Why Are So Many Jews Leaving Israel?
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georgephillip
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I'll stick with authentic thinkers instead of your mythologized messiahs, Marg.
"Eliyahu HaNavi, Elijah the Prophet, was one of the greatest prophets of Jewish History and Jewish Legend. He lived in the period after Yeravam ben Nevat, who caused the Jewish Kingdom to be split into the Kingdom of Israel and the Kingdom of Yehuda, when the First Temple stood, but the People of Israel was sunk in the depths of idol-worship. His main antagonists were King Achav (Ahab) and his wife Queen Izevel (Jezebel), and his major disciple was the Prophet "
Are you capable of comprehending the difference between religious legend and 21st Century prophecy (truth telling)?
Judaism 101 - Eliyahu HaNavi - A Glossary of Basic Jewish Terms and Concepts - OU.ORG
When I was a kid, my parents would put out a glass of wine after the Passover Seder was finished, and they told me that tomorrow morning, there will only be half a glass of wine , because Eliyahoo Ha Navi would come in the middle of the night to drink it.
Sure enough, when I came to check on the glass in the morning, someone had drank from it !!
Of course, when I grew up, I found out it was my dad who drank from it to make it look like Eliyahoo Ha Navi came to my house to drink the wine
It was like a kid finding out that Santa Claus doesn't exist
Sure enough, when I came to check on the glass in the morning, someone had drank from it !!
Of course, when I grew up, I found out it was my dad who drank from it to make it look like Eliyahoo Ha Navi came to my house to drink the wine
It was like a kid finding out that Santa Claus doesn't exist
georgephillip
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I remember that feeling, Toast.When I was a kid, my parents would put out a glass of wine after the Passover Seder was finished, and they told me that tomorrow morning, there will only be half a glass of wine , because Eliyahoo Ha Navi would come in the middle of the night to drink it.
Sure enough, when I came to check on the glass in the morning, someone had drank from it !!
Of course, when I grew up, I found out it was my dad who drank from it to make it look like Eliyahoo Ha Navi came to my house to drink the wine
It was like a kid finding out that Santa Claus doesn't exist
How did you separate the historical thinker from his Legend?
"Soon afterward, he performs a miracle for a widow and her son who are on the brink of starvation, causing their supplies of flour and oil to become limitless. But tragedy strikes, and the widowÂ’s son dies. Eliyahu prays for the life of the child to be restored, and HaShem responds positively to his prayer."
Judaism 101 - Eliyahu HaNavi - A Glossary of Basic Jewish Terms and Concepts - OU.ORG
docmauser1
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Indeed, our honorable georgephillip's drivelers are very much authentic like Mario Lavandeira.
georgephillip
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Inquiring minds want to know if Herr Drivel's historical preferences lean toward Henrik Verwoerd or David Ben-Gurion?
"In 1961, the South African prime minister, and the architect of South Africa's apartheid policies, Hendrik Verwoerd, dismissed an Israeli vote against South African apartheid at the United Nations, saying that 'Israel is not consistent in its new anti-apartheid attitude... they took Israel away from the Arabs after the Arabs lived there for a thousand years. In that, I agree with them. Israel, like South Africa, is an apartheid state.'[22]
"Since then, a number of sources have used the apartheid analogy in their examination of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
"In 1967, after the Six Days War, David Ben-Gurion stated that unless Israel managed to 'rid itself of the territories and their Arab population as soon as possible,' it would become an apartheid state."
Israel and the apartheid analogy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Au contraire, it's a very much legit one, of course!
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Who's Ben Gurian?
georgephillip
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David's evil twin.
Which did you vote for?
docmauser1
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Drivel.
georgephillip
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How do you say "skunk" in Hebrew?
"Back on 6 March 2013 the Middle East Monitor reported that 'Israeli forces have sprayed Palestinian homes in the village of Nabi Saleh with Skunk as a punishment for organizing weekly protests against the Apartheid Wall built on occupied land.
"Human rights watchdog B’Tselem published a video showing Israel’s armored tanker trucks fitted with 'water canons' [spraying] the foul fluid.”
"Skunk is a fluid so offensive smelling that people automatically retreat from anywhere or anyone doused with it.
"This is not the first time the Israelis have used such noxious tactics.
"Zionist settlers are fond of diverting the sewage from their illegal settlements, which are usually placed on high ground, into the fields and towns of Palestinians living in the valleys below. This is apparently done with the knowledge and approval of the Israeli state."
Something is Rotten in the State of Israel » CounterPunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names
Apparently, it's not the stinky Jews who are leaving Israel.
If they can't buy 'em out, they'll stink 'em out.
