Why are conservatives always on the wrong side of history?

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[Dad2three]

10 things conservative Christians got horribly wrong

Evangelicals and their ilk have used God to justify everything from Prohibition and segregation to slavery

1) Slavery. Both sides of the American slavery debate claimed to be speaking from profound Christian conviction. The Bible clearly has a positive view of slavery, something pro-slavery Christians routinely pointed out. Abolitionists took a broader, less literal view of the Bible. Unsurprising that this divide led to the South being, to this day, home of the most people who take a literalist, fundamentalist view of Christianity.

2) Women’s suffrage. Unsurprisingly, conservative Christianity was hostile to women’s suffrage, just as it’s been hostile to women’s progress every step of the way. Women’s “God-given” roles were routinely referenced in arguments against giving women the right to vote

3) Evolution.

4) Pain relief for childbirth

5) Catholics. Modern American conservative Protestants embrace Catholics and have even started to borrow some Catholic arguments against things like abortion and contraception. But in the early 19th and 20th centuries, there was widespread anti-Catholic sentiment, much of it tied up in hostility to Catholic immigrants. There was even an anti-Catholic political party in the early 19th century.

6) Prohibition. Hostility to Catholic immigrants was a large part of the reason temperance mania took over many Protestant communities in the 19th and early 20th centuries. Despite the fact that Jesus was a wine drinker, abstinence from alcohol—and forcing abstinence on others by force of law—became a major Christian cause during this period, leading up to Prohibition. This was true, even though many in the temperance movement were also aligned with the suffragist cause, making Prohibition one of the few Christian follies that weighs as heavily on the progressive Christian tradition as it does the conservative one. Luckily, it took little more than a decade for the bigtime error that was banning alcohol to be fixed.


7) Segregation. Religious leaders like Martin Luther King Jr. led the desegregation movement, but it’s also important to note that the pro-segregation movement was also conceived as a Christian one. Arguments against “race mixing” were largely framed in religious terms....Christian right leader Jerry Falwell got his start fighting to uphold segregation, giving sermons about how integration was offensive to God


8) Contraception. From the beginning of the “birth control movement,” Christian conservatives fought to keep women from being able to have sex without getting pregnant.

9) School prayer. Along with supporting segregation and opposing feminism, the third issue that created the modern religious right is the issue of prayer in public schools. In 1961, the Supreme Court ruled against school-led prayers, even if they were supposedly voluntary. Instead of giving up a chance to use schools as a way to foist their beliefs on the unwilling, the religious right spent and continues to spend the next 50-plus years trying to find some way to sneak religious indoctrination/bullying of non-believers into public schools.


10) Marriage equality. The religious right is still fighting like it’s not obvious that they’re wrong on this one. The tide is shifting so fast it’s quickly becoming apparent that this issue, like segregation, is going to be one where they’ll be pretending they didn’t fight so hard for the side of wrong in a few decades.

10 things conservative Christians got horribly wrong - Salon.com

So basically, the question here isn't "Why are conservatives on the wrong side of history?" It's "Why do you think the uninformed bullshit you believe is history?"

Got it, you have NOTHING. Thanks anyways

 

[Dad2three]

FLASHBACK: In 1993, GOP Warned That Clinton’s Tax Plan Would ‘Kill Jobs,’ ‘Kill The Current Recovery’

Here is just some of the rhetoric employed by Republicans in 1993 to fearmonger about Clinton’s tax increases (there’s more below the fold):

Rep. Newt Gingrich (R-GA), February 2, 1993: We have all too many people in the Democratic administration who are talking about bigger Government, bigger bureaucracy, more programs, and higher taxes. I believe that that will in fact kill the current recovery and put us back in a recession. It might take 1 1/2 or 2 years, but it will happen. (Congressional Record, 1993, Thomas)

Rep. Bill Archer (R-TX), May 24, 1993: I would much rather be here today supporting the President and I would do so if his proposals could expect to increase jobs and the standard of living for Americans, but I believe his massive tax increases will do just the opposite. (Congressional Record, 1993, Thomas)

Rep. Bob Goodlatte (R-GA), July 13, 1993: Small businesses generate the bulk of this Nation’s new jobs. And they will be the hardest hit by the Clinton tax-and-spend budget. Because, when you raise taxes, you kill jobs. (Congressional Record, 1993, Thomas)

Rep. Christopher Cox (R-CA), May, 27, 1993: This is really the Dr. Kevorkian plan for our economy. It will kill jobs, kill businesses, and yes, kill even the higher tax revenues that these suicidal tax increasers hope to gain. (Congressional Record, 1993, Page: H2949)

Of course, far from bringing the Doomsday of which Republicans were warning, Clinton’s policies ushered in the longest sustained period of economic growth in the nation’s history, with 23 million jobs created. Compared to the administration of George W. Bush, the Clinton-era saw more job growth, more GDP growth, more wage growth, and more business investment. Incomes grew under Clinton but fell under Bush, while poverty did the opposite, falling under Clinton but increasing under Bush.

