Why are we so afraid to admit the obvious?

[edward37]

The Obvious
On Friday’s broadcast of “Real Time,” Maher said this was the week it started “moving a little faster”— with President Donald Trump’s appointment of his “personal protector” Matthew Whitaker as acting attorney general.

Maher then reviewed his 2017 “dictator checklist” to make his point:

“You are a narcissist who likes to see his name and face on buildings. You appoint family members to positions of power. You hold rallies even when you’re not running, and they are scary. You talk about jailing the press and political opponents.

I don't take Maher seriously, given he is just as likely to embrace the same Islamophobic horseshit that Trump panders to.

The problem here isn't Trump, the problem is that too many of us are pretending this is fine.

The hell with Maher What about the list and what it proves? What part isn't true? Now the moron is out bashing the French President There is a sickness in our WH and Republicans have shut their eyes

 

[skookerasbil]

Given the spate of recent violence, the board is understandably abuzz with threads and comments about who is to "blame". And of course, each end is essentially putting 100% of the blame on the other end. Each end is laying out a long list of examples of violence, rhetoric and incitement by the other end.

Guess what? They're both right. Facts are facts.

I have a great deal of respect for the power of ideology. It can make people say and do insane things. It can absolutely blind a person to the obvious. But is it so strong that we'd rather see this country burn down than challenge our own tribe to stop the madness?

When the hate is flowing from both ends like water from a fire hose, does it really matter which end is "worse"?

What is so terrifying about just admitting the obvious?
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Lol.....the level of division cant go high enough for many. Capitalism and socialism are not compatible. Doy....of course the level of dischord is only going to become more pronounced. The far left has taken over the Democrat part. Its fascinating to me that people are surprised by this.

I want Antifa to become more radical. Hoping other radical left organizations emerge. In the short run, the pushback will force the left to hit the reset button. Watch. Social media is about to become highly instructive!

Limpwrister guys like JoeB will be walking the streets wrapped in an American flag to pick up his takeout Chinese!

 

[Correll]

The Obvious
On Friday’s broadcast of “Real Time,” Maher said this was the week it started “moving a little faster”— with President Donald Trump’s appointment of his “personal protector” Matthew Whitaker as acting attorney general.

Maher then reviewed his 2017 “dictator checklist” to make his point:

“You are a narcissist who likes to see his name and face on buildings. You appoint family members to positions of power. You hold rallies even when you’re not running, and they are scary. You talk about jailing the press and political opponents.

I don't take Maher seriously, given he is just as likely to embrace the same Islamophobic horseshit that Trump panders to.

The problem here isn't Trump, the problem is that too many of us are pretending this is fine.

The hell with Maher What about the list and what it proves? What part isn't true? Now the moron is out bashing the French President There is a sickness in our WH and Republicans have shut their eyes

Don't you mean the French President is bashing the US, and Trump is calling him on his bullshit?

 

[JoeB131]

Don't you mean the French President is bashing the US, and Trump is calling him on his bullshit?

No, we don't mean that at all... KKKorrell... but keep drinking the...

 

[Mac1958]

Given the spate of recent violence, the board is understandably abuzz with threads and comments about who is to "blame". And of course, each end is essentially putting 100% of the blame on the other end. Each end is laying out a long list of examples of violence, rhetoric and incitement by the other end.

Guess what? They're both right. Facts are facts.

I have a great deal of respect for the power of ideology. It can make people say and do insane things. It can absolutely blind a person to the obvious. But is it so strong that we'd rather see this country burn down than challenge our own tribe to stop the madness?

When the hate is flowing from both ends like water from a fire hose, does it really matter which end is "worse"?

What is so terrifying about just admitting the obvious?
.

Lol.....the level of division cant go high enough for many. Capitalism and socialism are not compatible. Doy....of course the level of dischord is only going to become more pronounced. The far left has taken over the Democrat part. Its fascinating to me that people are surprised by this.

I want Antifa to become more radical. Hoping other radical left organizations emerge. In the short run, the pushback will force the left to hit the reset button. Watch. Social media is about to become highly instructive!

Limpwrister guys like JoeB will be walking the streets wrapped in an American flag to pick up his takeout Chinese!

But it's not one or the other. It's not capitalism or socialism. The level of government involvement exists on a continuum.

The key is in finding the proper equilibrium between the two.

Unfortunately, that would require communication, collaboration and innovation, skills we no longer possess.
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[there4eyeM]

All these forms of deranged materialism degrade and condemn humanity.

 

[JoeB131]

But it's not one or the other. It's not capitalism or socialism. The level of government involvement exists on a continuum.