Cool.
Cool.
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"According to the Palestinian Water Authority, the settlement of Ariel has been pumping its sewage directly into the nearby Palestinian village of Bruqin, creating a dangerous and unhealthy situation for the residents of Bruqin..."
"Ariel is the largest Israeli settlement in the West Bank, housing around 40,000 Israelis. Israeli officials have said that they will retain Ariel through any negotiations with the Palestinian Authority, despite the acknowledged fact that Ariel, like all Israeli settlements in the West Bank, is in direct violation of international law and the Fourth Geneva Convention.
"Israeli sewage dumping on Palestinian land is common, and Israel controls 80% of the water in the West Bank, despite the fact that it is on Palestinian land."
Ariel settlement dumps sewage on Palestinian town - International Middle East Media Center
Not hard to see why their god loves Jews, is it?
"Ariel is the largest Israeli settlement in the West Bank, housing around 40,000 Israelis. Israeli officials have said that they will retain Ariel through any negotiations with the Palestinian Authority, despite the acknowledged fact that Ariel, like all Israeli settlements in the West Bank, is in direct violation of international law and the Fourth Geneva Convention.
"Israeli sewage dumping on Palestinian land is common, and Israel controls 80% of the water in the West Bank, despite the fact that it is on Palestinian land."
Ariel settlement dumps sewage on Palestinian town - International Middle East Media Center
Not hard to see why their god loves Jews, is it?
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A three and a half year old link from a dubious source. Typical!
High_Gravity
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How come Israel is a first world nation but the rest of the countries in the region are third world shit holes?
bianco
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like all Israeli settlements in the West Bank, is in direct violation of international law and the Fourth Geneva Convention.
That's bad.
No wonder Palestinians are outraged.
Israel sometimes does itself no favours.
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March 6, 2009 by Steven Stotsky
The Independent Refuses to Correct Flawed Column on West Bank Sewage
The Independent, a British newspaper, has firmly established its reputation over the years as a relentless critic of Israel. It has long featured Robert Fisk, whose lively writings are laced with imaginary Israeli crimes, like his bizarre claim that Israel used "a secret new uranium-based weapon" in Lebanon (later found to be baseless by a UN investigation team), and doctored quotes by Israeli leaders to impugn their motives. In recent years, the newspaper has featured another Israel basher with a similar flair and imagination — Johann Hari. Like Fisk, Hari employs flawed portrayals and doctored quotes to cultivate the theme of Israel abusing Palestinians.
A case in point is Hari's column entitled "Israel is Suppressing a Secret it Must Face" published on April 28, 2008, where he suggested that Israel is deliberately contaminating Palestinian water. He wrote that:
Across the occupied West Bank, raw untreated sewage is pumped every day out of the Jewish settlements, along large metal pipes, straight onto Palestinian land. From there, it can enter the groundwater and the reservoirs and become a poison.
In fact, published studies demonstrate that it is the Palestinians who are mainly responsible for contaminating the water. Palestinian sources are responsible for 95 percent of all untreated waste in the West Bank, yet the remaining five percent from Jewish settlements receives all of Hari's approbation.
It seems rigorous fact-checking is not part of Hari's skill set. Not only did he misrepresent the facts about untreated waste in his column, but in a subsequent article, "The loathsome smearing of Israel's critics" (May 8, 2008), which was spurred by criticisms of his column, he falsely accused CAMERA of calling him "an anti-Jewish bigot akin to Joseph Goebbels and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad....."
When CAMERA wrote a letter to The Independent requesting a correction of both the errors in his column on untreated waste and the subsequent smear, the paper's Executive Editor, Louise Hayman, stonewalled, justifying her refusal to correct factual errors by stating, "there is no legal, regulatory or ethical requirement on The Independent that every article should be balanced, or even fair." Apparently, there is also no requirement to be factually accurate.
She claimed that this was not an isolated incident by citing reports in the Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz, which she described as Israel's most distinguished newspaper — a highly subjective opinion — and the BBC.
CAMERA responded to her anecdotal defense by providing unequivocal data showing that the raw sewage problem in the West Bank was overwhelmingly of Palestinian origin. Confronted with these facts, Ms. Hayman fell back upon the primacy of The Independent's political narrative which holds Israel as an illegal occupier.
In her final response to CAMERA, Ms. Hayman stated:
Johann Hari's column chose to focus on the untreated sewage emanating from the settlements he believes "there is a qualitiative difference between Israeli settlements, constructed illegally, pumping untreated sewage towards the occupied population, and a collapsing Palestinian Authority being unable to treat its own sewage partly because it exists under military occupation."
