Why Alvin and not the Feds? Or, why Cohen and not Individual 1?

[berg80]

No
The essence of the thread, in totality, is how Democrats, knowing that their candidate has been, and will continue to be an abject failure will use literally any interpretation of the law to try to disable the campaign of the man that they see that they cannot beat in an actual election.

Did you know your DJT stock is down another 13% today........rube?

 

[elektra]

For example, an employee charges sexual harassment against a supervisor during work hours or at a business related event. The business decide to deal with the case with a payout and NDA. In such instances there is a relationship between the business environment and the conduct necessitating the NDA/Settlement.

NDAs for sexual harassment or sexual aren't deductible anymore. They used to be.

NDAs for other reasons are still tax deductible.

Stormy Daniels was not an employee of Trump's, so no sexual harassment.

 

[WorldWatcher]

While your prejudice against President Trump is overwhelming you, it is underwhelming me.
The timing is not suspicious at all.
The best timing for the extortion was exactly when the extortion happened.

Expect Daniels didn't attempt to extort anyone.

She contacted her attorney, the attorney was shopping the story about to various media outlets. The intent was to make money from the media.

The campaign found out (through David Pecker), contacted the campaign, and the campaign contacted her.

WW

 

[elektra]

FALSIFYING BUSINESS RECORDS IN THE FIRST DEGREE, in violation of Penal Law §175.10

Is the charge? What business? Was the business real estate? The reality show, Apprentice. Which business was the alleged crime committed for?

34 charges? Do we get to see the evidence for each charge? Has anybody seen the evidence.

Unless these questions are answered, everyone is just posting unrelated gossip.

 

[struth]

Trump is not being charged with paying hush money....he's charged with the illegal cover up.

He's charged with business fraud... And with breaking campaign finance laws....

he is not charged with violating any campaign fin laws, the only person and group that were found to have violated federal campaign fin laws were Clinton and the DNC in 2016.

 

[Billiejeens]

From what I've read Trump is going to deny involvement in the key conversations about hush money payments made through Cohen. And then likely claim he had no knowledge of the biz docs being falsified. Not that there was no crime committed........nitwit.

Dear Cultist -

Cohen pleaded guilty to a crime that wasn't a crime, that involved Trump in a failed attempt to gain favor
with the court - It failed.

Again, at one time there may, at most have been a corporate bookkeeping error.

You should read information that doesn't come just from your Cult.
You know to be well rounded, and all.

 

[Billiejeens]

Did you know your DJT stock is down another 13% today........rube?

What are your losses?

 

[WorldWatcher]

he is not charged with violating any campaign fin laws,

Correct, he's charged with felonious falsification of business records.

the only person and group that were found to have violated federal campaign fin laws were Clinton and the DNC in 2016.

False. Two words: Michael Cohen.

Charged and convicted.

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[Billiejeens]

Expect Daniels didn't attempt to extort anyone.

She contacted her attorney, the attorney was shopping the story about to various media outlets. The intent was to make money from the media.

The campaign found out (through David Pecker), contacted the campaign, and the campaign contacted her.

WW

Are you really that naive and stupid?

 

[Billiejeens]

Correct, he's charged with felonious falsification of business records.



False. Two words: Michael Cohen.

Charged and convicted.

WW

Nope

 

[Billiejeens]

District Attorney Alvin Bragg took a "dead misdemeanor" and attached it to a "dead alleged felony" and "zapped it back into life."

One problem is that the dead alleged felony was already deemed not a crime by the actual lawyers with standing.

 

[berg80]

Melania apparently enjoys some Kool-Aid from time to time.

In January 2018, when she first saw reports that her husband had paid off a porn star, Melania Trump was furious. She jetted off to Palm Beach, leaving the president to languish in Washington. She eventually returned, only to take a separate car to Donald J. Trump’s first State of the Union address.

As a criminal trial against Mr. Trump opened on Monday, on charges that he had falsified records to cover up that sex scandal involving Stormy Daniels, Mrs. Trump did not appear. She has long privately referred to the case involving Ms. Daniels as “his problem” and not hers.