The key is in finding the proper equilibrium between the two.

Unfortunately, that would require communication, collaboration and innovation, skills we no longer possess.

Truly, we need Stormy Mac to lead us in the wisdom of cooperation..

Oh, lead us out of the wilderness, Stormy Mac.

 

[DOTR]

Given the spate of recent violence, the board is understandably abuzz with threads and comments about who is to "blame". And of course, each end is essentially putting 100% of the blame on the other end. Each end is laying out a long list of examples of violence, rhetoric and incitement by the other end.

Guess what? They're both right. Facts are facts.

I have a great deal of respect for the power of ideology. It can make people say and do insane things. It can absolutely blind a person to the obvious. But is it so strong that we'd rather see this country burn down than challenge our own tribe to stop the madness?

When the hate is flowing from both ends like water from a fire hose, does it really matter which end is "worse"?

What is so terrifying about just admitting the obvious?
.

Lol.....the level of division cant go high enough for many. Capitalism and socialism are not compatible. Doy....of course the level of dischord is only going to become more pronounced. The far left has taken over the Democrat part. Its fascinating to me that people are surprised by this.

I want Antifa to become more radical. Hoping other radical left organizations emerge. In the short run, the pushback will force the left to hit the reset button. Watch. Social media is about to become highly instructive!

Limpwrister guys like JoeB will be walking the streets wrapped in an American flag to pick up his takeout Chinese!

But it's not one or the other. It's not capitalism or socialism. The level of government involvement exists on a continuum.

The key is in finding the proper equilibrium between the two.

Unfortunately, that would require communication, collaboration and innovation, skills we no longer possess.
.

And you no longer have an interest in trying to find out why we don't have the skills anymore?

I have said it a thousand times...our problems are not political. You know it yourself or you wouldn't have put it in terms of "skills". But have you completely abandoned the search for a resolution just to chase the pleasant siren song fallacy "argument to moderation"?

 

[Mac1958]

Given the spate of recent violence, the board is understandably abuzz with threads and comments about who is to "blame". And of course, each end is essentially putting 100% of the blame on the other end. Each end is laying out a long list of examples of violence, rhetoric and incitement by the other end.

Guess what? They're both right. Facts are facts.

I have a great deal of respect for the power of ideology. It can make people say and do insane things. It can absolutely blind a person to the obvious. But is it so strong that we'd rather see this country burn down than challenge our own tribe to stop the madness?

When the hate is flowing from both ends like water from a fire hose, does it really matter which end is "worse"?

What is so terrifying about just admitting the obvious?
.

Lol.....the level of division cant go high enough for many. Capitalism and socialism are not compatible. Doy....of course the level of dischord is only going to become more pronounced. The far left has taken over the Democrat part. Its fascinating to me that people are surprised by this.

I want Antifa to become more radical. Hoping other radical left organizations emerge. In the short run, the pushback will force the left to hit the reset button. Watch. Social media is about to become highly instructive!

Limpwrister guys like JoeB will be walking the streets wrapped in an American flag to pick up his takeout Chinese!

But it's not one or the other. It's not capitalism or socialism. The level of government involvement exists on a continuum.

The key is in finding the proper equilibrium between the two.

Unfortunately, that would require communication, collaboration and innovation, skills we no longer possess.
.

And you no longer have an interest in trying to find out why we don't have the skills anymore?

I have said it a thousand times...our problems are not political. You know it yourself or you wouldn't have put it in terms of "skills". But have you completely abandoned the search for a resolution just to chase the pleasant siren song fallacy "argument to moderation"?

Of course I have an interest. I think our problems are cultural, and are reflected in our politics, among many other things.
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[DOTR]

Of course I have an interest. I think our problems are cultural, and are reflected in our politics, among many other things.
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Thats a start. We can agree on the cultural problems. So... to drag you along a little farther...you see no connection between the attacks on and attempted destruction of our culture and the increasing problems which you put off to "lacking skills"?

 

[DOTR]

Don't you mean the French President is bashing the US, and Trump is calling him on his bullshit?

No, we don't mean that at all... KKKorrell... but keep drinking the...


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He means he will take a Frenchman attacking the US over an American president any day of the week.

 

[Mac1958]

Of course I have an interest. I think our problems are cultural, and are reflected in our politics, among many other things.

Thats a start. We can agree on the cultural problems. So... to drag you along a little farther...you see no connection between the attacks on and attempted destruction of our culture and the increasing problems which you put off to "lacking skills"?