A columnist — who is clearly flagged up to readers as writing an opinionated take on the news — is perfectly within his rights to do this. The facts he offered were accurate; his opinions and choice of emphasis are his own, as any reader can see, and as they should be for an op-ed writer.
According to her logic, only Israeli settlers deserve approbation for polluting the land since, in The Independent's opinion, the settlements are illegal. And Israel's military occupation absolves the Palestinian Authority of any responsibility to provide adequate sewage treatment. Despite the billions in aid provided by foreign donors, the Palestinian Authority has made limited investment in sanitation infrastructure. Nevertheless, the Independent condemns Jewish settlements alone for the problem.
Hari Ignores the Findings of Several Environmental Studies in Order to Blame Israel
Hari's allegation that Jewish settlers are responsible for contaminating West Bank land contradicts not only the statements of Israeli regulators, but the findings of an independent environmental group, Friends of the Earth Middle East (FoEME), which indicates that Palestinians are the primary culprits in generating raw sewage and contaminating water supplies with untreated waste. Hari's disproportionate focus on Jewish settlements as the problem defies logic, considering the much larger Palestinian population in the West Bank.
In typical fashion, Hari selectively cited a single figure culled from a 2005 study by FoEME claiming that only six percent of Jewish settlements treated their sewage properly. What he neglected to mention, however, is that the figures were based on a survey of only about half of the existing settlements, many of which had already begun to implement treatment processes but were deemed inadequate by FoEME. The other settlements had not been evaluated. Another report by the Israeli Water Commission found 70 percent was adequately treated.
But even the critical FoEME report provides figures showing that more than three quarters of all the waste water in the West Bank is generated by Palestinians who, for the most part, employ no treatment for their waste water. On page four and in its conclusion summary, the report identifies unsanitary cesspits from uphill Palestinian villages as the source of fecal coliforms in water sources. On page five, further detail is provided, calculating that 61 percent of the Palestinian population dispose of their sewage in unlined cesspits amounting to some 46 million cubic meters of waste water. Israeli settlements produce 15 million cubic meters. A table on page six reiterates the figures and contrasts the "partial treatment" of sewage by Israeli settlements to "none or unsatisfactory" treatment by Palestinian locales. An addenda to the report states, "Sewage from most Palestinian cities and villages receives no treatment at all."
The report's conclusion states:
The Palestinian Authority has openly stated that water supply projects should take precedence over sewage projects. While sewage treatment projects are largely on hold, many infrastructure projects (particularly on water supply) have continued to move forward on the West Bank.
The Palestinian Authority has until very recently refused to accept the standards of sewage treatment upon which Israel has insisted.
No honest reading of the FoEME report could conclude that the problem lies predominately with the Jewish settlements.
More recent studies indicate a much higher water treatment rate for Israeli settlements. For example, the 2007 Monitoring Report of the Rivers of Judea and Samaria released by the environmental unit of the Nature and Parks Protection Authority gave precise figures:
94 % of Palestinian waste is untreated or improperly treated, 4.5 % is treated in Israel, 1.5 % is treated on the West Bank.
68.5 % of sewage from Israeli settlements is treated in Israel or the West Bank, 31.5 % is not properly treated.
Palestinians generate 56 million cubic feet of sewage, Jewish settlements 17.5 million cubic feet.
The Authority's September 2008 monitoring report indicates that Jewish settlements are responsible for only five percent of untreated or improperly treated wastewater, in contrast to the Palestinians who generate 95 percent.
CAMERA was able to identify the specific location Hari wrote about. It is a Palestinian town, Salfit, located near the Israeli city of Ariel. A CAMERA representative met with Ariel officials. What he learned and observed firsthand is not consistent with Hari's account. Ariel has sewage lines running southwest and west of the Western Industrial Area of Ariel. In both routes the sewage is regularly filtered and purified according to Israeli standards. CAMERA confirmed the existence of the filtering and purification facilities. The Palestinian town, Salfit, however, continues to dump untreated waste into the Shilo river — a fact confirmed by FoEME. Contrary to the accusations in Hari's story, the continuing source of untreated human waste in the water near Salfit is the Palestinian town itself.
Although the 2008 Nature and Park Authority monitoring report did state that some of Ariel's water is not properly treated, the head of Ariel's water authority emphatically denied the report and filed a letter of protest with the Director of the Environmental Unit of the Israeli government. A representative from the unit later apologized for the error and promised to have the report amended.
In CAMERA's correspondance with Executive Editor Hayman, she denied that there were any errors in Hari's piece and defended his false accusation against CAMERA by citing a CAMERA piece criticizing a prior and unrelated Hari column for "employ[ing] crude anti-Jewish themes."
