Why are we so divided?

[EdwardBaiamonte]

We have been divided longer than Row vs Wade lol
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Yes Plato and Aristotle were divided about freedom versus govt, so were Republicans and Federalists in 1792, and so are Republicans and Democrats now. Indeed, all of human history has been nothing more than the battle between freedom and govt.

 

[Dan Stubbs]

It's a very serious question that puzzles many serious people. The answer is simple, but painful.

One could say that it started with Roe v. Wade. In basic terms, the acceptability of abortion was at stake, and resolution required action by the Peoples' representatives in Congress and/or the state legislatures. And some of them were working on the issue. Congress, of course, avoided the subject like Kryptonite. So the USSC foolishly took the issue on, and "legislated" an ambiguous and intellectually interesting framework, based on one justice's medical readings. And 44 years later we are still fighting about it.

But in a real way, the Court shoved the "Liberal" position down America's throat. The majority of Americans, then and now, believe that abortion is morally evil, perhaps the taking of a human life, but "we" have never actually been heard on the subject.

Consider the death penalty. A strong majority of the American population would support a REAL death penalty - one by which our most egregious criminals could be convicted and promptly dispatched. But the Left has, by manipulation of the courts and the entire criminal justice system, made the DP so difficult, time consuming, and futile, that most people have given up on the issue.

Gay "marriage"? Strong majorities in virtually every state wanted no part of this new institution. But the courts (Leftist jurists) snatched the issue out of the hands of the Peoples' representatives, finding a preposterous right to marry someone of the same gender in the Constitution!

Public benefits and "Constitutional" rights for illegals? Done by Leftist courts with zero support from either the People or the legislatures. U.S Courts have for years been thwarting every effort to take our own immigration laws seriously, in the name of protecting their so-called "Constitutional" rights!

Are you picking up the pattern here? The Left in this country has for many decades been implementing it's broad agenda through anti-Constitutional means, perpetually lacking majority support, or sufficient strength in the legislatures to implement their desired agenda.

Look at how the "global warming agenda" has been thrust down our collective throat. The EPA, with no congressional authorization whatever, declares that CO2 is a "harmful pollutant." Thus an agency GIVES ITSELF the power to impose crippling regulations on industry, transportation, and power generation. When did the American people or their representatives have a chance to vote on this monumental development?

The list goes on and on. The Left feels positively ENTITLED to continue implementing it's agenda through extra - Constitutional means, and those of us who believe in the Constitution and the rule of law are supposed to accept it without complaint.

Yeah, we are pissed at the Left, and that is not going to change anytime soon,

I goes back almost after it was signed people did not like certain section of it and tried to have them over turned but the courts have usurped the powers of law making from the States and Congress by inventing law by nitpicking and adding words like "intent of the lawmakers" who wrote the law. The Democrats who controls the gov, just set by because this was the way that they could get laws pass or put on to the books without being involved.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

It's a very serious question that puzzles many serious people. The answer is simple, but painful.

One could say that it started with Roe v. Wade. In basic terms, the acceptability of abortion was at stake, and resolution required action by the Peoples' representatives in Congress and/or the state legislatures. And some of them were working on the issue. Congress, of course, avoided the subject like Kryptonite. So the USSC foolishly took the issue on, and "legislated" an ambiguous and intellectually interesting framework, based on one justice's medical readings. And 44 years later we are still fighting about it.

But in a real way, the Court shoved the "Liberal" position down America's throat. The majority of Americans, then and now, believe that abortion is morally evil, perhaps the taking of a human life, but "we" have never actually been heard on the subject.

Consider the death penalty. A strong majority of the American population would support a REAL death penalty - one by which our most egregious criminals could be convicted and promptly dispatched. But the Left has, by manipulation of the courts and the entire criminal justice system, made the DP so difficult, time consuming, and futile, that most people have given up on the issue.

Gay "marriage"? Strong majorities in virtually every state wanted no part of this new institution. But the courts (Leftist jurists) snatched the issue out of the hands of the Peoples' representatives, finding a preposterous right to marry someone of the same gender in the Constitution!

Public benefits and "Constitutional" rights for illegals? Done by Leftist courts with zero support from either the People or the legislatures. U.S Courts have for years been thwarting every effort to take our own immigration laws seriously, in the name of protecting their so-called "Constitutional" rights!

