Why are conservatives embracing false narratives of urban decline, and what can be done to encourage embracing social/political reality?

[Rogue AI]

Did you have a thought on why conservatives buy into false narratives of urban decay/chaos?

It's not a false narrative. The last time urban hellholes were this bad was during 'white flight'. Now it's whole businesses and the rich that are leaving. The cities are filling up with the homeless, illegal aliens, and other criminals. The tax revenue is fleeing.

 

[MinTrut]

Other than it being not true?

What's your basis for this false belief?

You are suggesting that Seattle is too expensive for Amazon.

You don't seem to know how pernicious and venal Amazon is.

No one is embracing a false narrative.

Not one, but many conservatives, yes.

Seattle would greatly benefit from a severe freeze.

Compassionate conservatism...

 

[MinTrut]

The narratives outlined seem to be true from everything I read.

On this thread?

This thread debunks the vast majority of false conservative narratives surrounding the topic, and is highly recommended.

High cost of living, high taxes

Correct, but not the topic.

job opportunities

Indeed - a booming area as noted.

and yes crime.

As with all cities.

But compare Seattle's per capita murder rate - for instance - with that of Memphis and Nashville.

It's fractional by comparison.

Crime is Making Americans Flee Democratic States
"Although taxes are an important factor, there was not nearly as much blue-to-red state movement before 2020. The deciding element appears to be the rapid rise of violent crime in Democrat-controlled cities across the nation.

"The 2021 National Crime Victimization Survey shows that the rate of violent crime has been rising in urban areas, though not in suburbs or rural areas. This tracks with the population movement from Democrat-controlled states to Republican ones. The two are coincident, and there are clear indications of a causal relationship."

Most crime is down almost everywhere.

But people may be buying into false narratives.

Why do think this happens?

 

[MinTrut]

You have a hearing problem?

Fallacious/irrelevant.

I called horseshit on your posts.

On what basis?

Why do you think you haven't provided the basis for your beliefs?

Is it because you fear discovering they're false?

 

[MinTrut]

LMAO so other than the 150 outliers

Can you enumerate these alleged 150 outliers, and the total number of urban areas under consideration of which they're allegedly a part?

facts have exposed your SPIN run away and hide.

This looks like projection to me; the vast majority of false conservative claims have been debunked.

 

[MinTrut]

He just can’t stand anyone challenging his ill thought out stupid rhetoric.

Fallacious/irrelevant.

He keeps getting proven wrong

Projection.

yet he clings to his BS.

See above.

 

[MinTrut]

Thanks for your admission that California and New York are falling.

What do you mean by falling?

 

[MinTrut]

Cities are shitholes.

How do you define shithole?

How are non-urban areas not shitholes?

I see a different city everyday.

Can you enumerate a few of these cities - or all of them - so we can discuss? TIA

And each one is a crime ridden cesspool.

Specifics would be great, as your claim flies in the face of nearly everything we know about thriving urban areas.

Fact.

See above.

 

[MinTrut]

This does not appear to be relevant to the topic.

 

[MinTrut]

False narratives of urban decline huh?

Correct.

Why do you think conservatives create/embrace these?

The cities are shitholes.

Can you define what you mean by this?

Yeah Seattle is a nice place

Indeed.

but it used to be much better.

Perhaps in some ways, and not so much in others.

Time has this effect.

Same with California.

See above.

I spend half my time in one of California's larger cities

Can you be more specific?

This claim is not useful to the topic unless we can examine actual data.

Thanks!

and generally speaking, I hate it.

Some hate urban areas, and some love them.

But the topic is false conservative narratives of urban decay/chaos, not personal taste.

I certainly couldn't move there

Where?

the cost difference would equal 1/4 my take home for just the income tax, property tax and homeowners.

Urban areas tend to be more expensive, yes - especially in California.

All for what? A dump and lie.

Cities are both loved and hated.

The left can't help but fuck things up.

The left has no power, so you may be referring to Democrats.

But that isn't the topic.

Looking forward to learning more specifics.

 

[MinTrut]

Seattle records most homicides in at least 44 years in 2023

A victim who was stabbed in June died from their injuries this month, marking the 70th homicide in Seattle so far this year.

www.king5.com

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Murder up in Seattle. Rising steadily since 2015.

Addressed.

Seattle's per capita crime rate is still quite low compared to cities like Memphis and Nashville (for instance), and overall crime is down in Seattle.

 

[MinTrut]

Seattle was a great city.

Still is, and many want to live there.

Now it's a shithole.

By what (relative) standard?

Compared to where, and why?

Please provide specifics.

TIA

I live in eastern Washington and used to visit often. I won't go near it. Democrats have ruined it.

See above.

 

[MinTrut]

You should hqve put this in the humor section...

Why?

You know what....USmessageboard needs a democrat party gaslighting section.......for the lies the democras have ro tell to save the democrats

Not the topic.

Why do you think conservatives embrace false narratives of urban decay/chaos?

 

[Hollie]

Why?

Not the topic.

Why do you think conservatives embrace false narratives of urban decay/chaos?

Why do you think people choose to ignore facts?

Seattle Crime Rates and Statistics - NeighborhoodScout

Most accurate 2021 crime rates for Seattle, WA. Your chance of being a victim of violent crime in Seattle is 1 in 125 and property crime is 1 in 18. Compare Seattle crime data to other cities, states, and neighborhoods in the U.S. on NeighborhoodScout.

www.neighborhoodscout.com

With a crime rate of 63 per one thousand residents, Seattle has one of the highest crime rates in America compared to all communities of all sizes - from the smallest towns to the very largest cities. One's chance of becoming a victim of either violent or property crime here is one in 16.

 

[DukeU]

This thread debunks the vast majority of false conservative narratives surrounding the topic, and is highly recommended.

It's a conservative narrative?

The Seattle Times?

Seattle violent crime hits 15-year high, and 4 more …

Correct, but not the topic.

They are part of the reasons listed by people who are fleeing these areas.

Indeed - a booming area as noted.

In the South.

As with all cities.

But compare Seattle's per capita murder rate - for instance - with that of Memphis and Nashville.

It's fractional by comparison.

Tell that to the people who are leaving.

Most crime is down almost everywhere.

But people may be buying into false narratives.

Why do think this happens?

Could it be because that's how it's been reported by the liberal media?

Fueled by gun violence, cities across the US are …

US crime rise not letting up in major cities | CNN

What’s behind rising violent crimes in the U.S., and how they ... - PBS

 

[Fueri]

Addressed.

Seattle's per capita crime rate is still quite low compared to cities like Memphis and Nashville (for instance), and overall crime is down in Seattle.

Sure.

Drug overdoses climbing, homelessness climbing, murder climbing.

The thread is why people think there is urban decline.

Decline of a city is relative to its own data, and cannot be dismissed by comparing per capita data to another city.

 

[Papageorgio]

I avoid the downtown areas in many large cities, I don’t like walking around tents and garbage on sidewalks. I prefer outlying suburbs, I understand why liberals that work downtown are wanting to work from home because of the perceived risk.

 

[MinTrut]

Perhaps you should leave you fantasy world and actually look a the evidence that has been posted to the contrary.

All addressed; the false conservative narratives of chaos and decline persist however.

No need to answer, I won't be bumping this stupid thread again.

 

[MinTrut]

Phew, you are so full of shit, MAGA man. Deny reality all you want, the only one you're fooling are your MAGA buds, racist

Did you have any on-topic comments/links to add to the discussion?

 

[MinTrut]

sure mini stronie...whatever you believe...

Can you support your position with facts/links?