Despite the persistent refusal of The Independent to adhere to any semblance of fairness, balance or factual accuracy, CAMERA persists in the onerous task of publicizing the newspaper's bias against Israel.
(With research by Tamar Sternthal.)
CAMERA: The Independent Refuses to Correct Flawed Column on West Bank Sewage
The Independent Refuses to Correct Flawed Column on West Bank Sewage
The Independent, a British newspaper, has firmly established its reputation over the years as a relentless critic of Israel. It has long featured Robert Fisk, whose lively writings are laced with imaginary Israeli crimes, like his bizarre claim that Israel used "a secret new uranium-based weapon" in Lebanon (later found to be baseless by a UN investigation team), and doctored quotes by Israeli leaders to impugn their motives. In recent years, the newspaper has featured another Israel basher with a similar flair and imagination — Johann Hari. Like Fisk, Hari employs flawed portrayals and doctored quotes to cultivate the theme of Israel abusing Palestinians.
A case in point is Hari's column entitled "Israel is Suppressing a Secret it Must Face" published on April 28, 2008, where he suggested that Israel is deliberately contaminating Palestinian water. He wrote that:
Across the occupied West Bank, raw untreated sewage is pumped every day out of the Jewish settlements, along large metal pipes, straight onto Palestinian land. From there, it can enter the groundwater and the reservoirs and become a poison.
In fact, published studies demonstrate that it is the Palestinians who are mainly responsible for contaminating the water. Palestinian sources are responsible for 95 percent of all untreated waste in the West Bank, yet the remaining five percent from Jewish settlements receives all of Hari's approbation.
It seems rigorous fact-checking is not part of Hari's skill set. Not only did he misrepresent the facts about untreated waste in his column, but in a subsequent article, "The loathsome smearing of Israel's critics" (May 8, 2008), which was spurred by criticisms of his column, he falsely accused CAMERA of calling him "an anti-Jewish bigot akin to Joseph Goebbels and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad....."
When CAMERA wrote a letter to The Independent requesting a correction of both the errors in his column on untreated waste and the subsequent smear, the paper's Executive Editor, Louise Hayman, stonewalled, justifying her refusal to correct factual errors by stating, "there is no legal, regulatory or ethical requirement on The Independent that every article should be balanced, or even fair." Apparently, there is also no requirement to be factually accurate.
She claimed that this was not an isolated incident by citing reports in the Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz, which she described as Israel's most distinguished newspaper — a highly subjective opinion — and the BBC.
CAMERA responded to her anecdotal defense by providing unequivocal data showing that the raw sewage problem in the West Bank was overwhelmingly of Palestinian origin. Confronted with these facts, Ms. Hayman fell back upon the primacy of The Independent's political narrative which holds Israel as an illegal occupier.
In her final response to CAMERA, Ms. Hayman stated:
Johann Hari's column chose to focus on the untreated sewage emanating from the settlements he believes "there is a qualitiative difference between Israeli settlements, constructed illegally, pumping untreated sewage towards the occupied population, and a collapsing Palestinian Authority being unable to treat its own sewage partly because it exists under military occupation."
A columnist — who is clearly flagged up to readers as writing an opinionated take on the news — is perfectly within his rights to do this. The facts he offered were accurate; his opinions and choice of emphasis are his own, as any reader can see, and as they should be for an op-ed writer.
According to her logic, only Israeli settlers deserve approbation for polluting the land since, in The Independent's opinion, the settlements are illegal. And Israel's military occupation absolves the Palestinian Authority of any responsibility to provide adequate sewage treatment. Despite the billions in aid provided by foreign donors, the Palestinian Authority has made limited investment in sanitation infrastructure. Nevertheless, the Independent condemns Jewish settlements alone for the problem.
Hari Ignores the Findings of Several Environmental Studies in Order to Blame Israel
Hari's allegation that Jewish settlers are responsible for contaminating West Bank land contradicts not only the statements of Israeli regulators, but the findings of an independent environmental group, Friends of the Earth Middle East (FoEME), which indicates that Palestinians are the primary culprits in generating raw sewage and contaminating water supplies with untreated waste. Hari's disproportionate focus on Jewish settlements as the problem defies logic, considering the much larger Palestinian population in the West Bank.
In typical fashion, Hari selectively cited a single figure culled from a 2005 study by FoEME claiming that only six percent of Jewish settlements treated their sewage properly. What he neglected to mention, however, is that the figures were based on a survey of only about half of the existing settlements, many of which had already begun to implement treatment processes but were deemed inadequate by FoEME. The other settlements had not been evaluated. Another report by the Israeli Water Commission found 70 percent was adequately treated.
