Why can't Israel fight its own wars??

[AnOrangeCat]

The NHS costs more and gives less so much for your point.

Gives less compared to what?

Because their health outcomes are better than ours.

 

[Hafar1014]

Gives less compared to what?

Because their health outcomes are better than ours.

Americas health care is far above the UK which is broke and cost the people even more. People die waiting for care, there is no mental health for children their outcomes are not better. Im involved in both systems and know them both well. You have no idea how healthcare works, Even in America the government programs dont work Obama care Medicare and Medicaid. They are all full of fraud, are broke, Medicare covers only 50% of your bill you have to by a private supplement.

 

[AnOrangeCat]

Americas health care is far above the UK which is broke and cost the people even more.

How? All our outcomes are worse.

People die waiting for care, there is no mental health for children their outcomes are not better

What do you think uninsured people do when they can't get care?

What outcomes are you talking about when it comes to children?

. Im involved in both systems and know them both well.

So you say. But without the data, just feels like you're making it up as you go.

ou have no idea how healthcare works, Even in America the government programs dont work Obama care Medicare and Medicaid.

Medicare has the highest patient satisfaction of any type of insurance, with the exception of the VA. KFF does those surveys every year and every year, Medicare and the VA are tops.

They are all full of fraud, are broke, Medicare covers only 50% of your bill you have to by a private supplement.

No they aren't. Not to any dramatic extent. And when people do defraud it, they get caught.

Medicare covers 80%, not 50%. From Google AI and Medicare.gov:

Original Medicare (specifically Part B) generally covers 80% of Medicare-approved medical costs, leaving you responsible for the remaining 20% coinsurance. Because Original Medicare lacks an out-of-pocket maximum, many beneficiaries take additional steps to cover that 20% gap. Full Dual Eligibility plans cover both Medicare Parts A&B and Medicaid. Those are Medicare Advantage plans, and Medicare advantage plans must have the same or better coverage as Medicare.

You say you've worked in health care but it doesn't sound like you really did.

 

[Hafar1014]

How? All our outcomes are worse.


What do you think uninsured people do when they can get care?

What outcomes are you talking about when it comes to children?


So you say. But without the data, just feels like you're making it up as you go.



Medicare has the highest patient satisfaction of any type of insurance, with the exception of the VA. KFF does those surveys every year and every year, Medicare and the VA are tops.


No they aren't. Not to any dramatic extent. And when people do defraud it, they get caught.

Medicare covers 80%, not 50%. From Google AI and Medicare.gov:

Original Medicare (specifically Part B) generally covers 80% of Medicare-approved medical costs, leaving you responsible for the remaining 20% coinsurance. Because Original Medicare lacks an out-of-pocket maximum, many beneficiaries take additional steps to cover that 20% gap.

You dont know anything about health care. I worked in 4 hospitals and trained therapists in England. Google isnt an education and is often wrong and does have a bias.
I have spoken first hand to Drs in England who find some children waiting over a year to get seen.
If you ever look at a Medicare bill you will typically see the fee 1000.00 approved 400 paid 250.
You dont know what your talking about

https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/insight-and-analysis/press-releases/startling-collapse-nhs-satisfaction-pandemic

The British public are deeply unhappy with the National Health Service – just 1 in 5 people (21%) in 2024 said they were satisfied with the way the NHS runs. That’s according to analysis of the latest British Social Attitudes (BSA) survey published today by the Nuffield Trust and The King’s Fund. Satisfaction has plummeted by 39 percentage points since the months before the pandemic.

6 in 10 people (59%) said they were ‘very’ or ‘quite’ dissatisfied with the NHS in 2024, a sharp rise from 52% in 2023. This is the highest level of dissatisfaction with the health service since the survey began in 1983. The survey, carried out by the National Centre for Social Research (NatCen) in September and October 2024, is seen as a gold-standard measure of public attitudes in Britain.
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Shrinking the state: The fate of the NHS and social care - PMC

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[AnOrangeCat]

You dont know anything about health care. I worked in 4 hospitals and trained therapists in England. Google isnt an education and is often wrong and does have a bias.
I have spoken first hand to Drs in England who find some children waiting over a year to get seen.
If you ever look at a Medicare bill you will typically see the fee 1000.00 approved 400 paid 250.
You dont know what your talking about

https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/insight-and-analysis/press-releases/startling-collapse-nhs-satisfaction-pandemic

The British public are deeply unhappy with the National Health Service – just 1 in 5 people (21%) in 2024 said they were satisfied with the way the NHS runs. That’s according to analysis of the latest British Social Attitudes (BSA) survey published today by the Nuffield Trust and The King’s Fund. Satisfaction has plummeted by 39 percentage points since the months before the pandemic.

