Why Are So Many Jews Leaving Israel?

[georgephillip]

Uri Avnery suggests a Crusader connection in his brief article at Counterpunch:

"THOSE WHO are interested in the history of the Crusades ask themselves: what brought about the Crusaders’ downfall? Looking at the remnants of their proud fortresses all over the country, we wonder.

"The traditional answer is: their defeat in the battle of the Horns of Hattin, twin hills near the Lake of Galilee, in 1187, by the great Muslim Sultan Salah ad-Din (Saladin).

"However, the Crusader state lived on in Palestine and the surroundings for another hundred years.

"The most authoritative historian of the Crusades, the late Steven Runciman, gave a completely different answer: the Crusader kingdom collapsed because too many Crusaders returned to their ancestral homelands, while too few came to join the Crusaders. In the end, the last remnants were thrown into the sea (literally)."

Obviously the nuclear-fanged corporate controlled ethnocracy currently ruling all the land between the River and the sea isn't likely to suffer a similar fate; however, is it worth wondering why so many Jews who were born and educated in Israel currently prefer living in Hamburg to Haifa?

"This is not a subject anyone ever speaks of. But it is there. And it is bound to get worse.

"Jewish Israelis are already a minority in the country ruled by Israel, from the Mediterranean to the Jordan. The majority of subjects deprived of all rights is growing by the year. Oppression will necessarily grow. The image of Israel throughout the world will get worse. Pride in Israel will fade."

Why Are So Many Jews Leaving Israel? » CounterPunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

 

[MHunterB]

Where are the stats to support his opinion? There's nothing in the article at all. It's useful as the opinion of ONE person within Israel, but he's far from being 'mainstream'.

Should people take opinion pieces by David Duke about America as seriously as you want everyone to take Avenry's words about Israel?

 

[georgephillip]

Where are the stats to support his opinion? There's nothing in the article at all. It's useful as the opinion of ONE person within Israel, but he's far from being 'mainstream'.

Should people take opinion pieces by David Duke about America as seriously as you want everyone to take Avenry's words about Israel?

Probably not unless one thinks your opinion pieces on international relations rival those of Chomsky.

Avnery has lived in Israel longer than its existence as a Jewish state.
His explanation for Jewish "descenders" seems to make sense:

"Why?

"Immense funds are swallowed by the army, whose demands grow from year to year, though our security situation is improving all the time.

"Our eternal occupation of the Palestinian territories is a drain on our meager resources. So are the settlements, of course. Our government invests in them huge sums of money. The exact amounts are a state secret.

"In the long run, a small country with limited resources cannot sustain a huge army, as well as an occupation regime and hundreds of settlements, without depriving everything else. One single fighter plane costs more than a school or a hospital or a laboratory."

To paraphrase: It's the Occupation, Stupid!

Why Are So Many Jews Leaving Israel? » CounterPunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

 

[toastman]

Uri Avnery suggests a Crusader connection in his brief article at Counterpunch:

"THOSE WHO are interested in the history of the Crusades ask themselves: what brought about the Crusaders’ downfall? Looking at the remnants of their proud fortresses all over the country, we wonder.

"The traditional answer is: their defeat in the battle of the Horns of Hattin, twin hills near the Lake of Galilee, in 1187, by the great Muslim Sultan Salah ad-Din (Saladin).

"However, the Crusader state lived on in Palestine and the surroundings for another hundred years.

"The most authoritative historian of the Crusades, the late Steven Runciman, gave a completely different answer: the Crusader kingdom collapsed because too many Crusaders returned to their ancestral homelands, while too few came to join the Crusaders. In the end, the last remnants were thrown into the sea (literally)."

Obviously the nuclear-fanged corporate controlled ethnocracy currently ruling all the land between the River and the sea isn't likely to suffer a similar fate; however, is it worth wondering why so many Jews who were born and educated in Israel currently prefer living in Hamburg to Haifa?

"This is not a subject anyone ever speaks of. But it is there. And it is bound to get worse.

"Jewish Israelis are already a minority in the country ruled by Israel, from the Mediterranean to the Jordan. The majority of subjects deprived of all rights is growing by the year. Oppression will necessarily grow. The image of Israel throughout the world will get worse. Pride in Israel will fade."

Why Are So Many Jews Leaving Israel? » CounterPunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

Instead of believing the crap you read from you conspiracy theory sources, why don't you go to Israel and ask Jews for yourself ??