Oh, and Clinton balanced the budget for the first time since 1969. On May 27, 1993, Rep. Robert Michel (R-IL) said “[Americans] will remember who set loose this dreadful virus into the economic bloodstream of our nation.” If only we could have a “dreadful virus” of that sort today. More quotes below the jump.:

You must be very lonely, given that you seem to think message boards are all about talking to yourself. I mean, 8 posts in a row without a single response? You can converse with yourself in the bathroom mirror.

 

[Dad2three]

So, Cons are responsible for all of that. Progressives are responsible for the murder of over 200 million people. Based on those facts I would say Cons are way the hell better than progressives. What's your response to that little progressive?

Without false premises, distortions and lies, what would the right wingers have? No those totalitarian states, WERE NOT PROGRESSIVE IN ANY WAY... Keep trying Bubba

Sure they weren't.... A progressive master class for you...

• H. G. Wells, one of the most influential progressives of the 20th century, said in 1932 that progressives must become “liberal fascists” and “enlightened Nazis.” Regarding totalitarianism, he stated: “I have never been able to escape altogether from its relentless logic.” Calling for a “‘Phoenix Rebirth’ of Liberalism” under the umbrella of “Liberal Fascism,” Wells said: “I am asking for a Liberal Fascisti, for enlightened Nazis.”

• The poet Wallace Stevens pronounced himself “pro-Mussolini personally.”

• The eminent historian Charles Beard wrote of Mussolini’s efforts: “Beyond question, an amazing experiment is being made [in Italy], an experiment in reconciling individualism and socialism.”

• Muckraking journalists almost universally admired Mussolini. Lincoln Steffens, for one, said that Italian fascism made Western democracy, by comparison, look like a system run by “petty persons with petty purposes.” Mussolini, Steffens proclaimed reverently, had been “formed” by God “out of the rib of Italy.”

• McClure’s Magazine founder Samuel McClure, an important figure in the muckraking movement, described Italian fascism as “a great step forward and the first new ideal in government since the founding of the American Republic.”

• After having vistited Italy and interviewed Mussolini in 1926, the American humorist Will Rogers, who was informally dubbed “Ambassador-at-Large of the United States” by the National Press Club, said of the fascist dictator: “I’m pretty high on that bird.” “Dictator form of government is the greatest form of government,” Rogers wrote, “that is, if you have the right dictator.”

• Reporter Ida Tarbell was deeply impressed by Mussolini's attitudes regarding labor, affectionately dubbing him “a despot with a dimple.”

• NAACP co-founder W. E. B. DuBois saw National Socialism as a worthy model for economic organization. The establishment of the Nazi dictatorship in Germany, he wrote, had been “absolutely necessary to get the state in order.” In 1937 DuBois stated: “there is today, in some respects, more democracy in Germany than there has been in years past.”

• FDR adviser Rexford Guy Tugwell said of Italian fascism: “It's the cleanest, neatest, most efficiently operating piece of social machinery I've ever seen. It makes me envious.”

• New Republic editor George Soule, who avidly supported FDR, noted approvingly that the Roosevelt administration was “trying out the economics of fascism.”

• Playwright George Bernard Shaw hailed Stalin, Hitler, and Mussolini as the world’s great “progressive” leaders because they “did things,” unlike the leaders of those “putrefying corpses” called parliamentary democracies.

"Because progressivism embraces the ideal of nationalism and touts the so-called “Third Way” between capitalism and communism, its pedigree is closer to fascism than to communism. Progressivism and fascism share the totalitarian belief that with the proper amount of tinkering, social engineers will be able to realize the utopian dream of establishing a nation where perfect equality reigns. This mindset accounts for the support that the early progressives gave to eugenics, whose ultimate aim was the creation of a pure race, a “New Man” – not unlike the Nazi “Aryan” ideal. Such a project, of course, could only be overseen and carried out by a wise and omniscient leadership, an intellectual elite endowed with judgment superior to that of the unwashed masses."