But Mrs. Trump, the former first lady, shares his view that the trial itself is unfair, according to several people familiar with her thinking.

In private, she has called the proceedings “a disgrace” tantamount to election interference, according to a person with direct knowledge of her comments who could not speak publicly out of fear of jeopardizing a personal relationship with the Trumps.

Melania Trump Avoids the Courtroom, but Is Said to Share Her Husband’s Anger

Melania Trump has long referred to the hush-money case involving Stormy Daniels as her husband’s problem, not hers. But she has privately called the trial a “disgrace” that could threaten his campaign.

www.nytimes.com

 

[berg80]

District Attorney Alvin Bragg took a "dead misdemeanor" and attached it to a "dead alleged felony" and "zapped it back into life."

One problem is that the dead alleged felony was already deemed not a crime by the actual lawyers with standing.

How soon they forget.

Inside Barr’s Effort to Undermine Prosecutors in N.Y.

Shortly after he became attorney general last year, William P. Barr set out to challenge a signature criminal case that touched President Trump’s inner circle directly, and even the president’s own actions: the prosecution of Michael D. Cohen, Mr. Trump’s longtime fixer.

The debate between Mr. Barr and the federal prosecutors who brought the case against Mr. Cohen was one of the first signs of a tense relationship that culminated last weekend in the abrupt ouster of Geoffrey S. Berman, the United States attorney in Manhattan. It also foreshadowed Mr. Barr’s intervention in the prosecutions of other associates of Mr. Trump.

By the time Mr. Barr was sworn into office in February, Mr. Cohen, who had paid hush money to an adult film star who said she had an affair with Mr. Trump, had already pleaded guilty and was set to begin a three-year prison sentence, all of which embarrassed and angered the president.

But Mr. Barr spent weeks in the spring of 2019 questioning the prosecutors over their decision to charge Mr. Cohen with violating campaign finance laws, according to people briefed on the matter.
Inside Barr’s Effort to Undermine Prosecutors in N.Y. (Published 2020)

Eventually, Billy the Bagman pushed to have the charges against Cohen dropped. From Berman's book..........."While Cohen had pleaded guilty, our office continued to pursue investigations related to other possible campaign finance violations. When Barr took over in Feb. of 2019, he not only tried to kill the ongoing investigations but...incredibly...suggested that Cohen's conviction on campaign finance charges be reversed."

Why?

Because Individual 1 was implicated in the same illegal campaign finance violations Cohen had plead guilty to.

Book: The DOJ almost implicated Trump more directly in a crime

It was a shocking enough document as it was. Donald Trump’s former lawyer, Michael Cohen, had pleaded guilty to illegally concealing hush money paid to two women who were accusing Trump of extramarital affairs. The 2018 charging document implicated Trump, named as “Individual-1,” notably by saying he attended a meeting about how he might quash any negative stories about his relationships.

And it might have implicated Trump even further, then-U.S. Attorney Geoffrey Berman now says — were it not for the kind of politically tinged meddling that he says was endemic in the Trump Justice Department.

The New York Times last week briefly noted that Berman’s new book alleges that a Justice Department official tried to get references to Trump removed from the Cohen charging document. And now that the book is out, we have Berman’s fuller account of the events.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...-almost-implicated-trump-more-directly-crime/

Your brain is like a sieve.

 

[Billiejeens]

But Mrs. Trump, the former first lady, shares his view that the trial itself is unfair, according to several people familiar with her thinking


Literally everyone not within your echo chamber thinks that.
The more that you do this, that more the support for President Trump grows.

 

[struth]

Correct, he's charged with felonious falsification of business records.



False. Two words: Michael Cohen.

Charged and convicted.

WW

Sorry i met running for office

 

[Billiejeens]

How soon they forget.

Inside Barr’s Effort to Undermine Prosecutors in N.Y.

Shortly after he became attorney general last year, William P. Barr set out to challenge a signature criminal case that touched President Trump’s inner circle directly, and even the president’s own actions: the prosecution of Michael D. Cohen, Mr. Trump’s longtime fixer.