I do, in that our behaviors are cultural at their foundation. And we are CHOOSING to act this way. We like to pretend that the "other side" is "making" us, but that is simply dishonest and weak. We simply bind ourselves to our tribes, they defend and enable these behaviors, and that's that.

I recently read a piece that rings true to me: It has been so long since we behaved like decent adults, since we communicated and collaborated and innovated, that we have literally lost those skills. That those skills are essentially like muscles, use it or lose it.

That's what I mean by "lacking skills", and yes, that's cultural, too.
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[JoeB131]

He means he will take a Frenchman attacking the US over an American president any day of the week.

Not my President. The American People said "No". they said "No" a little louder last week.

I'm sure you showed the same respect for the presidency when Obama was there after being legitimately elected.

 

[JoeB131]

I do, in that our behaviors are cultural at their foundation. And we are CHOOSING to act this way. We like to pretend that the "other side" is "making" us, but that is simply dishonest and weak. We simply bind ourselves to our tribes, they defend and enable these behaviors, and that's that.

I recently read a piece that rings true to me: It has been so long since we behaved like decent adults, since we communicated and collaborated and innovated, that we have literally lost those skills. That they are like muscles, use it or lose it.

That's what I mean by "lacking skills", and yes, that's cultural, too.

Does little Stormy Mac need a safe space?

 

[Billo_Really]

Given the spate of recent violence, the board is understandably abuzz with threads and comments about who is to "blame". And of course, each end is essentially putting 100% of the blame on the other end. Each end is laying out a long list of examples of violence, rhetoric and incitement by the other end.

Guess what? They're both right. Facts are facts.

I have a great deal of respect for the power of ideology. It can make people say and do insane things. It can absolutely blind a person to the obvious. But is it so strong that we'd rather see this country burn down than challenge our own tribe to stop the madness?

When the hate is flowing from both ends like water from a fire hose, does it really matter which end is "worse"?

What is so terrifying about just admitting the obvious?
.

Listen dude, I'm a kind, sensitive person, who cares about the feelings of others, you asshole!

 

[Toro]

This thread just demonstrates that the ratio of crazy people to normal people is much higher on USMB than the general population at large.

 

[Mac1958]

This thread just demonstrates that the ratio of crazy people to normal people is much higher on USMB than the general population at large.

I dunno. I used to think that, but I also think that ratio is decreasing.
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[Toro]

This thread just demonstrates that the ratio of crazy people to normal people is much higher on USMB than the general population at large.

I dunno. I used to think that, but I also think that ratio is decreasing.
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The Internet provides a platform for all the loons that otherwise would be shunned by normal society.

Of course, given that something like 40% of Republicans once thought that Obama was or may have been born in Kenya, maybe you’re right.

 

[peach174]

Given the spate of recent violence, the board is understandably abuzz with threads and comments about who is to "blame". And of course, each end is essentially putting 100% of the blame on the other end. Each end is laying out a long list of examples of violence, rhetoric and incitement by the other end.

Guess what? They're both right. Facts are facts.

I have a great deal of respect for the power of ideology. It can make people say and do insane things. It can absolutely blind a person to the obvious. But is it so strong that we'd rather see this country burn down than challenge our own tribe to stop the madness?

When the hate is flowing from both ends like water from a fire hose, does it really matter which end is "worse"?

What is so terrifying about just admitting the obvious?
.

Because one side is practicing violence and only condemns one side.....the other side (mine) condemns violence from anyone and does not promote it. so to fix the problem, you need to stop promoting violence and start condemning anyone who does it.....it's pretty clear who needs to do that (not my side, they already do that)

Both sides promote violence, so you have failed to see the truth.

Really?
Do you have any links to Republican political organizations out in the streets rioting and smashing things , yelling at congress members and disrupting hearings like the Democratic organizations are doing?

 

[Mac1958]

This thread just demonstrates that the ratio of crazy people to normal people is much higher on USMB than the general population at large.

I dunno. I used to think that, but I also think that ratio is decreasing.

The Internet provides a platform for all the loons that otherwise would be shunned by normal society.Of course, given that something like 40% of Republicans once thought that Obama was or may have been born in Kenya, maybe you’re right.

Yep. And two other things:

Look at how politics have seeped into our popular culture. You can't escape it, even in "entertainment" venues.

Second, and this is admittedly anecdotal, I'm seeing it more and more in "real life". More and more, when the subject of taxes or any government spending comes up with clients, I'm seeing people launch off into these angry, seemingly rehearsed tirades. It's madness. There's nothing I can say. So I let them get it out of their system and we then move on.

It's like this madness is in our water now.

IT'S THE RUSSIANS I TELL YOU
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