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Humorous at least Bubba, IF NOT HONEST

 

[Votto]

10 things conservative Christians got horribly wrong

Evangelicals and their ilk have used God to justify everything from Prohibition and segregation to slavery

1) Slavery. Both sides of the American slavery debate claimed to be speaking from profound Christian conviction. The Bible clearly has a positive view of slavery, something pro-slavery Christians routinely pointed out. Abolitionists took a broader, less literal view of the Bible. Unsurprising that this divide led to the South being, to this day, home of the most people who take a literalist, fundamentalist view of Christianity.

2) Women’s suffrage. Unsurprisingly, conservative Christianity was hostile to women’s suffrage, just as it’s been hostile to women’s progress every step of the way. Women’s “God-given” roles were routinely referenced in arguments against giving women the right to vote

3) Evolution.

4) Pain relief for childbirth

5) Catholics. Modern American conservative Protestants embrace Catholics and have even started to borrow some Catholic arguments against things like abortion and contraception. But in the early 19th and 20th centuries, there was widespread anti-Catholic sentiment, much of it tied up in hostility to Catholic immigrants. There was even an anti-Catholic political party in the early 19th century.

6) Prohibition. Hostility to Catholic immigrants was a large part of the reason temperance mania took over many Protestant communities in the 19th and early 20th centuries. Despite the fact that Jesus was a wine drinker, abstinence from alcohol—and forcing abstinence on others by force of law—became a major Christian cause during this period, leading up to Prohibition. This was true, even though many in the temperance movement were also aligned with the suffragist cause, making Prohibition one of the few Christian follies that weighs as heavily on the progressive Christian tradition as it does the conservative one. Luckily, it took little more than a decade for the bigtime error that was banning alcohol to be fixed.


7) Segregation. Religious leaders like Martin Luther King Jr. led the desegregation movement, but it’s also important to note that the pro-segregation movement was also conceived as a Christian one. Arguments against “race mixing” were largely framed in religious terms....Christian right leader Jerry Falwell got his start fighting to uphold segregation, giving sermons about how integration was offensive to God


8) Contraception. From the beginning of the “birth control movement,” Christian conservatives fought to keep women from being able to have sex without getting pregnant.

9) School prayer. Along with supporting segregation and opposing feminism, the third issue that created the modern religious right is the issue of prayer in public schools. In 1961, the Supreme Court ruled against school-led prayers, even if they were supposedly voluntary. Instead of giving up a chance to use schools as a way to foist their beliefs on the unwilling, the religious right spent and continues to spend the next 50-plus years trying to find some way to sneak religious indoctrination/bullying of non-believers into public schools.


10) Marriage equality. The religious right is still fighting like it’s not obvious that they’re wrong on this one. The tide is shifting so fast it’s quickly becoming apparent that this issue, like segregation, is going to be one where they’ll be pretending they didn’t fight so hard for the side of wrong in a few decades.

10 things conservative Christians got horribly wrong - Salon.com

1. Slavery. The Bible clearly does NOT have a favorable image of slavery. God sent Moses to free his people of slavery idiot. Then Mosaic law did the unthinkable, it gave everyone a day of rest, something that in the ancient world was unheard of. Thanks to Mosaic law, you now are able to enjoy a weekend. Although slavery was allowed in Mosaic law, it was only as a means of survival, and after 7 years, they were to be set free. You are either being disingenuous or you don't know what you are talking about. I could care less who uses the Bible to prove a point. Hell, Dims do it today when it comes to helping the poor. They use Jesus when it is convenient, but God forbid conservatives use the Bible when it comes to topics like abortion.

2. Woman's Suffrage. Again, I could really care less how people used the Bible in the past. Clearly it has been abused and misrepresented. Even Hitler claimed to be a Christian. Interestingly, even Obama claims to be one. Shrug. The reality, however, is that Jesus challenged the views of women during his day. He spared the woman caught in slavery and included women in his ministry. In the Bible we see women are prophets, military leaders, and one actually saved the entire Jewish people, so people can just ignore it if they please. It's not like Christians forbid their women from driving or drag them to the public square to be beheaded like they do in Islam. Now let's sit back and watch how the left destroys someone like Sarah Palin. Does the left really give a damn about women or do they simply selectively target women with the wrong political views? Hypocrites.