The debate between Mr. Barr and the federal prosecutors who brought the case against Mr. Cohen was one of the first signs of a tense relationship that culminated last weekend in the abrupt ouster of Geoffrey S. Berman, the United States attorney in Manhattan. It also foreshadowed Mr. Barr’s intervention in the prosecutions of other associates of Mr. Trump.

By the time Mr. Barr was sworn into office in February, Mr. Cohen, who had paid hush money to an adult film star who said she had an affair with Mr. Trump, had already pleaded guilty and was set to begin a three-year prison sentence, all of which embarrassed and angered the president.

But Mr. Barr spent weeks in the spring of 2019 questioning the prosecutors over their decision to charge Mr. Cohen with violating campaign finance laws, according to people briefed on the matter.
Inside Barr’s Effort to Undermine Prosecutors in N.Y. (Published 2020)

Eventually, Billy the Bagman pushed to have the charges against Cohen dropped. From Berman's book..........."While Cohen had pleaded guilty, our office continued to pursue investigations related to other possible campaign finance violations. When Barr took over in Feb. of 2019, he not only tried to kill the ongoing investigations but...incredibly...suggested that Cohen's conviction on campaign finance charges be reversed."

Why?

Because Individual 1 was implicated in the same illegal campaign finance violations Cohen had plead guilty to.

Book: The DOJ almost implicated Trump more directly in a crime

It was a shocking enough document as it was. Donald Trump’s former lawyer, Michael Cohen, had pleaded guilty to illegally concealing hush money paid to two women who were accusing Trump of extramarital affairs. The 2018 charging document implicated Trump, named as “Individual-1,” notably by saying he attended a meeting about how he might quash any negative stories about his relationships.

And it might have implicated Trump even further, then-U.S. Attorney Geoffrey Berman now says — were it not for the kind of politically tinged meddling that he says was endemic in the Trump Justice Department.

The New York Times last week briefly noted that Berman’s new book alleges that a Justice Department official tried to get references to Trump removed from the Cohen charging document. And now that the book is out, we have Berman’s fuller account of the events.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...-almost-implicated-trump-more-directly-crime/

Your brain is like a sieve.

Even Brag wasn't going to bring these charges until President Trump ran for reelection.

All of these trials are the clearest cases of election interference the country has ever seen.

 

[Billiejeens]

This state misdemeanor died because of the statute of limitations. Then what Bragg said was, well, I'm going to allege that you did false filings on business records to hide a crime, but he was very ambiguous [on] what that crime might be. He still is ambiguous, but it is assumed to be a federal election crime. The problem is the federal government doesn't view it as a crime.

 

[WorldWatcher]

This state misdemeanor died because of the statute of limitations. Then what Bragg said was, well, I'm going to allege that you did false filings on business records to hide a crime, but he was very ambiguous [on] what that crime might be. He still is ambiguous, but it is assumed to be a federal election crime. The problem is the federal government doesn't view it as a crime.

There is no requirement that FPOTUS#45 have had to commit the other crime that was the subject of being hidden or aided in.

The other crime is obvious for anyone that can read a witness list is at least Cohen's federal campaign contribution crimes.

Yes, the federal government viewed Cohen's actions as a crime, they convicted him of it.

WW

 

[Billiejeens]

There is no requirement that FPOTUS#45 have had to commit the other crime that was the subject of being hidden or aided in.

The other crime is obvious for anyone that can read a witness list is at least Cohen's federal campaign contribution crimes.

Yes, the federal government viewed Cohen's actions as a crime, they convicted him of it.

WW

You really should not be practicing law on the internet.

The statute of limitations ran out on the misdemeanor.
(you don't like that, I get it)
So there had to be another crime to piggyback on.

 

[WorldWatcher]

You really should not be practicing law on the internet.

The statute of limitations ran out on the misdemeanor.
(you don't like that, I get it)
So there had to be another crime to piggyback on.

You really should not be practicing law on the internet.

The statute of limitations didn't run out on felonies.

(You don't like that, I get it)

Soon the case will be before a jury.

(I get you don't like that either.)

WW