Are you picking up the pattern here? The Left in this country has for many decades been implementing it's broad agenda through anti-Constitutional means, perpetually lacking majority support, or sufficient strength in the legislatures to implement their desired agenda.

Look at how the "global warming agenda" has been thrust down our collective throat. The EPA, with no congressional authorization whatever, declares that CO2 is a "harmful pollutant." Thus an agency GIVES ITSELF the power to impose crippling regulations on industry, transportation, and power generation. When did the American people or their representatives have a chance to vote on this monumental development?

The list goes on and on. The Left feels positively ENTITLED to continue implementing it's agenda through extra - Constitutional means, and those of us who believe in the Constitution and the rule of law are supposed to accept it without complaint.

Yeah, we are pissed at the Left, and that is not going to change anytime soon,

I goes back almost after it was signed people did not like certain section of it and tried to have them over turned but the courts have usurped the powers of law making from the States and Congress by inventing law by nitpicking and adding words like "intent of the lawmakers" who wrote the law. The Democrats who controls the gov, just set by because this was the way that they could get laws pass or put on to the books without being involved.

It goes back forever. Some people will always try to leech off of other people and some people will want to feel wonderful by orchestrating the leaching.

 

[anotherlife]

It's a very serious question that puzzles many serious people. The answer is simple, but painful.

One could say that it started with Roe v. Wade. In basic terms, the acceptability of abortion was at stake, and resolution required action by the Peoples' representatives in Congress and/or the state legislatures. And some of them were working on the issue. Congress, of course, avoided the subject like Kryptonite. So the USSC foolishly took the issue on, and "legislated" an ambiguous and intellectually interesting framework, based on one justice's medical readings. And 44 years later we are still fighting about it.

But in a real way, the Court shoved the "Liberal" position down America's throat. The majority of Americans, then and now, believe that abortion is morally evil, perhaps the taking of a human life, but "we" have never actually been heard on the subject.

Consider the death penalty. A strong majority of the American population would support a REAL death penalty - one by which our most egregious criminals could be convicted and promptly dispatched. But the Left has, by manipulation of the courts and the entire criminal justice system, made the DP so difficult, time consuming, and futile, that most people have given up on the issue.

Gay "marriage"? Strong majorities in virtually every state wanted no part of this new institution. But the courts (Leftist jurists) snatched the issue out of the hands of the Peoples' representatives, finding a preposterous right to marry someone of the same gender in the Constitution!

Public benefits and "Constitutional" rights for illegals? Done by Leftist courts with zero support from either the People or the legislatures. U.S Courts have for years been thwarting every effort to take our own immigration laws seriously, in the name of protecting their so-called "Constitutional" rights!

Are you picking up the pattern here? The Left in this country has for many decades been implementing it's broad agenda through anti-Constitutional means, perpetually lacking majority support, or sufficient strength in the legislatures to implement their desired agenda.

Look at how the "global warming agenda" has been thrust down our collective throat. The EPA, with no congressional authorization whatever, declares that CO2 is a "harmful pollutant." Thus an agency GIVES ITSELF the power to impose crippling regulations on industry, transportation, and power generation. When did the American people or their representatives have a chance to vote on this monumental development?

The list goes on and on. The Left feels positively ENTITLED to continue implementing it's agenda through extra - Constitutional means, and those of us who believe in the Constitution and the rule of law are supposed to accept it without complaint.

Yeah, we are pissed at the Left, and that is not going to change anytime soon,

How about this. America is divided because of the implosion of the middle class.

But to go on your list one by one.
1. Abortion is a non issue and conservatives play into the hands of leftists with it.
2. Death penalty should be brought back, but America has only the prison services industry which is not yet outsourced.
3. Gay marriage is a huge benefit bonanza, both employer sponsored healthcare and taxation and retirement.
4. Benefits for illegals is the price of locking onto power.
5. Global warming is to be a brand new security / bond market.

You are witnessing the birth of an array of new American industries, and the birth of a new America.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

America is divided because of the implosion of the middle class.

yes its imploded thanks to liberal regulation, taxes, and unions that drove 20 million jobs off shore, 30 million liberal illegals invited in to take our jobs and bid down wages did not help.
Plus thanks must go to the liberal war on our schools, families, religion, that has rendered many unfit for middle class jobs.

