the system, I guess? What sense does that make? Wouldn't you want to count those deaths so you can compare to other countries' outcomes? And if UNICEF funding is tied to those rates, which some is, why would you show less or skew the data? What would be the benefit to that?

 

[AnOrangeCat]

I’d be fine with the public option. Aamof, MAGAs could insure themselves from Trumps winnings…..he’s had so much of them.

If the public option is the bridge that gets us to Medicare for All, then I'm OK with that.

 

[Stryder50]

All patients get treated because of the Hippocratic Oath. We are not unique in that we treat more serious patients than others, we just happen to have more serious patients because our health outcomes are poor.


Right, but all that data is factored together to get our total number. So because one hospital treats cancer and another hospital doesn't, does not affect overall life expectancy for the nation.


Blame Black people, typical.

The biggest factor that brings down LE for Black people is heart disease, followed by kidney disease. The prevalence of those diseases among Black people proves that our overall health outcomes are determined by poor access to care. That access gets to 100% with Medicare for all.


I seem to know more about it than you, and all I had to do was Google Fact Check you.


Again, the government doesn't employ doctors in Medicare, and they wouldn't in Medicare for All. Medicare reimburses providers. There is no chargemaster for Medicare. The chargemaster is what causes health care costs to be so high because it is collusion between providers and insurance companies so that both can profit at the expense of the patient.

I'm surprised you didn't mention that. Probably because you never heard of it before.


LOL. I posted UNICEF data, I talked about the chargemaster, I explained Medicare doesn't employ doctors.

Whoever gave you information pulled one over on you.

Clearly you are not on Medicare nor have studied it very well.
Medicare A is rather minimumal and major medical care, partially paid for.

There's a reason for Medicare B, C, & D. (Which is separate insurance coverage and requires the individual to chose and pay for plans.)

How about you display your great wisdom and knowledge on that for the readers here.
............................
As occurs all too often in these discussions, the term "healthcare" is abused and mis-used.

Health Care = 'Care of one's Health', The individual person's actions that affect their health; Such as proper and nutritious diet, not over-eating(gaining weight), regular exercise (aerobic & strength), plenty of rest/sleep, avoid harmful substances and abuse ~ alcohol and drugs, avoid risky behavior such as extreme sports/activities, etc.

Medical Care = What one uses/needs to help prevent disease/illnesses or treat such, as well as treat for injuries, and other conditions that impair one's health. Provided by medical practitioners and institutions, etc.

Medical Insurance = Payment$ into a pool of fund$ with other persons, administered by a business entity (usually an insurance company) in expectation to provide payments for medical care, usually beyond basic exams, treatments, tests, etc. Usually a major portion of such beyond what a patient pays~can afford.

 

[Dagosa]

If the public option is the bridge that gets us to Medicare for All, then I'm OK with that.

It won’t happen as long as Trump is in the WH. Nothing that benefits the middle class he views as slaves, will happen.

 

[Dagosa]

/----/ Show us the exact quote where Trump said Mexico would send a check to pay for the wall.

Now here is how the closed border is costing Mexico dearly.
Evaluating the financial impact of a "sealed border" requires separating unregulated migration/asylum closures from commercial trade shutdowns, as the two operate on completely different economic scales.

Here is a breakdown of what the data shows regarding how restrictions and closures impact the Mexican economy.

---

1. Migration Restrictions & Asylum Closures​

When the border is restricted primarily in terms of immigration, processing, and asylum seekers—as seen with the strict enforcement policies through 2025 and 2026—the primary financial hit to Mexico comes through a drop in remittances (the money workers in the U.S. send back to family in Mexico).

• The Remittance Drop: According to data analyzed by organizations like the Inter-American Dialogue, heightened immigration enforcement and a sharp drop in new irregular entries led to a roughly $3 billion loss in remittance value during the first full year of tightened policies (representing about a 4% decline compared to previous record highs).
  
  
  
  
• Since remittances are a vital pillar for consumer spending in Mexico, this decline directly impacts local economies, particularly in rural states. However, recent data from early 2026 suggests remittance flows are beginning to stabilize and show minor recovery signs.

2. Theoretical Total Border Shutdown (Commercial & Passenger Trade)​

A completely "sealed" border—meaning a halt to commercial trucks, trains, and legal daily commuters—has not been permanently enacted, but economic models from groups like the Atlantic Council and the U.S. Joint Economic Committee outline the catastrophic costs if trade were actually stopped:

• Daily Trade Disruption: The U.S. and Mexico engage in roughly $1.5 billion to $1.7 billion in cross-border trade every single day. Over 80% of this moves via surface transport (trucks and rail).
• Supply Chain Paralysis: A hard closure would immediately freeze the North American manufacturing ecosystem—especially the automotive, electronics, and agricultural sectors. Mexico is a primary source of intermediate parts for U.S. manufacturing; stopping this flow would trigger an immediate recession in both countries within months.
• Border Crossings & Retail Losses: Legal cross-border travelers and shoppers from Mexico spend billions annually in U.S. border states. When localized closures or severe slowdowns occur (similar to what was experienced during the 2020 pandemic restrictions), Mexican retail sales and agricultural exports (like fresh produce) see multi-million-dollar weekly contractions due to spoilage and a lack of mobility.
• The Impact of Delays: Even minor disruptions matter. Studies show that merely increasing border wait times by 10 minutes cuts millions in economic output monthly and reduces intermediate sales and aggregate demand inside Mexico by roughly 2.4%.

---

Summary​

If the border closure is strictly migration-focused, Mexico's quantifiable losses are primarily tied to a multi-billion-dollar dip in remittance flows and increased local pressure to support stranded migrants.