I have over 50 relatives in Israel and have been there over ten times, and I cannot tell you how many Jewish people, specially the ones in their twenties or thirties, have expressed their love for Israel and how they love living in the Jewish Homeland.
Yet every few months, I notice a thread like this popping up.
We get it, you anti - Zionist drool over the fact that Jews will start leaving Israel in large masses, but stop dreaming !
BTW, the Jewish population in Israel reached a new high about 6 or more months ago. I started the thread actually with the article showing so.

So,Georgie, but your article , which BTW did not present any statistics, or any valid proof for that matter to prove the claim that 'Jews are leaving Israel' is just more anti - Zionist

 

[MHunterB]

Georgie, it's a real pity about your comprehension problem. I asked you about David Duke: you made some noises about me and Chumpsky. If you had a point there, you were playing too many cutesy games to make it.

And still no stats on anything, just reposting the same stupid link to the same opinion piece, which Georgie evidently mistakes for fact.

 

[georgephillip]

Uri Avnery suggests a Crusader connection in his brief article at Counterpunch:

"THOSE WHO are interested in the history of the Crusades ask themselves: what brought about the Crusaders’ downfall? Looking at the remnants of their proud fortresses all over the country, we wonder.

"The traditional answer is: their defeat in the battle of the Horns of Hattin, twin hills near the Lake of Galilee, in 1187, by the great Muslim Sultan Salah ad-Din (Saladin).

"However, the Crusader state lived on in Palestine and the surroundings for another hundred years.

"The most authoritative historian of the Crusades, the late Steven Runciman, gave a completely different answer: the Crusader kingdom collapsed because too many Crusaders returned to their ancestral homelands, while too few came to join the Crusaders. In the end, the last remnants were thrown into the sea (literally)."

Obviously the nuclear-fanged corporate controlled ethnocracy currently ruling all the land between the River and the sea isn't likely to suffer a similar fate; however, is it worth wondering why so many Jews who were born and educated in Israel currently prefer living in Hamburg to Haifa?

"This is not a subject anyone ever speaks of. But it is there. And it is bound to get worse.

"Jewish Israelis are already a minority in the country ruled by Israel, from the Mediterranean to the Jordan. The majority of subjects deprived of all rights is growing by the year. Oppression will necessarily grow. The image of Israel throughout the world will get worse. Pride in Israel will fade."

Why Are So Many Jews Leaving Israel? » CounterPunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

Instead of believing the crap you read from you conspiracy theory sources, why don't you go to Israel and ask Jews for yourself ??

I have over 50 relatives in Israel and have been there over ten times, and I cannot tell you how many Jewish people, specially the ones in their twenties or thirties, have expressed their love for Israel and how they love living in the Jewish Homeland.
Yet every few months, I notice a thread like this popping up.
We get it, you anti - Zionist drool over the fact that Jews will start leaving Israel in large masses, but stop dreaming !
BTW, the Jewish population in Israel reached a new high about 6 or more months ago. I started the thread actually with the article showing so.

So,Georgie, but your article , which BTW did not present any statistics, or any valid proof for that matter to prove the claim that 'Jews are leaving Israel' is just more anti - Zionist

What's your thought on another of Avnery's (conspiracy) theories?

"Many Jews are deeply convinced that the Jewish intellect is superior to that of any other people. Theories about this abound. One of them is that in medieval times, European intellectuals were mostly celibate monks who did not bequeath their genes to any offspring.

"In Jewish communities, the opposite happened: the rich were proud to marry their daughters to especially gifted Torah scholars, allowing their genes to start life in privileged circumstances."

Might this be a reason why so many Israel loving Jews believe they have a divine right to rule over the land between the River and the sea without providing free elections for all living under Jewish laws?

Why Are So Many Jews Leaving Israel? » CounterPunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Uri Avnery suggests a Crusader connection in his brief article at Counterpunch:

"THOSE WHO are interested in the history of the Crusades ask themselves: what brought about the Crusaders’ downfall? Looking at the remnants of their proud fortresses all over the country, we wonder.

"The traditional answer is: their defeat in the battle of the Horns of Hattin, twin hills near the Lake of Galilee, in 1187, by the great Muslim Sultan Salah ad-Din (Saladin).

"However, the Crusader state lived on in Palestine and the surroundings for another hundred years.

"The most authoritative historian of the Crusades, the late Steven Runciman, gave a completely different answer: the Crusader kingdom collapsed because too many Crusaders returned to their ancestral homelands, while too few came to join the Crusaders. In the end, the last remnants were thrown into the sea (literally)."

Obviously the nuclear-fanged corporate controlled ethnocracy currently ruling all the land between the River and the sea isn't likely to suffer a similar fate; however, is it worth wondering why so many Jews who were born and educated in Israel currently prefer living in Hamburg to Haifa?