 

[anotherlife]

America is divided because of the implosion of the middle class.

yes its imploded thanks to liberal regulation, taxes, and unions that drove 20 million jobs off shore, 30 million liberal illegals invited in to take our jobs and bid down wages did not help.
Plus thanks must go to the liberal war on our schools, families, religion, that has rendered many unfit for middle class jobs.

I would like to add the US and international currency manipulation, which is the strongest factor in this problem.

 

[Mac1958]

It's a very serious question that puzzles many serious people. The answer is simple, but painful.

One could say that it started with Roe v. Wade. In basic terms, the acceptability of abortion was at stake, and resolution required action by the Peoples' representatives in Congress and/or the state legislatures. And some of them were working on the issue. Congress, of course, avoided the subject like Kryptonite. So the USSC foolishly took the issue on, and "legislated" an ambiguous and intellectually interesting framework, based on one justice's medical readings. And 44 years later we are still fighting about it.

But in a real way, the Court shoved the "Liberal" position down America's throat. The majority of Americans, then and now, believe that abortion is morally evil, perhaps the taking of a human life, but "we" have never actually been heard on the subject.

Consider the death penalty. A strong majority of the American population would support a REAL death penalty - one by which our most egregious criminals could be convicted and promptly dispatched. But the Left has, by manipulation of the courts and the entire criminal justice system, made the DP so difficult, time consuming, and futile, that most people have given up on the issue.

Gay "marriage"? Strong majorities in virtually every state wanted no part of this new institution. But the courts (Leftist jurists) snatched the issue out of the hands of the Peoples' representatives, finding a preposterous right to marry someone of the same gender in the Constitution!

Public benefits and "Constitutional" rights for illegals? Done by Leftist courts with zero support from either the People or the legislatures. U.S Courts have for years been thwarting every effort to take our own immigration laws seriously, in the name of protecting their so-called "Constitutional" rights!

Are you picking up the pattern here? The Left in this country has for many decades been implementing it's broad agenda through anti-Constitutional means, perpetually lacking majority support, or sufficient strength in the legislatures to implement their desired agenda.

Look at how the "global warming agenda" has been thrust down our collective throat. The EPA, with no congressional authorization whatever, declares that CO2 is a "harmful pollutant." Thus an agency GIVES ITSELF the power to impose crippling regulations on industry, transportation, and power generation. When did the American people or their representatives have a chance to vote on this monumental development?

The list goes on and on. The Left feels positively ENTITLED to continue implementing it's agenda through extra - Constitutional means, and those of us who believe in the Constitution and the rule of law are supposed to accept it without complaint.

Yeah, we are pissed at the Left, and that is not going to change anytime soon,

We're so divided because we're cursed with two groups whose influence continues to increase:

First, the division pimps on both ends of the spectrum who have a vested professional interest in keeping their flocks angry and pointing the finger at the other.

Second, their flocks, who allow themselves to be swallowed by the political ideology of their particular tribe, which makes them blind, dishonest and incurious.

These groups represent a minority of the country -- most prefer to think more for themselves -- but their anger and energy control the conversation, sadly.
.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

We're so divided because we're cursed with two groups whose influence continues to increase:
.

First, the libsocialist leeches

Second, the conservative/libertarian workers.

Thomas Jefferson:
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

I would like to add the US and international currency manipulation, which is the strongest factor in this problem.

you've brought up economics a subject for which a liberal lacks the IQ.
In short, a store or country can set its price or manipulate its currency how ever it wants but you don't buy unless it improves your standard of living more than any other purchase you might make anywhere in the world. Thus currency manipulation offers buyer or seller no advantage.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

It's a very serious question that puzzles many serious people. The answer is simple, but painful.

One could say that it started with Roe v. Wade. In basic terms, the acceptability of abortion was at stake, and resolution required action by the Peoples' representatives in Congress and/or the state legislatures. And some of them were working on the issue. Congress, of course, avoided the subject like Kryptonite. So the USSC foolishly took the issue on, and "legislated" an ambiguous and intellectually interesting framework, based on one justice's medical readings. And 44 years later we are still fighting about it.

But in a real way, the Court shoved the "Liberal" position down America's throat. The majority of Americans, then and now, believe that abortion is morally evil, perhaps the taking of a human life, but "we" have never actually been heard on the subject.

Consider the death penalty. A strong majority of the American population would support a REAL death penalty - one by which our most egregious criminals could be convicted and promptly dispatched. But the Left has, by manipulation of the courts and the entire criminal justice system, made the DP so difficult, time consuming, and futile, that most people have given up on the issue.