6 in 10 people (59%) said they were ‘very’ or ‘quite’ dissatisfied with the NHS in 2024, a sharp rise from 52% in 2023. This is the highest level of dissatisfaction with the health service since the survey began in 1983. The survey, carried out by the National Centre for Social Research (NatCen) in September and October 2024, is seen as a gold-standard measure of public attitudes in Britain.
================================================================

Shrinking the state: The fate of the NHS and social care - PMC

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Hold on, hold on...you said that Medicare covers 50% of the cost, and that's wrong. It's 80% of the cost.

Full Dual Eligibility plans cover both Medicare Parts A&B and Medicaid. Those are Medicare Advantage plans, and Medicare advantage plans must have the same or better coverage as Medicare.

NHS surveys show low patient satisfaction, but the NHS isn't what Medicare is. Medicare has high patient satisfaction, so that's the program that would be expanded.

 

[Crepitus]

Biden waged war on oil by suppressing production keeping it below demand driving up the price of gas. The plan was to force us to buy EV cars. How did that work out. we got 9% inflation, 5 dollar a gallon gas. Pure stupidity

Where did you hear that outrageous lie?

 

[Hafar1014]

Where did you hear that outrageous lie?

From Joe Biden

 

[Hafar1014]

Hold on, hold on...you said that Medicare covers 50% of the cost, and that's wrong. It's 80% of the cost.

Full Dual Eligibility plans cover both Medicare Parts A&B and Medicaid. Those are Medicare Advantage plans, and Medicare advantage plans must have the same or better coverage as Medicare.

NHS surveys show low patient satisfaction, but the NHS isn't what Medicare is. Medicare has high patient satisfaction, so that's the program that would be expanded.

Its even less. Didnt I explain what the statement looks like
The DR bills 900.00 Medicare allows 500.00 they reimburse 350.00.
Im satisfied with my Medicare and the extra supplement I have to pay for It only works because the supplement pays for what medeicare doesnt.

The NHS cant compare to Medicare. Its total health care plan that is in serious trouble.

 

[AnOrangeCat]

Its even less. Didnt I explain what the statement looks like

You didn't, but it doesn't matter because everyone knows that they cover 80% and then Medicare Advantage plans typically cover the remaining 20% cost.

From Medicare.gov:

Yes, Medicare Advantage plans (Part C) cover the remaining 20% of Part B costs, but instead of the unlimited coinsurance found in Original Medicare, they charge structured copayments, deductibles, and coinsurance. All plans include a yearly out-of-pocket maximum to protect you from catastrophic healthcare expenses.

 

[AnOrangeCat]

The DR bills 900.00 Medicare allows 500.00 they reimburse 350.00.

Your math doesn't math.

$500 + $350 = $850

Medicare would cover $720, and either the patient, Medigap, or Medicare Advantage would cover the remaining $180.

Im satisfied with my Medicare and the extra supplement I have to pay for It only works because the supplement pays for what medeicare doesnt.

Right, Medigap does that, but so does Medicare Advantage.

Neither affect patient outcomes.

The NHS cant compare to Medicare. Its total health care plan that is in serious trouble.

Right, which is why I said it's Medicare, not the NHS.

 

[Hafar1014]

Your math doesn't math.

$500 + $350 = $850

Medicare would cover $720, and either the patient, Medigap, or Medicare Advantage would cover the remaining $180.




Right, Medigap does that, but so does Medicare Advantage.

Neither affect patient outcomes.



Right, which is why I said it's Medicare, not the NHS.

You missed a step. Medicare pays a portion of what they allow. Its three steps not two

 

[AnOrangeCat]

You missed a step. Medicare pays a portion of what they allow. Its three steps not two

Yeah, 80%. Like Medicare.gov says.

Also, this isn't on subject here, so we should probably move this conversation to a health care thread.

 

[Crepitus]

From Joe Biden

Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure you did, lol.

 

[teddyearp]

Well I'm not proposing communism, so...

Because they have nothing to do with a single payer health care system.


The UK, Canada, most of Europe, Japan, South Korea, Australia, Israel, New Zealand, Mexico, Cuba.