"This is not a subject anyone ever speaks of. But it is there. And it is bound to get worse.

"Jewish Israelis are already a minority in the country ruled by Israel, from the Mediterranean to the Jordan. The majority of subjects deprived of all rights is growing by the year. Oppression will necessarily grow. The image of Israel throughout the world will get worse. Pride in Israel will fade."

Why Are So Many Jews Leaving Israel? » CounterPunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

Instead of believing the crap you read from you conspiracy theory sources, why don't you go to Israel and ask Jews for yourself ??

I have over 50 relatives in Israel and have been there over ten times, and I cannot tell you how many Jewish people, specially the ones in their twenties or thirties, have expressed their love for Israel and how they love living in the Jewish Homeland.
Yet every few months, I notice a thread like this popping up.
We get it, you anti - Zionist drool over the fact that Jews will start leaving Israel in large masses, but stop dreaming !
BTW, the Jewish population in Israel reached a new high about 6 or more months ago. I started the thread actually with the article showing so.

So,Georgie, but your article , which BTW did not present any statistics, or any valid proof for that matter to prove the claim that 'Jews are leaving Israel' is just more anti - Zionist

What's your thought on another of Avnery's (conspiracy) theories?

"Many Jews are deeply convinced that the Jewish intellect is superior to that of any other people. Theories about this abound. One of them is that in medieval times, European intellectuals were mostly celibate monks who did not bequeath their genes to any offspring.

"In Jewish communities, the opposite happened: the rich were proud to marry their daughters to especially gifted Torah scholars, allowing their genes to start life in privileged circumstances."

Might this be a reason why so many Israel loving Jews believe they have a divine right to rule over the land between the River and the sea without providing free elections for all living under Jewish laws?

Why Are So Many Jews Leaving Israel? » CounterPunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

If the West Bank ever became independent, george, what would your life be about then? And Toastman is right--you should visit Israel at least once.

 

[toastman]

George thinks Israel is a "shitty little country"

 

[ForeverYoung436]

George thinks Israel is a "shitty little country"

Well, that's only proof he never visited there. Israel is a modern, vibrant and thriving country.

 

[Kondor3]

It's all about Net Gain or Net Loss.

We need to see credible and authoritative numbers regarding both Arrivals and Departures.

For several recent consecutive years, in order to properly analyze the pattern.

For example, I seem to recall that in 2010 there were an approximate 19K+ Arrivals and 15K+ Departures, with a Net gain of 4K+.

I'm sure it varies on a year-by-year basis... Net Gain one year, Net Loss the next... on and on and on and on and on.

And, at 2.x or 3.x migrants per 1000, it's not terribly significant anyway.

Dog bites man.

Oh, to dream a little dream of the failure of the Jewish State of Israel, right?

God... these Muslim-Arab apologists and propaganda shills and fifth-columnists are a hoot sometimes...

 

[georgephillip]

George thinks Israel is a "shitty little country"

"Lack of hope

"None of this comes as a surprise to Sharon Eyny and Amit Noy Nevo. A year and a half ago, they founded a company in New York to assist Israelis who move to the city. The company, called Get it Done NY, helps new arrivals find housing and a school for their children -- in short, to acclimatize."

Maybe some Jews never acclimatize to racism in the holy land?

Bye, the beloved country - why almost 40 percent of Israelis are thinking of emigrating Israel News | Haaretz

 

[toastman]

George thinks Israel is a "shitty little country"

"Lack of hope

"None of this comes as a surprise to Sharon Eyny and Amit Noy Nevo. A year and a half ago, they founded a company in New York to assist Israelis who move to the city. The company, called Get it Done NY, helps new arrivals find housing and a school for their children -- in short, to acclimatize."

Maybe some Jews never acclimatize to racism in the holy land?

Bye, the beloved country - why almost 40 percent of Israelis are thinking of emigrating Israel News | Haaretz

Are you a robot programmed to post crap from crap sites or are you a real person ?

 

[Roudy]

George thinks Israel is a "shitty little country"

"Lack of hope

"None of this comes as a surprise to Sharon Eyny and Amit Noy Nevo. A year and a half ago, they founded a company in New York to assist Israelis who move to the city. The company, called Get it Done NY, helps new arrivals find housing and a school for their children -- in short, to acclimatize."

Maybe some Jews never acclimatize to racism in the holy land?

Bye, the beloved country - why almost 40 percent of Israelis are thinking of emigrating Israel News | Haaretz

Baloney, if things are so bad then why would Israelis be among the happiest people on the planet? Just imagine, all this adversity and hardships they have faced, yet their love for country and life is unrivaled. Truly God's miracle.

