Why are the LibTarian / Third Party platforms so bad that they can’t find a viable candidate to run against a couple 80 year olds?

[Failzero]

Elections have consequences

 

[dblack]

Elections have consequences

Coining that phrase was perhaps Obama's worst offense.

 

[YoursTruly]

Ranked voting best represents the voters and their numbers.

I'd support RCV for the primaries. But not the general election.

 

[BrokeLoser]

What does race have to do with this?

Race has everything to do with it. Core Americans WERE White and core Americans were conditioned/taught (by their fathers and grandfathers) the importance of fiscal responsibility, of self sufficiency, of law and order, of a less intrusive government. Do you think little Humberto in Lost Angeles, who’s growing up in an illegal household is being taught those core principles?
Chip Roy explains it to you globalists….

“Democrats can’t win in a nation teaching Western civilization, in a nation teaching kids to believe in America and in our Constitution.

‘Roy later said he has heard comments from other lawmakers, including Republicans, that America is a "nation of immigrants," adding they are correct in that nearly 50 million Americans are foreign-born.

"That puts us at about 15% of the population, which is as high as it's ever been in our history. Of those folks, they've got about 16 to 20 million kids. We're not teaching our kids Western civilization. We're not teaching our kids to believe in the Constitution and believe in America. We are not actually forming a capitalistic system where people are coming here for hard work," Roy warned.’

"We're building up a socialist system with a big safety net that is about to break, and all of us who are working hard and the hard-working people out there, they're going to lose what they inherited from their ancestors in this great country."

Chip Roy on skipping GOP border visit: Republicans need to 'put up or shut up' | Fox News​

Rep. Chip Roy, R-Texas, sounded off on continued inaction from the federal level in regard to the open border crisis harming Texas on "The Story."

www.foxnews.com

Can you name a single instance where MORE government has lead to MORE freedom?

NOPE…but you globalists have imported a new American who NEEDS more government.

Golfing Gator
dblack

 

[BrokeLoser]

I am not selling anything to anyone, I am merely stating the facts.

The fact is…you are trying to pitch a platform that is only attractive to 1950’s White America…one that can’t be sold to the unaccountable, irresponsible, Godless, taxpayer dependent, immoral, indecent, uncivilized, lawless American you’ve imported.

You vote for the very things you complain about.

I vote for the best candidate with a chance to win…like all sane people do.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Race has everything to do with it. Core Americans WERE White and core Americans were conditioned/taught (by their fathers and grandfathers) the importance of fiscal responsibility, of self sufficiency, of law and order, of a less intrusive government. Do you think little Humberto in Lost Angeles, who’s growing up in an illegal household is being taught those core principles?
Chip Roy explains it to you globalists….

“Democrats can’t win in a nation teaching Western civilization, in a nation teaching kids to believe in America and in our Constitution.

‘Roy later said he has heard comments from other lawmakers, including Republicans, that America is a "nation of immigrants," adding they are correct in that nearly 50 million Americans are foreign-born.

"That puts us at about 15% of the population, which is as high as it's ever been in our history. Of those folks, they've got about 16 to 20 million kids. We're not teaching our kids Western civilization. We're not teaching our kids to believe in the Constitution and believe in America. We are not actually forming a capitalistic system where people are coming here for hard work," Roy warned.’

"We're building up a socialist system with a big safety net that is about to break, and all of us who are working hard and the hard-working people out there, they're going to lose what they inherited from their ancestors in this great country."

Chip Roy on skipping GOP border visit: Republicans need to 'put up or shut up' | Fox News​

Rep. Chip Roy, R-Texas, sounded off on continued inaction from the federal level in regard to the open border crisis harming Texas on "The Story."

www.foxnews.com

NOPE…but you globalists have imported a new American who NEEDS more government.