Gay "marriage"? Strong majorities in virtually every state wanted no part of this new institution. But the courts (Leftist jurists) snatched the issue out of the hands of the Peoples' representatives, finding a preposterous right to marry someone of the same gender in the Constitution!

Public benefits and "Constitutional" rights for illegals? Done by Leftist courts with zero support from either the People or the legislatures. U.S Courts have for years been thwarting every effort to take our own immigration laws seriously, in the name of protecting their so-called "Constitutional" rights!

Are you picking up the pattern here? The Left in this country has for many decades been implementing it's broad agenda through anti-Constitutional means, perpetually lacking majority support, or sufficient strength in the legislatures to implement their desired agenda.

Look at how the "global warming agenda" has been thrust down our collective throat. The EPA, with no congressional authorization whatever, declares that CO2 is a "harmful pollutant." Thus an agency GIVES ITSELF the power to impose crippling regulations on industry, transportation, and power generation. When did the American people or their representatives have a chance to vote on this monumental development?

The list goes on and on. The Left feels positively ENTITLED to continue implementing it's agenda through extra - Constitutional means, and those of us who believe in the Constitution and the rule of law are supposed to accept it without complaint.

Yeah, we are pissed at the Left, and that is not going to change anytime soon,

I goes back almost after it was signed people did not like certain section of it and tried to have them over turned but the courts have usurped the powers of law making from the States and Congress by inventing law by nitpicking and adding words like "intent of the lawmakers" who wrote the law. The Democrats who controls the gov, just set by because this was the way that they could get laws pass or put on to the books without being involved.

A Sacred Cow for Their Golden Calf

Free men don't need a Constitutional overlord on their laws. Constitutionarians treat that anti-democratic manifesto like fundamentalists treat the Bible. Their claim that the Constitution is not being followed is very weak; they keep making excuses in order to enslave us to a political theocracy, in which their Masters are the infallible Politburo.

. Their "wise stewards" need to be skewered. The main tyranny of that document is that we, the people, are not allowed to vote on the issues. We need a tribune to challenge special-interest legislation, not on meaningless Constitutional grounds, but because he believes it will be overridden by a national referendum. The Constitution excluded us from direct political power, so it's time we exclude it and overthrow the ruling class's "republic."

 

[anotherlife]

I would like to add the US and international currency manipulation, which is the strongest factor in this problem.

you've brought up economics a subject for which a liberal lacks the IQ.
In short, a store or country can set its price or manipulate its currency how ever it wants but you don't buy unless it improves your standard of living more than any other purchase you might make anywhere in the world. Thus currency manipulation offers buyer or seller no advantage.

Currency valuation determines the value of your work and the size of your national labor market. That way you don't have the decision power to buy or not to buy. And it also determines the national political spectrum, in this fashion.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

I would like to add the US and international currency manipulation, which is the strongest factor in this problem.

you've brought up economics a subject for which a liberal lacks the IQ.
In short, a store or country can set its price or manipulate its currency how ever it wants but you don't buy unless it improves your standard of living more than any other purchase you might make anywhere in the world. Thus currency manipulation offers buyer or seller no advantage.

Currency valuation determines the value of your work and the size of your national labor market. That way you don't have the decision power to buy or not to buy. And it also determines the national political spectrum, in this fashion.

so???? every nation values its currency. This does not make a nation richer or poorer.

 

[anotherlife]

I would like to add the US and international currency manipulation, which is the strongest factor in this problem.

you've brought up economics a subject for which a liberal lacks the IQ.
In short, a store or country can set its price or manipulate its currency how ever it wants but you don't buy unless it improves your standard of living more than any other purchase you might make anywhere in the world. Thus currency manipulation offers buyer or seller no advantage.

Currency valuation determines the value of your work and the size of your national labor market. That way you don't have the decision power to buy or not to buy. And it also determines the national political spectrum, in this fashion.

so???? every nation values its currency. This does not make a nation richer or poorer.

Yes it does.

 

[The Derp]

We are divided along ideological lines only because one half of that divide accepts facts and the other half does not.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

so???? every nation values its currency. This does not make a nation richer or poorer.