Israelis Among The Happiest in the World!

Israelis are once again among the happiest people in the world. The annual World Happiness Report, a 156-nation survey published by the United Nations Sustainable Development Solutions Network, slotted Israel as the 11th happiest country.
Denmark, Norway and Switzerland led the pack. The US scored just 17th on the poll, Canada took the sixth spot, and Togo was in last place.
The report ranks happiness based on a ‘life evaluation score’ – a number between 0-10 – that measures aspects such as life expectancy, family and job security, freedom to make life choices, and lack of government corruption.
The index was a collaborative effort University of British Columbia and Canadian Institute for Advanced Research, the London School of Economics, and Columbia University’s Earth Institute.
Israelis ranked the happiest in the region as compared to neighboring populations like Egypt (130), Jordan (74), Iran (115), and Lebanon (97).

Israel came out on in the Top 10 in two measures: health (Israel ranked in fifth out of 36) and happiness (eighth). The poll considered 11 criteria when measuring the countries: housing, income, jobs, community, education, environment, civic engagement, health, life satisfaction, safety and work-life balance.

 

[Kondor3]

"...Maybe some Jews never acclimatize to racism in the holy land?..."

Probably because there is no large-scale racism at-work in the Holy Land.

Probably because they're virtually all the same race - various shades of white - except for the Black Jews who were expelled from African-Muslim countries and fled to Israel.

Rather, it's more like a Johnny-come-lately and bloodthirsty 'pretend' religion failing to expel an old and beloved and better-established 'real' religion (Judaism).

Religious and political separation is a far cry from racism.

 

[Lipush]

Uri Avnery suggests a Crusader connection in his brief article at Counterpunch:

"THOSE WHO are interested in the history of the Crusades ask themselves: what brought about the Crusaders’ downfall? Looking at the remnants of their proud fortresses all over the country, we wonder.

"The traditional answer is: their defeat in the battle of the Horns of Hattin, twin hills near the Lake of Galilee, in 1187, by the great Muslim Sultan Salah ad-Din (Saladin).

"However, the Crusader state lived on in Palestine and the surroundings for another hundred years.

"The most authoritative historian of the Crusades, the late Steven Runciman, gave a completely different answer: the Crusader kingdom collapsed because too many Crusaders returned to their ancestral homelands, while too few came to join the Crusaders. In the end, the last remnants were thrown into the sea (literally)."

Obviously the nuclear-fanged corporate controlled ethnocracy currently ruling all the land between the River and the sea isn't likely to suffer a similar fate; however, is it worth wondering why so many Jews who were born and educated in Israel currently prefer living in Hamburg to Haifa?

"This is not a subject anyone ever speaks of. But it is there. And it is bound to get worse.

"Jewish Israelis are already a minority in the country ruled by Israel, from the Mediterranean to the Jordan. The majority of subjects deprived of all rights is growing by the year. Oppression will necessarily grow. The image of Israel throughout the world will get worse. Pride in Israel will fade."

Why Are So Many Jews Leaving Israel? » CounterPunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

Uri Avnery is a radical leftist.

He is just like Michael Ben Ari.

I don't trust any extreme side to speak for my people.

Neither should anyone else

 

[georgephillip]

George thinks Israel is a "shitty little country"

"Lack of hope

"None of this comes as a surprise to Sharon Eyny and Amit Noy Nevo. A year and a half ago, they founded a company in New York to assist Israelis who move to the city. The company, called Get it Done NY, helps new arrivals find housing and a school for their children -- in short, to acclimatize."

Maybe some Jews never acclimatize to racism in the holy land?

Bye, the beloved country - why almost 40 percent of Israelis are thinking of emigrating Israel News | Haaretz

Are you a robot programmed to post crap from crap sites or are you a real person ?

Is that a trick question?

"In the past several decades, emigration (yerida) has seen a considerable increase. From 1990 to 2005, 230,000 Israelis left the country; a large proportion of these departures included people who initially immigrated to Israel and then reversed their course (48% of all post-1990 departures and even 60% of 2003 and 2004 departures were former immigrants to Israel). 8% of Jewish immigrants in the post-1990 period left Israel, while 15% of non-Jewish immigrants did. In 2005 alone, 21,500 Israelis left the country and had not yet returned at the end of 2006; among them 73% were Jews, 5% Arabs, and 22% "Others" (mostly non-Jewish immigrants, with Jewish ancestry, from USSR). At the same time, 10,500 Israelis came back to Israel after over one year abroad; 84% were Jews, 9% Others, and 7% Arabs."