3. Why did you not write anything about evolution? Do you not know that not all Christians disbelieve evolution? Did you not know that evolution and creationism are not necessarily mutually exclusive? Again, more BS. As for those that do, so what? People are stupid no matter what side of the political spectrum you are on. Bush won 2 elections and Obama won two elections. Neither side can understand how it happened. The only answer is that people are genuinely stupid.

I could go on but you seem to be running out of steam with the rest of your BS.

 

[Votto]

If you equate the GOP with conservatism, then you have some points. However, I in no way see clowns like Bush a conservative.

How is it conservative to spend like a drunken sailor? How is it conservative to enact massive entitlements? How is it conservative to wage wars across the globe? How is it conservative to ignore illegal immigration? How is it conservative to bail out massive corporations?

Bush sound more like Obama than a conservative, don't you think?

Now his brother Jeb wants to continue the Progressive leadership by telling the world how to spread our love for illegals coming across the border. He will then use Common Core to teach children just how Constitutional it all is.

 

[Avorysuds]

The validity is in dispute based upon what I said.

You need to comprehend a discussion better.

Go get the raw data from each of his little graphs, and then provide the methodology that was used to arrive at the conclusion.

Remove any methodology by anyone who collects a government check for their research on the topic under discussion. Their objectivity is nonexistent.

SIMPLY GIVE ONE POLICY CONSERVATIVES HAVE BEEN ON THE CORRECT SIDE OF HISTORY ON? Just one PLEASE?

You do understand that simply because you disagree with a policy does not put it on the wrong side of history.

Get back to Me when you can fully explain your own posts.

So, NO you can't show me even ONE policy conservatives were on the correct side of history. Thanks

Slavery... Dems tried to keep blacks enslaved....


LOL.

True, those MAINLY conservatives of the South (today's GOP base) did do that. Good thing the PROGRESSIVES fought them right?

LOL, so when Dems are bad they are really Republicans LOLOLOLZOZLZOLZOZLZOLZZOLZOZLZZZZ! What's the ******* point of the debate when you use logic like that?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Oh, OK. Lying about Conservatives non-stop is OK, but posting pictures in response is verboten.

Fanfuckingtastic

 

[Votto]

REPORT: Five Things Unions Have Done For All Americans


1. Unions Gave Us The Weekend: Even the ultra-conservative Mises Institute notes that the relatively labor-free 1870, the average workweek for most Americans was 61 hours — almost double what most Americans work now. Yet in the late nineteenth century and the twentieth century, labor unions engaged in massive strikes in order to demand shorter workweeks so that Americans could be home with their loved ones instead of constantly toiling for their employers with no leisure time. By 1937, these labor actions created enough political momentum to pass the Fair Labor Standards Act, which helped create a federal framework for a shorter workweek that included room for leisure time.

2. Unions Gave Us Fair Wages And Relative Income Equality: As ThinkProgress reported earlier in the week, the relative decline of unions over the past 35 years has mirrored a decline in the middle class’s share of national income. It is also true that at the time when most Americans belonged to a union — a period of time between the 1940’s and 1950’s — income inequality in the U.S. was at its lowest point in the history of the country.

3. Unions Helped End Child Labor: “Union organizing and child labor reform were often intertwined” in U.S. history, with organization’s like the “National Consumers’ League” and the National Child Labor Committee” working together in the early 20th century to ban child labor. The very first American Federation of Labor (AFL) national convention passed “a resolution calling on states to ban children under 14 from all gainful employment” in 1881, and soon after states across the country adopted similar recommendations, leading up to the 1938 Fair Labor Standards Act which regulated child labor on the federal level for the first time.

4. Unions Won Widespread Employer-Based Health Coverage: “The rise of unions in the 1930’s and 1940’s led to the first great expansion of health care” for all Americans, as labor unions banded workers together to negotiate for health coverage plans from employers. In 1942, “the US set up a National War Labor Board. It had the power to set a cap on all wage increases. But it let employers circumvent the cap by offering “fringe benefits” – notably, health insurance.” By 1950, “half of all companies with fewer than 250 workers and two-thirds of all companies with more than 250 workers offered health insurance of one kind or another.”

5. Unions Spearheaded The Fight For The Family And Medical Leave Act: Labor unions like the AFL-CIO federation led the fight for this 1993 law, which “requires state agencies and private employers with more than 50 employees to provide up to 12 weeks of job-protected unpaid leave annually for workers to care for a newborn, newly adopted child, seriously ill family member or for the worker’s own illness.”