However, if "sealed" implies a commercial shutdown, Mexico would lose access to its largest export market, halting over $1.5 billion in daily commerce and destabilizing its core formal industries (like auto manufacturing), which are already experiencing a slow-growth period (hovering around 0.8% to 1.3% GDP growth).
Now prove me wrong.

Oh, now it’s a check ? That’s funny. So niw you throw the old red herring in there.

/----/ Show us the exact quote where Trump said Mexico would send a check to pay for the wall.

Now here is how the closed border is costing Mexico dearly.
Evaluating the financial impact of a "sealed border" requires separating unregulated migration/asylum closures from commercial trade shutdowns, as the two operate on completely different economic scales.

Here is a breakdown of what the data shows regarding how restrictions and closures impact the Mexican economy.

---

1. Migration Restrictions & Asylum Closures​

When the border is restricted primarily in terms of immigration, processing, and asylum seekers—as seen with the strict enforcement policies through 2025 and 2026—the primary financial hit to Mexico comes through a drop in remittances (the money workers in the U.S. send back to family in Mexico).

• The Remittance Drop: According to data analyzed by organizations like the Inter-American Dialogue, heightened immigration enforcement and a sharp drop in new irregular entries led to a roughly $3 billion loss in remittance value during the first full year of tightened policies (representing about a 4% decline compared to previous record highs).
  
  
  
  
• Since remittances are a vital pillar for consumer spending in Mexico, this decline directly impacts local economies, particularly in rural states. However, recent data from early 2026 suggests remittance flows are beginning to stabilize and show minor recovery signs.

2. Theoretical Total Border Shutdown (Commercial & Passenger Trade)​

A completely "sealed" border—meaning a halt to commercial trucks, trains, and legal daily commuters—has not been permanently enacted, but economic models from groups like the Atlantic Council and the U.S. Joint Economic Committee outline the catastrophic costs if trade were actually stopped:

• Daily Trade Disruption: The U.S. and Mexico engage in roughly $1.5 billion to $1.7 billion in cross-border trade every single day. Over 80% of this moves via surface transport (trucks and rail).
• Supply Chain Paralysis: A hard closure would immediately freeze the North American manufacturing ecosystem—especially the automotive, electronics, and agricultural sectors. Mexico is a primary source of intermediate parts for U.S. manufacturing; stopping this flow would trigger an immediate recession in both countries within months.
• Border Crossings & Retail Losses: Legal cross-border travelers and shoppers from Mexico spend billions annually in U.S. border states. When localized closures or severe slowdowns occur (similar to what was experienced during the 2020 pandemic restrictions), Mexican retail sales and agricultural exports (like fresh produce) see multi-million-dollar weekly contractions due to spoilage and a lack of mobility.
• The Impact of Delays: Even minor disruptions matter. Studies show that merely increasing border wait times by 10 minutes cuts millions in economic output monthly and reduces intermediate sales and aggregate demand inside Mexico by roughly 2.4%.

---

Summary​

If the border closure is strictly migration-focused, Mexico's quantifiable losses are primarily tied to a multi-billion-dollar dip in remittance flows and increased local pressure to support stranded migrants.

However, if "sealed" implies a commercial shutdown, Mexico would lose access to its largest export market, halting over $1.5 billion in daily commerce and destabilizing its core formal industries (like auto manufacturing), which are already experiencing a slow-growth period (hovering around 0.8% to 1.3% GDP growth).
Now prove me wrong.

Babble and blather. Poor soul.

 

[Dagosa]

Actually those "peers" were neither successful business persons nor libertarians.
Meanwhile, in case not already presented;

Kangaroo court is an informal pejorative term for a court that ignores recognized standards of law or justice, carries little or no official standing in the territory within which it resides, and is typically convened ad hoc. A kangaroo court may ignore due process and come to a predetermined conclusion. The term is also used for a court held by a legitimate judicial authority, but which intentionally or structurally disregards the court's legal or ethical obligations (compare show trial)

Kangaroo court - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Are you having fun ?

 

[Cellblock2429]

Oh, now it’s a check ? That’s funny. So niw you throw the old red herring in there.


Babble and blather. Poor soul.

/-----/ You can't prove how Trump meant Mexico would pay for the wall. What were you expecting other than a check?

I showed how Mexico is losing money with a closed border. Your best response was "Babble and blather." Poor soul. How pathetic. Either you can back up your claims or you can't.

 

[Dagosa]

/----/

Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent moves to ‘cut off’ illegal migrants from tax benefits, cross-border money transfers: ‘No place for you in our financial system’​

The Trump administration is working toward cutting illegal migrants off from federal tax benefits and money transfer services, Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent said Friday.

“At [President Trump’s] direction, we are working to cut off federal benefits to illegal aliens and preserve them for U.S. citizens,” Bessent wrote on X.

As part of the effort, the Treasury Department will propose new regulations “clarifying that the refunded portions of certain individual income tax benefits are no longer available to illegal and other non-qualified aliens, covering the Earned Income Tax Credit, the Additional Child Tax Credit, the American Opportunity Tax Credit, and the Saver’s Match Credit,” according to the the Trump administration official.

Doge ? Devised and executed by a self confessed drug addict.

 

[Dagosa]

/-----/ You can't prove how Trump meant Mexico would pay for the wall. What were you expecting other than a check?

I showed how Mexico is losing money with a closed border. Your best response was "Babble and blather." Poor soul. How pathetic. Either you can back up your claims or you can't.

huh? There is no wall. And, Mexico didn’t pay for it.
You know, a big beautiful wall.