Fill in snarky remark:

Demographics of Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[MHunterB]

Uri Avnery suggests a Crusader connection in his brief article at Counterpunch:

"THOSE WHO are interested in the history of the Crusades ask themselves: what brought about the Crusaders’ downfall? Looking at the remnants of their proud fortresses all over the country, we wonder.

"The traditional answer is: their defeat in the battle of the Horns of Hattin, twin hills near the Lake of Galilee, in 1187, by the great Muslim Sultan Salah ad-Din (Saladin).

"However, the Crusader state lived on in Palestine and the surroundings for another hundred years.

"The most authoritative historian of the Crusades, the late Steven Runciman, gave a completely different answer: the Crusader kingdom collapsed because too many Crusaders returned to their ancestral homelands, while too few came to join the Crusaders. In the end, the last remnants were thrown into the sea (literally)."

Obviously the nuclear-fanged corporate controlled ethnocracy currently ruling all the land between the River and the sea isn't likely to suffer a similar fate; however, is it worth wondering why so many Jews who were born and educated in Israel currently prefer living in Hamburg to Haifa?

"This is not a subject anyone ever speaks of. But it is there. And it is bound to get worse.

"Jewish Israelis are already a minority in the country ruled by Israel, from the Mediterranean to the Jordan. The majority of subjects deprived of all rights is growing by the year. Oppression will necessarily grow. The image of Israel throughout the world will get worse. Pride in Israel will fade."

Why Are So Many Jews Leaving Israel? » CounterPunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

Uri Avnery is a radical leftist.

He is just like Michael Ben Ari.

I don't trust any extreme side to speak for my people.

Neither should anyone else

Yes, Avnery is a radical leftist - so's Georgie boy. And he doesn't speak for America, either - except in his fantasies, perhaps.

 

[Lipush]

Uri Avnery suggests a Crusader connection in his brief article at Counterpunch:

"THOSE WHO are interested in the history of the Crusades ask themselves: what brought about the Crusaders’ downfall? Looking at the remnants of their proud fortresses all over the country, we wonder.

"The traditional answer is: their defeat in the battle of the Horns of Hattin, twin hills near the Lake of Galilee, in 1187, by the great Muslim Sultan Salah ad-Din (Saladin).

"However, the Crusader state lived on in Palestine and the surroundings for another hundred years.

"The most authoritative historian of the Crusades, the late Steven Runciman, gave a completely different answer: the Crusader kingdom collapsed because too many Crusaders returned to their ancestral homelands, while too few came to join the Crusaders. In the end, the last remnants were thrown into the sea (literally)."

Obviously the nuclear-fanged corporate controlled ethnocracy currently ruling all the land between the River and the sea isn't likely to suffer a similar fate; however, is it worth wondering why so many Jews who were born and educated in Israel currently prefer living in Hamburg to Haifa?

"This is not a subject anyone ever speaks of. But it is there. And it is bound to get worse.

"Jewish Israelis are already a minority in the country ruled by Israel, from the Mediterranean to the Jordan. The majority of subjects deprived of all rights is growing by the year. Oppression will necessarily grow. The image of Israel throughout the world will get worse. Pride in Israel will fade."

Why Are So Many Jews Leaving Israel? » CounterPunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

Uri Avnery is a radical leftist.

He is just like Michael Ben Ari.

I don't trust any extreme side to speak for my people.

Neither should anyone else

Yes, Avnery is a radical leftist - so's Georgie boy. And he doesn't speak for America, either - except in his fantasies, perhaps.

 

[docmauser1]

Uri Avnery suggests a Crusader connection in his brief article at Counterpunch: "THOSE WHO are interested in the history of the Crusades ask themselves: what brought about the Crusaders’ downfall? Looking at the remnants of their proud fortresses all over the country, we wonder. ...

On January 2nd, 2012, Uri Avnery ..., highly-touted ‘Israeli’ “peace” activist, released an article entitled “Shukran, Israel (1),” a fusion of colonial arrogance, Jewish supremacism and malicious Zionist propaganda that shocked me, infuriated me and made me chuckle after the rage simmered to a serenity at the thought of this diatribe even being composed to begin with. ... sez some Jonathan Azaziah, proving an observation that no matter what place one kisses palistanians on it's always an arse, of course. hehehehehe

 

[georgephillip]

"The founders of Zionism always rejected accusations of racism as absurd. It’s the anti-Semites who are racist. Zionists were liberal, socialist, progressive. (As far as I know, only one Zionist leader had openly endorsed racism: Arthur Ruppin, the German Jew who was the father of the Zionist settlements in the early 20th century.)"

Is Israel an Apartheid State? » CounterPunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names