But even the critical FoEME report provides figures showing that more than three quarters of all the waste water in the West Bank is generated by Palestinians who, for the most part, employ no treatment for their waste water. On page four and in its conclusion summary, the report identifies unsanitary cesspits from uphill Palestinian villages as the source of fecal coliforms in water sources. On page five, further detail is provided, calculating that 61 percent of the Palestinian population dispose of their sewage in unlined cesspits amounting to some 46 million cubic meters of waste water. Israeli settlements produce 15 million cubic meters. A table on page six reiterates the figures and contrasts the "partial treatment" of sewage by Israeli settlements to "none or unsatisfactory" treatment by Palestinian locales. An addenda to the report states, "Sewage from most Palestinian cities and villages receives no treatment at all."
The report's conclusion states:
The Palestinian Authority has openly stated that water supply projects should take precedence over sewage projects. While sewage treatment projects are largely on hold, many infrastructure projects (particularly on water supply) have continued to move forward on the West Bank.
The Palestinian Authority has until very recently refused to accept the standards of sewage treatment upon which Israel has insisted.
No honest reading of the FoEME report could conclude that the problem lies predominately with the Jewish settlements.
More recent studies indicate a much higher water treatment rate for Israeli settlements. For example, the 2007 Monitoring Report of the Rivers of Judea and Samaria released by the environmental unit of the Nature and Parks Protection Authority gave precise figures:
94 % of Palestinian waste is untreated or improperly treated, 4.5 % is treated in Israel, 1.5 % is treated on the West Bank.
68.5 % of sewage from Israeli settlements is treated in Israel or the West Bank, 31.5 % is not properly treated.
Palestinians generate 56 million cubic feet of sewage, Jewish settlements 17.5 million cubic feet.
The Authority's September 2008 monitoring report indicates that Jewish settlements are responsible for only five percent of untreated or improperly treated wastewater, in contrast to the Palestinians who generate 95 percent.
CAMERA was able to identify the specific location Hari wrote about. It is a Palestinian town, Salfit, located near the Israeli city of Ariel. A CAMERA representative met with Ariel officials. What he learned and observed firsthand is not consistent with Hari's account. Ariel has sewage lines running southwest and west of the Western Industrial Area of Ariel. In both routes the sewage is regularly filtered and purified according to Israeli standards. CAMERA confirmed the existence of the filtering and purification facilities. The Palestinian town, Salfit, however, continues to dump untreated waste into the Shilo river — a fact confirmed by FoEME. Contrary to the accusations in Hari's story, the continuing source of untreated human waste in the water near Salfit is the Palestinian town itself.
Although the 2008 Nature and Park Authority monitoring report did state that some of Ariel's water is not properly treated, the head of Ariel's water authority emphatically denied the report and filed a letter of protest with the Director of the Environmental Unit of the Israeli government. A representative from the unit later apologized for the error and promised to have the report amended.
In CAMERA's correspondance with Executive Editor Hayman, she denied that there were any errors in Hari's piece and defended his false accusation against CAMERA by citing a CAMERA piece criticizing a prior and unrelated Hari column for "employ[ing] crude anti-Jewish themes."
Despite the persistent refusal of The Independent to adhere to any semblance of fairness, balance or factual accuracy, CAMERA persists in the onerous task of publicizing the newspaper's bias against Israel.
(With research by Tamar Sternthal.)
CAMERA: The Independent Refuses to Correct Flawed Column on West Bank Sewage
High_Gravity
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If the Israelis left the Pallies alone they would whine and tell them to come back.
georgephillip
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Israel's core values are timeless.
"It’s one thing to punish someone for calling attention to Israel’s rank behavior. It is something else to insist that foul is actually fair–-to say the sewage smells like roses.
"Who would be reckless enough to imply such a nauseating thing and do so with a straight face before cameras with the whole world watching? How about the President of the United States? He lives in Washington D.C., where denial of IsraelÂ’s malodorous nature is almost unanimous.
"President Obama had an interview with IsraelÂ’s Channel 2 TV station on 15 March 2013, just before he left to visit that country. In the interview he stated that he admires IsraelÂ’s 'core values.'
"The Israeli journalist Gideon Levy, who has an honest nose for these things, editorially asked Obama, which values he was talking about?
"The dehumanization of the Palestinians?
"The attitude toward African migrants?
"The arrogance, racism and nationalism?
"Is this what he admires?
"DonÂ’t separate buses for Palestinians remind him of something?"
What's your choice?
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