Unions also gave us Jimmy Hoffa and helped destroy GM. So what? Are we to forever defend unions based upon ancient history? You are beginning to sound horribly regressive. I'm currently part of a union that is essentially worthless. However, if you belong to the right kind of union that is politically connected, then you can get out of things like Obamacare.

 

[JakeStarkey]

When birfers voice an opinion on politics, you know it will be wrong.

 

[Votto]

Conservatives Can't Escape Blame for the Financial Crisis


The onset of the recent financial crisis in late 2007 created an intellectual crisis for conservatives, who had been touting for decades the benefits of a hands-off approach to financial market regulation. As the crisis quickly spiraled out of control, it quickly became apparent that the massive credit bubble of the mid-2000s, followed by the inevitable bust that culminated with the financial markets freeze in the fall of 2008, occurred predominantly among those parts of the financial system that were least regulated, or where regulations existed but were largely unenforced.

Predictably, many conservatives sought to blame the bogeymen they always blamed



In March of 2008, Sen. Jon Kyl (R-AZ) blamed loans “to the minorities, to the poor, to the young” as causing foreclosures. Not long after, conservative commentator Michele Malkin went so far as to claim that illegal immigration caused the crisis.

This tendency to shift blame to minorities and poor people for the financial crisis soon developed into a well-honed narrative on the right. Swiftly and repeatedly many conservatives blamed affordable housing policies—particularly the affordable housing goals in place for the two government sponsored mortgage finance giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and the 1977 Community Reinvestment Act that applies to regulated lenders such as banks and thrifts—for the massive financial crisis that occurred. This despite the fact that as recently as 2006 prominent conservatives, including FCIC Republican member and American Enterprise Institute Senior Fellow Peter Wallison, were arguing that Fannie and Freddie needed to do more lending to low-income communities and minorities.


Last week, the Republican minority on the congressionally created Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission continued this tradition of willful blindness, issuing their own self-described nine-page "primer" on the financial crisis—one that attempts to lay the blame once again on Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and the Community Reinvestment Act. The picture they paint is reflective of a mindset they displayed last week when all four Republican members tried to ban the phrases "Wall Street," "shadow banking," "interconnection," and "deregulation" from the final report.

These terms are important to understanding what happened in the 2000s. But equally damning is this—the minority members of the FCIC got their facts wrong, their time frames jumbled, and their selection of relevant facts skewed to reflect their libertarian biases.


Politics Most Blatant Center for American Progress

So who is to blame bright boy? Who did the Dims send to jail?

If someone is guilty, I presume Dims had the moral obligation to put them behind bars, especially since they held power after the 2008 elections

Oh, that's right, they needed corporate funding to win in 2008, my bad.

So what are Dims good for if anything? Whining perhaps?

 

[Votto]

Throughout ancient history, man has traditionally been a slave or lived under tyranny. This is achieved through collectivism. Man generates support from others and forms coalitions which produces armies and governments. Then man can extend his sphere of influence over larger and larger numbers of people.

First collectivists convinced us that he was a god, then when that no longer worked they convinced us that they spoke for God, then when that no longer worked, they convinced us that there is no God, thus making themselves the ultimate moral authority on everything.

So it seems to me that those who fight for individual freedom are the ones on the wrong side of history. They are the ones who get audited by the IRS and verbally abused worse than members of ISIS.

In the end, man demands a king. It is our nature.

 

[Dad2three]

10 things conservative Christians got horribly wrong

Evangelicals and their ilk have used God to justify everything from Prohibition and segregation to slavery

1) Slavery. Both sides of the American slavery debate claimed to be speaking from profound Christian conviction. The Bible clearly has a positive view of slavery, something pro-slavery Christians routinely pointed out. Abolitionists took a broader, less literal view of the Bible. Unsurprising that this divide led to the South being, to this day, home of the most people who take a literalist, fundamentalist view of Christianity.

2) Women’s suffrage. Unsurprisingly, conservative Christianity was hostile to women’s suffrage, just as it’s been hostile to women’s progress every step of the way. Women’s “God-given” roles were routinely referenced in arguments against giving women the right to vote

3) Evolution.

4) Pain relief for childbirth

5) Catholics. Modern American conservative Protestants embrace Catholics and have even started to borrow some Catholic arguments against things like abortion and contraception. But in the early 19th and 20th centuries, there was widespread anti-Catholic sentiment, much of it tied up in hostility to Catholic immigrants. There was even an anti-Catholic political party in the early 19th century.