Yes it does.[/QUOTE]

who knew so why don't all nations manipulate their currencies and get rich?? It seems 10000% easier than actually developing industries that have the best products in the world!! Who needs a silicon valley or auto industry when you can just manipulate your currency??[/QUOTE]

 

[task0778]

We are divided in large part because we have 2 major political parties and both of them have put their power ahead of our well-being. Too many politicians have put their own careers before their ethics and integrity and the media are bought and paid for. Used to be (or so I thought) that journalism was an honorable profession; no more. And so here we are, the American public trying to make sense of all this and getting conflicting reports and analysis. Who do you trust? Nobody. We're not divided about that.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

We are divided in large part because we have 2 major political parties and both of them have put their power ahead of our well-being. t.

wrong, when Republicans have power our well being is served. Democrats attacked and destroyed our families schools religion health care and workers. Do you understand?

 

[IsaacNewton]

It's a very serious question that puzzles many serious people. The answer is simple, but painful.

One could say that it started with Roe v. Wade. In basic terms, the acceptability of abortion was at stake, and resolution required action by the Peoples' representatives in Congress and/or the state legislatures. And some of them were working on the issue. Congress, of course, avoided the subject like Kryptonite. So the USSC foolishly took the issue on, and "legislated" an ambiguous and intellectually interesting framework, based on one justice's medical readings. And 44 years later we are still fighting about it.

But in a real way, the Court shoved the "Liberal" position down America's throat. The majority of Americans, then and now, believe that abortion is morally evil, perhaps the taking of a human life, but "we" have never actually been heard on the subject.

Consider the death penalty. A strong majority of the American population would support a REAL death penalty - one by which our most egregious criminals could be convicted and promptly dispatched. But the Left has, by manipulation of the courts and the entire criminal justice system, made the DP so difficult, time consuming, and futile, that most people have given up on the issue.

Gay "marriage"? Strong majorities in virtually every state wanted no part of this new institution. But the courts (Leftist jurists) snatched the issue out of the hands of the Peoples' representatives, finding a preposterous right to marry someone of the same gender in the Constitution!

Public benefits and "Constitutional" rights for illegals? Done by Leftist courts with zero support from either the People or the legislatures. U.S Courts have for years been thwarting every effort to take our own immigration laws seriously, in the name of protecting their so-called "Constitutional" rights!

Are you picking up the pattern here? The Left in this country has for many decades been implementing it's broad agenda through anti-Constitutional means, perpetually lacking majority support, or sufficient strength in the legislatures to implement their desired agenda.

Look at how the "global warming agenda" has been thrust down our collective throat. The EPA, with no congressional authorization whatever, declares that CO2 is a "harmful pollutant." Thus an agency GIVES ITSELF the power to impose crippling regulations on industry, transportation, and power generation. When did the American people or their representatives have a chance to vote on this monumental development?

The list goes on and on. The Left feels positively ENTITLED to continue implementing it's agenda through extra - Constitutional means, and those of us who believe in the Constitution and the rule of law are supposed to accept it without complaint.

Yeah, we are pissed at the Left, and that is not going to change anytime soon,

The entire court system is in the Constitution and it is an equal branch of government to the Executive and the Congress. Nothing is 'anti-Constitutional' about their decisions. Your entire premise is debunked. A Republic isn't mob rule, it doesn't function as a system to enforce the will of the majority.

Most of the country would like to keep abortion legal and most think gay marriage is fine. Global Warming is only political to conservatives. To everyone else it is science that was settled 15 years ago and debate in the scientific community ended.

What we do see is Republicans are constantly looking at ways to take away the rights of human beings and groups they don't 'approve' of. They believe their feelings or their religion should be the guiding force in the society.

The 'divide' you see is the one talk radio and Faux News has drilled into your head. Conservative media couches everything they don't like as 'evil'. Not just as another opinion, but as evil. And you people hear this over and over until you believe it. You don't think for yourselves anymore.

 

[task0778]

We are divided in large part because we have 2 major political parties and both of them have put their power ahead of our well-being. t.

wrong, when Republicans have power our well being is served. Democrats attacked and destroyed our families schools religion health care and workers. Do you understand?

If that were true about the GOP then why haven't they repealed and replaced ObamaCare yet? And we should have had the tax reform bill done by summer IMHO.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

If that were true about the GOP then why haven't they repealed and replaced ObamaCare yet?

right now country seems to be for Obamacare so repeal would be political suicide. 1+1=2. Do you understand?