All those countries (and more) have single payer systems focused on outcomes. That's why the US ranks so low in most health metrics including life expectancy, which is the ultimate outcome.


I don't believe you get it. I don't think you approach things intellectually. I think you approach things with emotion, and it makes you shrill.

A & B). What are you proposing? And funny, this started with you proposing the takeover (full) of our Energy sector by the .gov.
C). See Hafar1014 post on UK and other countries health care results in post #356.
D). I do get it. I approach things intellectually, but maybe I get a bit passionate about what I find, hence making you think I'm shrill. Perhaps I do get a bit emotional about it, but I am not ruled by them.

 

[toobfreak]

Why can't Israel fight its own wars??​

What country other than the USA fights its own wars? Does China fight its own wars? No, they use proxies and subterfuge. Does Russia? Nope, they are getting help from China and N. Korea. Does Ukraine? Nope, they get help from the USA and EU. Does Iran? Nope, they get help from Russia, China, Oman, and elsewhere. So why must Israel fight its own wars when it is smaller and more attacked?

Every time the State of Israel gets into a armed conflict - be it a skirmish or full-blown war, America is always expected to step in and lend a hand.

We lent a hand in WWI. We lent a hand in WWII. We lent a hand in Korea. We lent a hand in Vietnam. We had help in the Iraqi War. That is what we do, we help out wherever we think democracy and American interests are served best.

 

[Hafar1014]

A & B). What are you proposing? And funny, this started with you proposing the takeover (full) of our Energy sector by the .gov.
C). See Hafar1014 post on UK and other countries health care results in post #356.
D). I do get it. I approach things intellectually, but maybe I get a bit passionate about what I find, hence making you think I'm shrill. Perhaps I do get a bit emotional about it, but I am not ruled by them.

The US has the best healthcare in the world. The so called tests are all biased to favor national healthcare by nations that have it. But when you actually know how it works and how much it costs no American would tolerate it. I am well informed regarding the NHS in England Scotland and Ireland. Its not a success financially, unsound, Drs are leaving to work in private healthcare fir the wealthy so they dont have to wait for months and years for treatment. Acute emergencies are treated right away. If you need a knee replacement youll wait 6 months and be in pain getting worse. Mental healthcare is poor and wont cover minors.

 

[AnOrangeCat]

A & B). What are you proposing?

Simply expanding Medicare access to everyone. It could even be called Medicare Part-E (E for everyone).

And funny, this started with you proposing the takeover (full) of our Energy sector by the .gov.

This is the way.

C). See Hafar1014 post on UK and other countries health care results in post #356.

I have seen those and when it comes to the ultimate outcome, life expectancy, we rank below nearly all of them.

D). I do get it. I approach things intellectually, but maybe I get a bit passionate about what I find, hence making you think I'm shrill. Perhaps I do get a bit emotional about it, but I am not ruled by them.

Fair enough. All good. No worries.

 

[AnOrangeCat]

The US has the best healthcare in the world.

Then how come our life expectancy is lower than nearly every other First World country, including Israel?

 

[AnOrangeCat]

The so called tests are all biased to favor national healthcare by nations that have it.

How is there bias in life expectancy?

But when you actually know how it works and how much it costs no American would tolerate it. I am well informed regarding the NHS in England Scotland and Ireland. Its not a success financially, unsound, Drs are leaving to work in private healthcare fir the wealthy so they dont have to wait for months and years for treatment.

Well I'm not proposing an NHS, I'm proposing Medicare for All.

Medicare doesn't employ a single doctor.

Acute emergencies are treated right away. If you need a knee replacement youll wait 6 months and be in pain getting worse. Mental healthcare is poor and wont cover minors.

Well here in the US, mental health benefits are a required part of every insurance plan. That's thanks to Obamacare.

 

[Hafar1014]

Then how come our life expectancy is lower than nearly every other First World country, including Israel?

Then how come our life expectancy is lower than nearly every other First World country, including Israel?

We measure it differently. We have extensive neo natal care most nations dont and wont count a death until its over 6 months old. There is no uniform measure. We also treat more serious patients. A hospital can have higher death rate because they treat and stage cancer and still be a better hospital then one that doesnt. One major factor bringing down life expectancy is the black homicide rate. Until you have first hand knowledge of how health care works in this and other countries you will have no idea how it works. When the government is in control you pay more and get a lower quality than when a private corporation is running it. Some states tried universal health care and they went broke.
Youre facts are wrong and you have no idea