6) Prohibition. Hostility to Catholic immigrants was a large part of the reason temperance mania took over many Protestant communities in the 19th and early 20th centuries. Despite the fact that Jesus was a wine drinker, abstinence from alcohol—and forcing abstinence on others by force of law—became a major Christian cause during this period, leading up to Prohibition. This was true, even though many in the temperance movement were also aligned with the suffragist cause, making Prohibition one of the few Christian follies that weighs as heavily on the progressive Christian tradition as it does the conservative one. Luckily, it took little more than a decade for the bigtime error that was banning alcohol to be fixed.


7) Segregation. Religious leaders like Martin Luther King Jr. led the desegregation movement, but it’s also important to note that the pro-segregation movement was also conceived as a Christian one. Arguments against “race mixing” were largely framed in religious terms....Christian right leader Jerry Falwell got his start fighting to uphold segregation, giving sermons about how integration was offensive to God


8) Contraception. From the beginning of the “birth control movement,” Christian conservatives fought to keep women from being able to have sex without getting pregnant.

9) School prayer. Along with supporting segregation and opposing feminism, the third issue that created the modern religious right is the issue of prayer in public schools. In 1961, the Supreme Court ruled against school-led prayers, even if they were supposedly voluntary. Instead of giving up a chance to use schools as a way to foist their beliefs on the unwilling, the religious right spent and continues to spend the next 50-plus years trying to find some way to sneak religious indoctrination/bullying of non-believers into public schools.


10) Marriage equality. The religious right is still fighting like it’s not obvious that they’re wrong on this one. The tide is shifting so fast it’s quickly becoming apparent that this issue, like segregation, is going to be one where they’ll be pretending they didn’t fight so hard for the side of wrong in a few decades.

10 things conservative Christians got horribly wrong - Salon.com

1. Slavery. The Bible clearly does NOT have a favorable image of slavery. God sent Moses to free his people of slavery idiot. Then Mosaic law did the unthinkable, it gave everyone a day of rest, something that in the ancient world was unheard of. Thanks to Mosaic law, you now are able to enjoy a weekend. Although slavery was allowed in Mosaic law, it was only as a means of survival, and after 7 years, they were to be set free. You are either being disingenuous or you don't know what you are talking about. I could care less who uses the Bible to prove a point. Hell, Dims do it today when it comes to helping the poor. They use Jesus when it is convenient, but God forbid conservatives use the Bible when it comes to topics like abortion.

2. Woman's Suffrage. Again, I could really care less how people used the Bible in the past. Clearly it has been abused and misrepresented. Even Hitler claimed to be a Christian. Interestingly, even Obama claims to be one. Shrug. The reality, however, is that Jesus challenged the views of women during his day. He spared the woman caught in slavery and included women in his ministry. In the Bible we see women are prophets, military leaders, and one actually saved the entire Jewish people, so people can just ignore it if they please. It's not like Christians forbid their women from driving or drag them to the public square to be beheaded like they do in Islam. Now let's sit back and watch how the left destroys someone like Sarah Palin. Does the left really give a damn about women or do they simply selectively target women with the wrong political views? Hypocrites.

3. Why did you not write anything about evolution? Do you not know that not all Christians disbelieve evolution? Did you not know that evolution and creationism are not necessarily mutually exclusive? Again, more BS. As for those that do, so what? People are stupid no matter what side of the political spectrum you are on. Bush won 2 elections and Obama won two elections. Neither side can understand how it happened. The only answer is that people are genuinely stupid.

I could go on but you seem to be running out of steam with the rest of your BS.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

10 things conservative Christians got horribly wrong

Evangelicals and their ilk have used God to justify everything from Prohibition and segregation to slavery

1) Slavery. Both sides of the American slavery debate claimed to be speaking from profound Christian conviction. The Bible clearly has a positive view of slavery, something pro-slavery Christians routinely pointed out. Abolitionists took a broader, less literal view of the Bible. Unsurprising that this divide led to the South being, to this day, home of the most people who take a literalist, fundamentalist view of Christianity.

2) Women’s suffrage. Unsurprisingly, conservative Christianity was hostile to women’s suffrage, just as it’s been hostile to women’s progress every step of the way. Women’s “God-given” roles were routinely referenced in arguments against giving women the right to vote

3) Evolution.