Golfing Gator
dblack

yet you are the one that keeps voting for it

 

[Harpy Eagle]

The fact is…you are trying to pitch a platform that is only attractive to 1950’s White America…

which must be why you hate it so very much

 

[dblack]

I'd support RCV for the primaries. But not the general election.

Why not?

 

[dblack]

I vote for the best candidate with a chance to win…like all sane people do.

So, if the polls say Trump has no chance, you'll vote Biden?? Weird. Sane?

 

[YoursTruly]

I vote for the best candidate with a chance to win…like all sane people do.

That's not really doing the country any good, when those who have a chance of winning are big spending, big government politicians.

We've all heard the cliché' that we have to play the hand we're dealt. Keeping in mind that that's just a cliché. And it's not our civic duty to vote for anyone that's bad. Even if the other candidate is worse.

That's the basis for insanity. Hoping for change within the GOP is a dead end road now days. Because they're not the party of fiscal responsibility. Which is what got us into the problem we're in now. That includes the immigration problem. Because immigration can be tied to the USD woes, when you consider why a LOT of immigrants come here because they can make as much in one day, as it takes them 2 weeks to earn in their home country.

 

[YoursTruly]

Why not?

Question: Would there be one candidate from each party on the ballot? And say if there was an R, D and L candidate, and we voted for our 1st, 2nd and 3rd choices?

I can see how that would work.

P.S. I'm just learning about this. I never paid it much attention, because the R & D's would never allow it. And there's no way to force it on them. So it's been kind of a nothing burger for me. But I'm trying to figure it out.

 

[JWBooth]

BINGO! You just nailed it.
See, you globalists have manifested and fostered a new American, one who can’t give two-fucks about our founding principles, values and moral order…one who barely knows what the Constitution is….one with less ambition and desire to achieve, to do better, to be better…one with no standards and no expectations.
What you have is a new American who NEEDS government, one who NEEDS free shit, one who will behave like the uncivilized savage they are without government keeping them in check at every turn…you globalist have exactly what you’ve manifested. You have imported too many cultures…too many who don’t see the value in freedom, in liberty, in a less intrusive government.
You have what you built and now you want to govern like you’re governing over a white 1950’s real, core American…IT CAN’T WORK!!
You fucked yourselves with your retarded “we love everyone, everyone is welcome” bullshit.
As I’ve said before…Americans, by and large are ignorant dumbfucks who can’t and won’t get out of their own way.
Enjoy and embrace what you’ve built…OWN IT!

dblack
Couchpotato
pknopp
JWBooth

Since your shoes don’t shine, we have seen enough evidence that you don’t know the difference.

 

[dblack]

Question: Would there be one candidate from each party on the ballot?

That depends on the party, I suppose. But, unlike plurality voting, it wouldn't impact the results because there's no "vote-splitting" or "spoiler effect".

And say if there was an R, D and L candidate, and we voted for our 1st, 2nd and 3rd choices?

There could be any number of choices. It has no bearing on the outcome.

RCV is just an automated version of runoff elections - like several states use already. You essentially pre-vote for any runoffs (via your rankings), so we don't have to mess around with voting again and again. Votes are counted in "rounds". If no one has a majority after a round, the bottom candidate is removed, and the votes are counted again. The voters who voted for the candidate removed will use their second place vote (or their highest ranked candidate still remaining on their list).

I can see how that would work.

P.S. I'm just learning about this. I never paid it much attention, because the R & D's would never allow it. And there's no way to force it on them. So it's been kind of a nothing burger for me. But I'm trying to figure it out.

It's growing as a grass roots movement.

 

[YoursTruly]

That depends on the party, I suppose. But, unlike plurality voting, it wouldn't impact the results because theirs no "vote-splitting" or "spoiler effect".

There could be any number of choices. It has no bearing on the outcome.

RCV is just an automated version of runoff elections - like several states use already. You essentially pre-vote for any runoff elections, so we don't have to mess around with voting again and again. Votes are counted in "rounds". If no one has a majority after a round, the bottom candidate is removed, and the votes are counted again. The voters who voted for the candidate removed will use their second place vote (or their highest ranked candidate still remaining).