4) Pain relief for childbirth

5) Catholics. Modern American conservative Protestants embrace Catholics and have even started to borrow some Catholic arguments against things like abortion and contraception. But in the early 19th and 20th centuries, there was widespread anti-Catholic sentiment, much of it tied up in hostility to Catholic immigrants. There was even an anti-Catholic political party in the early 19th century.

6) Prohibition. Hostility to Catholic immigrants was a large part of the reason temperance mania took over many Protestant communities in the 19th and early 20th centuries. Despite the fact that Jesus was a wine drinker, abstinence from alcohol—and forcing abstinence on others by force of law—became a major Christian cause during this period, leading up to Prohibition. This was true, even though many in the temperance movement were also aligned with the suffragist cause, making Prohibition one of the few Christian follies that weighs as heavily on the progressive Christian tradition as it does the conservative one. Luckily, it took little more than a decade for the bigtime error that was banning alcohol to be fixed.


7) Segregation. Religious leaders like Martin Luther King Jr. led the desegregation movement, but it’s also important to note that the pro-segregation movement was also conceived as a Christian one. Arguments against “race mixing” were largely framed in religious terms....Christian right leader Jerry Falwell got his start fighting to uphold segregation, giving sermons about how integration was offensive to God


8) Contraception. From the beginning of the “birth control movement,” Christian conservatives fought to keep women from being able to have sex without getting pregnant.

9) School prayer. Along with supporting segregation and opposing feminism, the third issue that created the modern religious right is the issue of prayer in public schools. In 1961, the Supreme Court ruled against school-led prayers, even if they were supposedly voluntary. Instead of giving up a chance to use schools as a way to foist their beliefs on the unwilling, the religious right spent and continues to spend the next 50-plus years trying to find some way to sneak religious indoctrination/bullying of non-believers into public schools.


10) Marriage equality. The religious right is still fighting like it’s not obvious that they’re wrong on this one. The tide is shifting so fast it’s quickly becoming apparent that this issue, like segregation, is going to be one where they’ll be pretending they didn’t fight so hard for the side of wrong in a few decades.

10 things conservative Christians got horribly wrong - Salon.com

1. Slavery. The Bible clearly does NOT have a favorable image of slavery. God sent Moses to free his people of slavery idiot. Then Mosaic law did the unthinkable, it gave everyone a day of rest, something that in the ancient world was unheard of. Thanks to Mosaic law, you now are able to enjoy a weekend. Although slavery was allowed in Mosaic law, it was only as a means of survival, and after 7 years, they were to be set free. You are either being disingenuous or you don't know what you are talking about. I could care less who uses the Bible to prove a point. Hell, Dims do it today when it comes to helping the poor. They use Jesus when it is convenient, but God forbid conservatives use the Bible when it comes to topics like abortion.

2. Woman's Suffrage. Again, I could really care less how people used the Bible in the past. Clearly it has been abused and misrepresented. Even Hitler claimed to be a Christian. Interestingly, even Obama claims to be one. Shrug. The reality, however, is that Jesus challenged the views of women during his day. He spared the woman caught in slavery and included women in his ministry. In the Bible we see women are prophets, military leaders, and one actually saved the entire Jewish people, so people can just ignore it if they please. It's not like Christians forbid their women from driving or drag them to the public square to be beheaded like they do in Islam. Now let's sit back and watch how the left destroys someone like Sarah Palin. Does the left really give a damn about women or do they simply selectively target women with the wrong political views? Hypocrites.

3. Why did you not write anything about evolution? Do you not know that not all Christians disbelieve evolution? Did you not know that evolution and creationism are not necessarily mutually exclusive? Again, more BS. As for those that do, so what? People are stupid no matter what side of the political spectrum you are on. Bush won 2 elections and Obama won two elections. Neither side can understand how it happened. The only answer is that people are genuinely stupid.

I could go on but you seem to be running out of steam with the rest of your BS.

Did we give up the "Don't post stupid posters" rule already?

 

[Dad2three]

If you equate the GOP with conservatism, then you have some points. However, I in no way see clowns like Bush a conservative.

How is it conservative to spend like a drunken sailor? How is it conservative to enact massive entitlements? How is it conservative to wage wars across the globe? How is it conservative to ignore illegal immigration? How is it conservative to bail out massive corporations?

Bush sound more like Obama than a conservative, don't you think?