It's growing as a grass roots movement.

I'm talking about in the general election. After most have been cast off the ballot from lack of votes. Getting to the final day of voting, having only 3 left. An R, a D and an L.

I didn't like the Republican, or the democrat. But I did like the libertarian.
So my #1 would be the libertarian. #2 would be the republican. And 3 would be the democrat.
Lot's of folks would be R 1st. L 2nd and D 3rd. Some would put the D 1st.

At the end of the day, the L would become president. Most people wouldn't get their first choice. But they wouldn't get stuck with their worst choice either.

 

[YoursTruly]

The fact is…you are trying to pitch a platform that is only attractive to 1950’s White America…

You mean back when the country was actually great? The USD was strong. The economy was booming. New industries were popping up all over the country. When we were the manufacturing giant of the world.

OH THE HORROR!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[dblack]

I'm talking about in the general election. After most have been cast off the ballot from lack of votes. Getting to the final day of voting, having only 3 left. An R, a D and an L.

I didn't like the Republican, or the democrat. But I did like the libertarian.
So my #1 would be the libertarian. #2 would be the republican. And 3 would be the democrat.
Lot's of folks would be R 1st. L 2nd and D 3rd. Some would put the D 1st.

At the end of the day, the L would become president. Most people wouldn't get their first choice. But they wouldn't get stuck with their worst choice either.

That's more or less it. I still don't think Libertarians would win - but there would be accurate reading of how much of the electorate actually supports their policies. We do polling all the time that shows 20+% would prefer a libertarian, but at the polls they cave and vote D/R because they fall for the LO2E conceit. RCV does away with that, so people can vote for their actually favorites as their first choice and that preference will be recorded. Even if it doesn't change the outcome of the election, it registers the preferences of those voters, which will guide future candidates who want those votes.

 

[YoursTruly]

That's more or less it. I still don't think Libertarians would win - but there would be accurate reading of how much of the electorate actually supports their policies. We do polling all the time that shows 20+% would prefer a libertarian, but at the polls they cave and vote D/R because they fall for the LO2E conceit. RCV does away with that, so people can vote for their actually favorites as their first choice and that preference will be recorded. Even if it doesn't change the outcome of the election, it registers the preferences of those voters, which will guide future candidates who want those votes.

I see what you mean. I'm thinking of something else. Out of a choice of 3, the people would vote for only 2.
the one they like the most and their 2nd choice.
Republicans would vote for R and L's. Democrats would vote for D's and L's. When all the votes are counted, the L's would win hands down, because they'd get votes from both R & D's.

I don't many republicans 2nd choice would be a democrat. And visa versa.

 

[dblack]

I see what you mean. I'm thinking of something else. Out of a choice of 3, the people would vote for only 2.
the one they like the most and their 2nd choice.
Republicans would vote for R and L's. Democrats would vote for D's and L's. When all the votes are counted, the L's would win hands down, because they'd get votes from both R & D's.

I don't many republicans 2nd choice would be a democrat. And visa versa.

I'm not really looking at RCV as a way to bolster third parties. It's just means of making our elections more geared to consensus. Plurality voting rewards divisiveness and promotes fear-mongering.

 

[YoursTruly]

I'm not really looking at RCV as a way to bolster third parties. It's just means of making our elections more geared to consensus. Plurality voting rewards divisiveness and promotes fear-mongering.

I'm all for doing anything to knock this duopoly on it's butt.

 

[dblack]

I'm all for doing anything to knock this duopoly on it's butt.

It might not do that. But it would change the dynamic. It would encourage candidates to avoid alienating large swaths of voters (because second place votes matter, and last place votes hurt).

A more likely scenario is that that major parties see minor parties scoring big chunks of first-round votes, and adapt their platforms to attract those voters - a good thing.