Now his brother Jeb wants to continue the Progressive leadership by telling the world how to spread our love for illegals coming across the border. He will then use Common Core to teach children just how Constitutional it all is.

Sure, The Shrub and GOP weren't acting like conservatives, lol

 

[Dad2three]

SIMPLY GIVE ONE POLICY CONSERVATIVES HAVE BEEN ON THE CORRECT SIDE OF HISTORY ON? Just one PLEASE?

You do understand that simply because you disagree with a policy does not put it on the wrong side of history.

Get back to Me when you can fully explain your own posts.

So, NO you can't show me even ONE policy conservatives were on the correct side of history. Thanks

Slavery... Dems tried to keep blacks enslaved....


LOL.

True, those MAINLY conservatives of the South (today's GOP base) did do that. Good thing the PROGRESSIVES fought them right?

LOL, so when Dems are bad they are really Republicans LOLOLOLZOZLZOLZOZLZOLZZOLZOZLZZZZ! What's the ******* point of the debate when you use logic like that?

Yeah Bubba, RECOGNIZING the Dems/GOP have switched several times since that PROGRESSIVE Abe's GOP party used BIG GOV'T AND created income taxes was a conservative position right?

Use logic AND honesty Bubba.

 

[Dad2three]

Oh, OK. Lying about Conservatives non-stop is OK, but posting pictures in response is verboten.

Fanfuckingtastic

You mean when dickheads want to flood someones thread to stop the FACTS from coming out? YES

 

[CrusaderFrank]

When birfers voice an opinion on politics, you know it will be wrong.

Was Obama himself the first birther?

 

[Dad2three]

REPORT: Five Things Unions Have Done For All Americans


1. Unions Gave Us The Weekend: Even the ultra-conservative Mises Institute notes that the relatively labor-free 1870, the average workweek for most Americans was 61 hours — almost double what most Americans work now. Yet in the late nineteenth century and the twentieth century, labor unions engaged in massive strikes in order to demand shorter workweeks so that Americans could be home with their loved ones instead of constantly toiling for their employers with no leisure time. By 1937, these labor actions created enough political momentum to pass the Fair Labor Standards Act, which helped create a federal framework for a shorter workweek that included room for leisure time.

2. Unions Gave Us Fair Wages And Relative Income Equality: As ThinkProgress reported earlier in the week, the relative decline of unions over the past 35 years has mirrored a decline in the middle class’s share of national income. It is also true that at the time when most Americans belonged to a union — a period of time between the 1940’s and 1950’s — income inequality in the U.S. was at its lowest point in the history of the country.

3. Unions Helped End Child Labor: “Union organizing and child labor reform were often intertwined” in U.S. history, with organization’s like the “National Consumers’ League” and the National Child Labor Committee” working together in the early 20th century to ban child labor. The very first American Federation of Labor (AFL) national convention passed “a resolution calling on states to ban children under 14 from all gainful employment” in 1881, and soon after states across the country adopted similar recommendations, leading up to the 1938 Fair Labor Standards Act which regulated child labor on the federal level for the first time.

4. Unions Won Widespread Employer-Based Health Coverage: “The rise of unions in the 1930’s and 1940’s led to the first great expansion of health care” for all Americans, as labor unions banded workers together to negotiate for health coverage plans from employers. In 1942, “the US set up a National War Labor Board. It had the power to set a cap on all wage increases. But it let employers circumvent the cap by offering “fringe benefits” – notably, health insurance.” By 1950, “half of all companies with fewer than 250 workers and two-thirds of all companies with more than 250 workers offered health insurance of one kind or another.”

5. Unions Spearheaded The Fight For The Family And Medical Leave Act: Labor unions like the AFL-CIO federation led the fight for this 1993 law, which “requires state agencies and private employers with more than 50 employees to provide up to 12 weeks of job-protected unpaid leave annually for workers to care for a newborn, newly adopted child, seriously ill family member or for the worker’s own illness.”

Unions also gave us Jimmy Hoffa and helped destroy GM. So what? Are we to forever defend unions based upon ancient history? You are beginning to sound horribly regressive. I'm currently part of a union that is essentially worthless. However, if you belong to the right kind of union that is politically connected, then you can get out of things like Obamacare.

Thanks for agreeing the fine things unions have done for US. And I think you are confusing unions destroying GM (all the auto comps) and Corp management looking for hort term profits ahead of long term Corp reversibility


Hoffa? Oh right I forgot Nixon and then Reagan's most corrupt admin the GOP gave US